Mcinnes Or Robins

[havanatopia]

Since the 'Who Next' Poll has McInnes as the leader and Robins a very distant also ran let's see if that vote is consistent with this one.

These are the last two by Monday, let us say, so who would you rather have.

if the Who Next poll is accurate there should also be a clear winner here by some margin.

Edited October 7, 2011 by havanatopia

[havanatopia]

Based purely on the two I've gone for McInnes. I'll be extremely disappointed if we end up with him, but I'll be borderline bitter if we end up with Robins

Thats OK Matt, i have put just the two for the reasons given; McInnes leads the main poll and Robins is being talked about a lot. So I think the poll has relevance.

[Alex_BCFC]

Wouldn't mind either but first choice out of those two would be McInnes.

SOD no.1 outside them.

[havanatopia]

Jones?

like I said Pete, I wanted to define it down to these 2 for reasons stated. McInnes might be your second choice or Robins might be.. after Jones, for example, so the end result will be who we would rather have of these two.

[Guest Cobby the red]

It will be none of them and you all no it

[havanatopia]

It will be none of them and you all no it

i notice you and Grandad did not vote for Robins as first choice on the main poll. Who did you guys vote for?

its interesting because Robins might be more people's 2nd choice than McInnes for example. Early doors though.

I have no idea who it will be other than the top 6

[Bcfc3660]

Just a bit of fun on a forum. The result of this has no bearing on who the club will appoint

[Guest stillbelieving]

Mcinnes for me, done well were he is,

[Br1stolCityBoy]

Pointless it's not a two horse race, besides I hate these stupid poles, just get on with your lives there are surely more important things to worry about

I agree. You need to put all the front runners in the hat, or its not a demacratic poll... Ridiculous!!

[Br1stolCityBoy]

I agree. You need to put all the front runners in the hat, or its not a demacratic poll... Ridiculous!!

In fact can someone get this poll deleted. We don't want the board thinking these are the only 2 managers we are worried about!!

[Red-Robbo]

Do we really know enough about either candidate to vote?

McInnes - having great success in Scotland this season, but we are only talking Scotland here and he's an inexperienced manager.

Robins - rescued Barnsley and Rotherham, but hardly scaled the tabble with the former. What he could do at a better resourced club remains to be seen?

Two imponderables IMO.

[Red Robin]

Jeez neither let have a proven championship manager.

[havanatopia]

Do we really know enough about either candidate to vote?

McInnes - having great success in Scotland this season, but we are only talking Scotland here and he's an inexperienced manager.

Robins - rescued Barnsley and Rotherham, but hardly scaled the tabble with the former. What he could do at a better resourced club remains to be seen?

Two imponderables IMO.

Yeah well, thats kinda why i did the other poll as well. you could always put another poll up and include the main candidates but thats kinda covered with the main poll.

Anyway the silent majority seem to have this contest in the bag.

Edited October 7, 2011 by havanatopia

[BCAGFC]

Jeez neither let have a proven championship manager.

Steve Coppell. :facepalm:

BCAGFC

[Alex_BCFC]

Jeez neither let have a proven championship manager.

Two seasons at this level finishing solidly with a small budget isn't proven?

[bcfcmike]

Two seasons at this level finishing solidly with a small budget isn't proven?

I think you better go and read the thread from Barnsley Tyke??

[bcfcmike]

Wheres the box for NONE of them??

[havanatopia]

Wheres the box for NONE of them??

I got a job for you... give it until the end of the weekend.. then add up all the votes on the main poll and then subtract all the votes on this poll... you can reasonably assume the number you are left with is the 'none of' vote number. simples.

[bcfcmike]

I got a job for you... give it until the end of the weekend.. then add up all the votes on the main poll and then subtract all the votes on this poll... you can reasonably assume the number you are left with is the 'none of' vote number. simples.

Ahh you know as well as i do though it dont bleeding work like that does it ??

[bcfcmike]

I honestly would not want either of them?? However if i was to answer the question at the top of the page then it would def have to be Robins.

Ok he didnt do much at Barnsley but he got by just.......but this other bloke i'd never heard of him until he got mentioned on here, ok he got St Johnstone too 5th place in the SPL which is League 1 / 2 equilvent in english football, come on t lets face it None of those teams in that league apart from maybe Rangers and Celtic would last a season in the Championship imo. Also go on there website and look at the results this season and last.....they are very hit and miss guys......we could easily catch a cold with this one???

[westex red]

None of them for me!

[Guest ateyomike]

think robins way of playing his teams reminds me very much of danny wilson dont know if ytou think that is good or bad

[Alex_BCFC]

I think you better go and read the thread from Barnsley Tyke??

I've read it. He rates Danny Haynes so I don't read too much into it.

[bcfcmike]

I've read it. He rates Danny Haynes so I don't read too much into it.

Barnsley Tyke Quote on Haynes..... "Haynes is doing ok a guess, Transfer stories got to his head but been on Bench last 2 games"

If thats what you call rating a player by your standards then we are truly in the Sh*t then if what he says about Robins is true?? If he got the job of course??

[Alex_BCFC]

Barnsley Tyke Quote on Haynes..... "Haynes is doing ok a guess, Transfer stories got to his head but been on Bench last 2 games"

If thats what you call rating a player by your standards then we are truly in the Sh*t then if what he says about Robins is true?? If he got the job of course??

He did rate him when he was playing...

If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both.

[havanatopia]

He did rate him when he was playing...

If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both.

Absolutely, a 'reasonable' job. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[bcfcmike]

He did rate him when he was playing...

If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both.

Thats just it i dont take 1 persons view, but my point was BT was saying that when haynes first went there totally looked the business then after a period of time started fading away and looking non interested......Does that sound familer to you??? Because it certainly does to me, it sounds like BT has got Haynes spot on. So in my eyes his views are credible and always seem fair and unbiased.

Ok look at Robins Record did ok at Rotherham albiet at League 1 (totally different from the championship which i im sure even you will agree with ??) But at Barnsley i wouldnt say he did a good job just got them by i would say, we even beat them 5-2 when we were in one of our worst spells for years......so for me Thanks but no thanks.

But like i have already said if it was out of him and the Jock then id have to pick Robins.

Edited October 7, 2011 by bcfcmike

[bcfcmike]

So you would rather have mark robins than dave jones i've seen you've taken a dis-like to him on other threads) Laughable.

Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year

[Alex_BCFC]

So you would rather have mark robins than dave jones i've seen you've taken a dis-like to him on other threads) Laughable.

Why is it laughable?

I don't rate Dave Jones because he failed so badly at Cardiff with such a good squad available. I think that is a fair point.

I can't remember him being in many relegation scraps in this league - Robins has- which is what we need right now. In the Prem DJ got Wolves relegated in 20th place I think- not really his fault but doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

[Alex_BCFC]

Thats just it i dont take 1 persons view, but my point was BT was saying that when haynes first went there totally looked the business then after a period of time started fading away and looking non interested......Does that sound familer to you??? Because it certainly does to me, it sounds like BT has got Haynes spot on. So in my eyes his views are credible and always seem fair and unbiased.

Ok look at Robins Record did ok at Rotherham albiet at League 1 (totally different from the championship which i im sure even you will agree with ??) But at Barnsley i wouldnt say he did a good job just got them by i would say, we even beat them 5-2 when we were in one of our worst spells for years......so for me Thanks but no thanks.

But like i have already said if it was out of him and the Jock then id have to pick Robins.

That is fair on Haynes.

I wouldn't call League 1 totally different because many managers have gone on to do well in this league after being promoted or doing well in League 1.

I've already said I would pick McIness over Robins.

[Alex_BCFC]

Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year

Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level.

[bcfcmike]

Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level.

No Agreed....but we bl**dy could be if we appoint the right man?? Rather than someone thats going to do a simular Job to Keith and just have us struggling through for the next 2 or 3 years depending how long a contract we give them...

[Alex_BCFC]

No Agreed....but we bl**dy could be if we appoint the right man?? Rather than someone thats going to do a simular Job to Keith and just have us struggling through for the next 2 or 3 years depending how long a contract we give them...

I totally agree. Yet we differ on who is the right man or the right kind of mananger...

Just different ways of seeing it I guess.

Edited October 7, 2011 by Alex_BCFC

[bcfcmike]

I totally agree. Yet we differ on who is the right man or the right kind of mananger...

Just different ways of seeing it I guess.

All i want mate (same as you im sure) is the best for BCFC and i think that would be one of the boys that have been there and been a success of some degree at this level.....but if one of the others are appointed then GOD dont i ever hope im proven wrong they would still get my support until as with Keith come the end i could just not see any light at the end of the tunnel.

[myol'man]

None of the above X

[Superjack]

Pointless it's not a two horse race, besides I hate these stupid poles, just get on with your lives there are surely more important things to worry about

I quite like the Polish actually...

[havanatopia]

Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level.

The thing is though Alex, while i respect your view on Robins, you cannot cut and slice it when it comes to choosing a manager; one for relegation battles and one for play off fights. To choose a manager is to find someone who can do both and, so by definition, for the long term prospects of the club. You are arguing we should take Robins based on his dogfight attributes and nothing else with the hope we might do alright after that. Again, by definition therefore, you are advocating a short term and more expensive solution down the road.

I think that is the wrong way to look at it. If you can come up with a better argument it might receive a better hearing.

Edited October 8, 2011 by havanatopia

[boadle]

Not a very objective way of framing a 'vote'! Imagine if you went into an election and the form said 'Please tick the box next to the party you want to win (bearing in my it's very likely the Tories will win)'!

[havanatopia]

Not a very objective way of framing a 'vote'! Imagine if you went into an election and the form said 'Please tick the box next to the party you want to win (bearing in my it's very likely the Tories will win)'!

based on the fact McInnes is the favourite in the main poll and Robins is/has been favourite amongst the bookies i think it has absolute relevance.

You are, I am sure, far too intelligent to be distracted by the nuance of the question; and anyway i see no ambiguity there at all. it is pretty clear what the objective of the poll is. Vote yes, vote no or abstain. simple really.

[Guest 18MILLER84]

As a Millers fan (and i have added anew post) think you are mad to be so against Robins, he did an excellent job for us, and looking from afar at the in-bred dingles he didn't do a bad job there either, and by sounds of it if the club had of backed him they would of pushed on again so don't be so quick to dismiss him IMO

[Guest Macca Matt]

Not sure why everyone is attacking this post?? The question was merely IF these 2 were the last candidates, which would you rather? Purely hypothetical but COULD happen so why not see who people prefer between these 2? You don't have to vote! Any comments about other managers I'm sure will appear in the countless other threads!

[SimplyRed]

Neither...

[Alex_BCFC]

The thing is though Alex, while i respect your view on Robins, you cannot cut and slice it when it comes to choosing a manager; one for relegation battles and one for play off fights. To choose a manager is to find someone who can do both and, so by definition, for the long term prospects of the club. You are arguing we should take Robins based on his dogfight attributes and nothing else with the hope we might do alright after that. Again, by definition therefore, you are advocating a short term and more expensive solution down the road.

I think that is the wrong way to look at it. If you can come up with a better argument it might receive a better hearing.

I think you get me wrong over that. Not only do I think he can get us out of a mess and steady the ship, he has shown at Rotherham how he can push sides on.

[havanatopia]

I think you get me wrong over that. Not only do I think he can get us out of a mess and steady the ship, he has shown at Rotherham how he can push sides on.

OK fair enough but that is not how i read your remarks, in general, earlier in this thread.

[Red_Mat]

I find it really strange that Mark Robins is getting such a hard time on here, and I do wonder if those voting for McInnes are doing so because of what he could - rather than what he actually is.

Firstly, Robins has the pedigree as a player having come through at Man Utd under SAF and playing at the top level for some good footballing teams (Norwich and Leicester), he's also played abroad briefly, too.

As a manager he's taken on two clubs who

were really struggling within their division, so was given little opportunity to spend money or get them playing attractive football immediately. But has helped both clubs survive, and in the case of Rotherham, as one of their fans on here has suggested, got them playing good football.

He's certainly an authority figure, and would command respect from the players given his own successful career. Players would respect that - and he might even be able to help our strikers score...

He has also history with us; despite a very short time here as a player, there was disappointment when he had to return to Rotherham, and a sense that Robins fitted in with the robins. Maybe now would be a good opportunity for him to achieve something with us?

As for Derek McInnes, he's very much an unknown quantity as a manager. Very few of us know much about him, but we're hoping he could be the same quality and of the same type that typifies so many of the recent Scottish managers

[Red_Mat]

I find it really strange that Mark Robins is getting such a hard time on here, and I do wonder if those voting for McInnes are doing so because of what he could - rather than what he actually is.

Firstly, Robins has the pedigree as a player having come through at Man Utd under SAF and playing at the top level for some good footballing teams (Norwich and Leicester), he's also played abroad briefly, too.

As a manager he's taken on two clubs who

were really struggling within their division, so was given little opportunity to spend money or get them playing attractive football immediately. But has helped both clubs survive, and in the case of Rotherham, as one of their fans on here has suggested, got them playing good football.

He's certainly an authority figure, and would command respect from the players given his own successful career. Players would respect that - and he might even be able to help our strikers score...

He has also history with us; despite a very short time here as a player, there was disappointment when he had to return to Rotherham, and a sense that Robins fitted in with the robins. Maybe now would be a good opportunity for him to achieve something with us?

As for Derek McInnes, he's very much an

unknown quantity as a manager. Very few of us know much about him, but we're hoping he could be the same quality and of the same type that typifies so many of the recent Scottish managers (Lambert, Coyle, Moyes, Irvine, etc).

There's also a sense that he's seen as a bright, young manager - an exciting new talent. But Robins is only two years older. And has as much managerial experience, and probably at a higher level than McInnes who's only managed in Scotland, which isn't as a good a quality as the Championship.

I think either would probably be a good choice, but also probably a risk - but I think Robins history and experience would probably make him less of a risk than McInnes.

Having said all that, I think Dave Jones would be a better all-round choice!

[Brizzle Jordan]

If it's one of them i certainley wont be complaining. Young, ambitious and talented fits the bill.

[havanatopia]

93.5% for McInnes

6.5% for Robins.

Can the board ignore this IF Robins is STILL on their radar?

I cannot remember such an emphatic thumbs down for a single candidate as this.

[havanatopia]

lets see if those percentages in my last post above stay consistent or are more emphatic on the new poll.

[Tomo]

http://en.wikipedia....anagerial_stats

http://en.wikipedia....nagerial_career

http://en.wikipedia....nagerial_career

http://en.wikipedia....27Neill#Manager

[WhistleHappy]

Odds are we'll need a New City Manager Song:

WHEN THE 'NICE' MARK ROBINS IS SENT BOB BOBBIN' ALONG, ALONG

S.O.D.ing OFF WITH THE JONES'S, & THE COTTS & THE ZOLAS ....THEY'LL ALL BE GONE!!

SO WAKE UP, WAKE UP NEXT WEEK YOU REDS

WE'LL ALL - BE AS HAPPY AS F *** SHITHEADS

WHEN WE'VE SIGNED DEL McINNES INSTEAD

& WE'LL BE - SO - F **** G - HAPPY!

YEAH, WHEN THE RED RED ROBIN IS BOB BOB BOBBIN' ALONG, ALONG

& WE'LL ALL SING AGAIN - ITS GREAT AT THE GATE AGAIN

... WE'LL BE SINGING THIS SONG...

'WHEN THE RED RED ROBIN GOES BOB BOB BOBBIN' ALONG' !!!

Hmm, trust me to go making a song & dance about it.

Using the medium of song I predicted this scenario last Saturday in the 'odds' thread...

So when Robins has finally been sent bob bobbin along -we'll all be so happy that Del-Boys our new boss !!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year

is that the same Dave Jones whose last signing for Cardiff was Jon Parkin?.

[GrahamC]

It appears highly likely to be McInnes but if for any reason (like he interviews better) it turns out to be Robins, I hope he's given the same chance and support by the supporters.

I don't accept this "cheap option" stuff as we're clearly prepared to pay compensation or we wouldn't be interviewing DMc at all.

Let's hope the best candidate is chosen........

[NOTR]

Swedish king Gustav Vasa (1496-1560) only appointed people with documented luck

Could be something in that Tommy,everyone needs luck.

[Guest BlueSaintee]

It appears highly likely to be McInnes but if for any reason (like he interviews better) it turns out to be Robins, I hope he's given the same chance and support by the supporters.

I don't accept this "cheap option" stuff as we're clearly prepared to pay compensation or we wouldn't be interviewing DMc at all.

Let's hope the best candidate is chosen........

........................and lets us pray it is not our boy you take and ruin.

[22A]

On BBC radio P'boro' Darren Fergusson statd if City beat Posh, than Steve W would fancy his chances of becoming next Manager!

[havanatopia]

On BBC radio P'boro' Darren Fergusson statd if City beat Posh, than Steve W would fancy his chances of becoming next Manager!

Thankfully then He does not fancy his chances.

I am sure he works hard and all that but he has a certain lack of charisma that Millen had; on reflection, can you envisage those two on the training pitch and in the changing room? Good at what they do in terms of method, we assume or how else do you get appointed, but just not inspiring in virtually any shape or form.

[Isawjonshaw]

Whoever gets the job, I just pray its not another "yes" man. We need someone who will shake up these money grabbing, mercenary, prima donnas. Show them the door if necessary.....

The club is weak right from the top and it needs sorting. Never mind about cant afford a new backroom staff, they'll know about it if we go down, playing in a 30,000 stadium with 9,000 inside.....

[SimonL]

Well said and totally agree.

Whoever gets the job, I just pray its not another "yes" man. We need someone who will shake up these money grabbing, mercenary, prima donnas. Show them the door if necessary.....

The club is weak right from the top and it needs sorting. Never mind about cant afford a new backroom staff, they'll know about it if we go down, playing in a 30,000 stadium with 9,000 inside.....

[RedZepperin]

Well said and totally agree.

Whoever gets the job, I just pray its not another "yes" man. We need someone who will shake up these money grabbing, mercenary, prima donnas. Show them the door if necessary.....

The club is weak right from the top and it needs sorting. Never mind about cant afford a new backroom staff, they'll know about it if we go down, playing in a 30,000 stadium with 9,000 inside.....

I say yes to this and to whatever Mister Chairman, Mr Owner and Mr Owner's son, etc. decide on. Only by pulling together in this way can we get away from this yes man mentality.