123456789000 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 When I first heard the argument my thoughts were 'Don't be ridiculous'. But the stats don't lie. He's the second highest scoring English striker this year behind Rooney. Nobody knows what style Roy is going to opt for, so Holt may or may not fit the system anyway, but it does open up room for thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 When I first heard the argument my thoughts were 'Don't be ridiculous'. But the stats don't lie. He's the second highest scoring English striker this year behind Rooney. Nobody knows what style Roy is going to opt for, so Holt may or may not fit the system anyway, but it does open up room for thought... What it does demonstrate is that we are up the creek without a paddle if Rooney gets injured / can't be bothered / gets involved in outside "issues" again ! It really is a struggle to pick stikers for the first two games in the Euros based upon the season just gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 No. Peter Crouch over him all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789000 Posted May 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 No. Peter Crouch over him all day long. I am a big big fan of Crouch and pray that he gets taken over Holt. From the post it may seem like I want Holt to go, I don't really, I was just asking if he deserved to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbcfc Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 No. Peter Crouch over him all day long. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 No. Peter Crouch over him all day long. Agreed. I don't think Roy can afford NOT to take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Bent > Crouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Holt is playing incredibly well today. I'd take him as it's not as if England have many great strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 There is absolutely no way Holt should be anywhere near the Euros. John Ruddy on the other hand, although largely down to England's ineptitude to produce quality goalkeepers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 What would be the point? Realistically, England need to look at this tournament as an opportunity to build for towards a good performance at the next world cup. Grant Holt is unlikely to even be playing top level football in 2014, let alone still banging them in. Plus, we need someone who can stay on the pitch for the first two games at least and Holt has a hot temper to match Rooney's. In my opinion he's a flat track bully who's 31 years old and too slow for international football. As much as I think he's over-rated, I'd start Welbeck with Sturridge off him and Walcot and Young either side. Once Rooney's back either move Sturridge wide/drop him or drop Welbeck; presuming we haven't looked like world beaters the first 2 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 What would be the point? Realistically, England need to look at this tournament as an opportunity to build for towards a good performance at the next world cup. Grant Holt is unlikely to even be playing top level football in 2014, let alone still banging them in. Plus, we need someone who can stay on the pitch for the first two games at least and Holt has a hot temper to match Rooney's. In my opinion he's a flat track bully who's 31 years old and too slow for international football. As much as I think he's over-rated, I'd start Welbeck with Sturridge off him and Walcot and Young either side. Once Rooney's back either move Sturridge wide/drop him or drop Welbeck; presuming we haven't looked like world beaters the first 2 games +1 100% agree mate. Spot on. Hard to back it up given his good record this season but Holt simply isn't international class. I would be willing to bet any money with anyone, that next season he wont even get 10. Even so, as you say why bother? He is never in a million years going to play at the next world cup so he should not be anywhere near the squad. Not sure Welbeck is up to it yet, but I think he will be given time. We don't really have anyone else so I would be give him a chance in Rooney's absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 What would be the point? Realistically, England need to look at this tournament as an opportunity to build for towards a good performance at the next world cup. Grant Holt is unlikely to even be playing top level football in 2014, let alone still banging them in. Plus, we need someone who can stay on the pitch for the first two games at least and Holt has a hot temper to match Rooney's. In my opinion he's a flat track bully who's 31 years old and too slow for international football. As much as I think he's over-rated, I'd start Welbeck with Sturridge off him and Walcot and Young either side. Once Rooney's back either move Sturridge wide/drop him or drop Welbeck; presuming we haven't looked like world beaters the first 2 games sturridge upfront doesnt seem right to me, if fit i'll try bent and welbeck with walcott and young out wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Holt has had a good season but I wouldn't take him over Crouch who has done well consistently in the Prem over a number of season. Outside chance but played very well today against a shaky Arsenal defence. If only we had RVP to partner Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 There is absolutely no way Holt should be anywhere near the Euros. John Ruddy on the other hand, although largely down to England's ineptitude to produce quality goalkeepers. Joe Hart will be number 1 for many years i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Joe Hart is the best goalkeeper in the world in my opinion. Has everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcOK Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 No way should he be anywhere near the england squad. Without Rooney for the first 2 games, we should play Welbeck supported by 2 wingers (Young, Chamberlain/Walcott) and when he's back go back to 4-4-2. Back up strikers - Sturridge, Bent, Defoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Crouch who has done well consistently in the Prem over a number of season. And his international goalscoring record speaks for itself. I don't see how we can afford to not take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 The rest of europe would piss themselves if we take Holt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youngish Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 I'm fairly sure Bent's expected return date is the day the euros start, but that's not including time to get fit, so I don't think he'll be going. I'd have Crouch, Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, and maybe defoe. No point in taking Defoe and Bent either, as they're pretty similar, just defoe's not as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 sturridge upfront doesnt seem right to me, if fit i'll try bent and welbeck with walcott and young out wide. Yeah, but I wouldn't really play him as a striker; play Young, Sturridge &Walcot (or Oxlade Chamberlain?) in a fluid 3 behind Welbeck as a target man. I don't mean pumping high balls at him, more that the ball goes into the feet and he chases it into the channels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Would be the strangest call up since Mike Bassett took Benson and Hedges to the Brazil world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 is bent going to be fit for it? he's missed most of this calendar year due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 FRAZIER CAMPBELL!!! forgot about him a min ago. made his debut last game vs holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 The rest of europe would piss themselves if we take Holt. They already are with the appointment of Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Hodgson knows Bobby Zamora really well, was calling for his inclusion when he was Fulham manager. I'd pick Crouch myself, but think Zamora will be on Hodgson's radar over Holt for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Joe Hart will be number 1 for many years i think Yeah, Joe Hart is a massive anomaly in recent years. The lad Jack Buckland up at Birmingham is very highly rated but remains to be seen whether he can do the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 They already are with the appointment of Hodgson. He was the best option unless we went foreign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 Everyone cast your minds back to when Michael Ricketts was scoring goals for Bolton in a similar vain to what Holt is doing for Norwich now. Was he international class? Was he ****! He had a chance of going to the 2002 world cup and we had a lot better strikers than him around at that point! Under no circumstances should Holt be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsontour Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 They already are with the appointment of Hodgson. 10 domestic leagues, 3 domestic cups, 2 Europa cup finals, The only English coach working whose won the LMA award, technical analyst for both FIFA and UEFA,. Speaks 5 languages, and took a country of accountants to 3rd in the world.. But you are right, EUro coaches would have crapped themselves if we had appointed Harry..after all, 1 FA cup (with a budget that bankrupted the club) , 1 div 3 title, an LDV trophy..and all with clubs within 100 miles of his house..that's a track record alright.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 5, 2012 Report Share Posted May 5, 2012 If Ricketts, Bothroyd, Frazer Campbell, Nugent, Carlton Palmer are worthy of an international cap then Holt deserves at least 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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