Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Barnsley Tyke Quote on Haynes..... "Haynes is doing ok a guess, Transfer stories got to his head but been on Bench last 2 games" If thats what you call rating a player by your standards then we are truly in the Sh*t then if what he says about Robins is true?? If he got the job of course?? He did rate him when he was playing... If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 He did rate him when he was playing... If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both. Absolutely, a 'reasonable' job. Took the words right out of my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) He did rate him when he was playing... If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both. Thats just it i dont take 1 persons view, but my point was BT was saying that when haynes first went there totally looked the business then after a period of time started fading away and looking non interested......Does that sound familer to you??? Because it certainly does to me, it sounds like BT has got Haynes spot on. So in my eyes his views are credible and always seem fair and unbiased. Ok look at Robins Record did ok at Rotherham albiet at League 1 (totally different from the championship which i im sure even you will agree with ??) But at Barnsley i wouldnt say he did a good job just got them by i would say, we even beat them 5-2 when we were in one of our worst spells for years......so for me Thanks but no thanks. But like i have already said if it was out of him and the Jock then id have to pick Robins. Edited October 7, 2011 by bcfcmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) He did rate him when he was playing... If you take one persons view as gospel then that is up to you. I look at his record at Barnsley and Rotherham under the circumstances and I think he has done a reasonable job at both. So you would rather have mark robins than dave jones i've seen you've taken a dis-like to him on other threads) Laughable. Edited October 7, 2011 by CiderArmyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So you would rather have mark robins than dave jones i've seen you've taken a dis-like to him on other threads) Laughable. Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 So you would rather have mark robins than dave jones i've seen you've taken a dis-like to him on other threads) Laughable. Why is it laughable? I don't rate Dave Jones because he failed so badly at Cardiff with such a good squad available. I think that is a fair point. I can't remember him being in many relegation scraps in this league - Robins has- which is what we need right now. In the Prem DJ got Wolves relegated in 20th place I think- not really his fault but doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Thats just it i dont take 1 persons view, but my point was BT was saying that when haynes first went there totally looked the business then after a period of time started fading away and looking non interested......Does that sound familer to you??? Because it certainly does to me, it sounds like BT has got Haynes spot on. So in my eyes his views are credible and always seem fair and unbiased. Ok look at Robins Record did ok at Rotherham albiet at League 1 (totally different from the championship which i im sure even you will agree with ??) But at Barnsley i wouldnt say he did a good job just got them by i would say, we even beat them 5-2 when we were in one of our worst spells for years......so for me Thanks but no thanks. But like i have already said if it was out of him and the Jock then id have to pick Robins. That is fair on Haynes. I wouldn't call League 1 totally different because many managers have gone on to do well in this league after being promoted or doing well in League 1. I've already said I would pick McIness over Robins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level. No Agreed....but we bl**dy could be if we appoint the right man?? Rather than someone thats going to do a simular Job to Keith and just have us struggling through for the next 2 or 3 years depending how long a contract we give them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) No Agreed....but we bl**dy could be if we appoint the right man?? Rather than someone thats going to do a simular Job to Keith and just have us struggling through for the next 2 or 3 years depending how long a contract we give them... I totally agree. Yet we differ on who is the right man or the right kind of mananger... Just different ways of seeing it I guess. Edited October 7, 2011 by Alex_BCFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 I totally agree. Yet we differ on who is the right man or the right kind of mananger... Just different ways of seeing it I guess. All i want mate (same as you im sure) is the best for BCFC and i think that would be one of the boys that have been there and been a success of some degree at this level.....but if one of the others are appointed then GOD dont i ever hope im proven wrong they would still get my support until as with Keith come the end i could just not see any light at the end of the tunnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 None of the above X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Pointless it's not a two horse race, besides I hate these stupid poles, just get on with your lives there are surely more important things to worry about I quite like the Polish actually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) Of course we would. But right now we aren't anywhere near that level. The thing is though Alex, while i respect your view on Robins, you cannot cut and slice it when it comes to choosing a manager; one for relegation battles and one for play off fights. To choose a manager is to find someone who can do both and, so by definition, for the long term prospects of the club. You are arguing we should take Robins based on his dogfight attributes and nothing else with the hope we might do alright after that. Again, by definition therefore, you are advocating a short term and more expensive solution down the road. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. If you can come up with a better argument it might receive a better hearing. Edited October 8, 2011 by havanatopia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Not a very objective way of framing a 'vote'! Imagine if you went into an election and the form said 'Please tick the box next to the party you want to win (bearing in my it's very likely the Tories will win)'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Not a very objective way of framing a 'vote'! Imagine if you went into an election and the form said 'Please tick the box next to the party you want to win (bearing in my it's very likely the Tories will win)'! based on the fact McInnes is the favourite in the main poll and Robins is/has been favourite amongst the bookies i think it has absolute relevance. You are, I am sure, far too intelligent to be distracted by the nuance of the question; and anyway i see no ambiguity there at all. it is pretty clear what the objective of the poll is. Vote yes, vote no or abstain. simple really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18MILLER84 Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 As a Millers fan (and i have added anew post) think you are mad to be so against Robins, he did an excellent job for us, and looking from afar at the in-bred dingles he didn't do a bad job there either, and by sounds of it if the club had of backed him they would of pushed on again so don't be so quick to dismiss him IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Matt Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Not sure why everyone is attacking this post?? The question was merely IF these 2 were the last candidates, which would you rather? Purely hypothetical but COULD happen so why not see who people prefer between these 2? You don't have to vote! Any comments about other managers I'm sure will appear in the countless other threads! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Neither... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 The thing is though Alex, while i respect your view on Robins, you cannot cut and slice it when it comes to choosing a manager; one for relegation battles and one for play off fights. To choose a manager is to find someone who can do both and, so by definition, for the long term prospects of the club. You are arguing we should take Robins based on his dogfight attributes and nothing else with the hope we might do alright after that. Again, by definition therefore, you are advocating a short term and more expensive solution down the road. I think that is the wrong way to look at it. If you can come up with a better argument it might receive a better hearing. I think you get me wrong over that. Not only do I think he can get us out of a mess and steady the ship, he has shown at Rotherham how he can push sides on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I think you get me wrong over that. Not only do I think he can get us out of a mess and steady the ship, he has shown at Rotherham how he can push sides on. OK fair enough but that is not how i read your remarks, in general, earlier in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I find it really strange that Mark Robins is getting such a hard time on here, and I do wonder if those voting for McInnes are doing so because of what he could - rather than what he actually is. Firstly, Robins has the pedigree as a player having come through at Man Utd under SAF and playing at the top level for some good footballing teams (Norwich and Leicester), he's also played abroad briefly, too. As a manager he's taken on two clubs who were really struggling within their division, so was given little opportunity to spend money or get them playing attractive football immediately. But has helped both clubs survive, and in the case of Rotherham, as one of their fans on here has suggested, got them playing good football. He's certainly an authority figure, and would command respect from the players given his own successful career. Players would respect that - and he might even be able to help our strikers score... He has also history with us; despite a very short time here as a player, there was disappointment when he had to return to Rotherham, and a sense that Robins fitted in with the robins. Maybe now would be a good opportunity for him to achieve something with us? As for Derek McInnes, he's very much an unknown quantity as a manager. Very few of us know much about him, but we're hoping he could be the same quality and of the same type that typifies so many of the recent Scottish managers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 I find it really strange that Mark Robins is getting such a hard time on here, and I do wonder if those voting for McInnes are doing so because of what he could - rather than what he actually is. Firstly, Robins has the pedigree as a player having come through at Man Utd under SAF and playing at the top level for some good footballing teams (Norwich and Leicester), he's also played abroad briefly, too. As a manager he's taken on two clubs who were really struggling within their division, so was given little opportunity to spend money or get them playing attractive football immediately. But has helped both clubs survive, and in the case of Rotherham, as one of their fans on here has suggested, got them playing good football. He's certainly an authority figure, and would command respect from the players given his own successful career. Players would respect that - and he might even be able to help our strikers score... He has also history with us; despite a very short time here as a player, there was disappointment when he had to return to Rotherham, and a sense that Robins fitted in with the robins. Maybe now would be a good opportunity for him to achieve something with us? As for Derek McInnes, he's very much an unknown quantity as a manager. Very few of us know much about him, but we're hoping he could be the same quality and of the same type that typifies so many of the recent Scottish managers (Lambert, Coyle, Moyes, Irvine, etc). There's also a sense that he's seen as a bright, young manager - an exciting new talent. But Robins is only two years older. And has as much managerial experience, and probably at a higher level than McInnes who's only managed in Scotland, which isn't as a good a quality as the Championship. I think either would probably be a good choice, but also probably a risk - but I think Robins history and experience would probably make him less of a risk than McInnes. Having said all that, I think Dave Jones would be a better all-round choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 If it's one of them i certainley wont be complaining. Young, ambitious and talented fits the bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 93.5% for McInnes 6.5% for Robins. Can the board ignore this IF Robins is STILL on their radar? I cannot remember such an emphatic thumbs down for a single candidate as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 lets see if those percentages in my last post above stay consistent or are more emphatic on the new poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 http://en.wikipedia....anagerial_stats http://en.wikipedia....nagerial_career http://en.wikipedia....nagerial_career http://en.wikipedia....27Neill#Manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Odds are we'll need a New City Manager Song: WHEN THE 'NICE' MARK ROBINS IS SENT BOB BOBBIN' ALONG, ALONG S.O.D.ing OFF WITH THE JONES'S, & THE COTTS & THE ZOLAS ....THEY'LL ALL BE GONE!! SO WAKE UP, WAKE UP NEXT WEEK YOU REDS WE'LL ALL - BE AS HAPPY AS F *** SHITHEADS WHEN WE'VE SIGNED DEL McINNES INSTEAD & WE'LL BE - SO - F **** G - HAPPY! YEAH, WHEN THE RED RED ROBIN IS BOB BOB BOBBIN' ALONG, ALONG & WE'LL ALL SING AGAIN - ITS GREAT AT THE GATE AGAIN ... WE'LL BE SINGING THIS SONG... 'WHEN THE RED RED ROBIN GOES BOB BOB BOBBIN' ALONG' !!! Hmm, trust me to go making a song & dance about it. Using the medium of song I predicted this scenario last Saturday in the 'odds' thread... So when Robins has finally been sent bob bobbin along -we'll all be so happy that Del-Boys our new boss !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Spot on....alot of people are missing that point i'd rather be challenging every year even if it was losing out in the play offs, rather than a relagation fight every year is that the same Dave Jones whose last signing for Cardiff was Jon Parkin?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Swedish king Gustav Vasa (1496-1560) only appointed people with documented luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.