Mk Dons Vs Wimbledon

[Cambridge Batch Red]

What a marvellous gesture it would be if fans from every team in the League had some of their fans go and cheer on ASC.

Show the franchise what all fans think of them.

Marvellous for wrinkleman's bank account no doubt - a boycott on the game would be better.

AFC can say they dread this fixture and they probably do - but TV money will be in the region of £60 grand - not bad for a div 4 side.

[Dolman_Stand]

Should be an interesting 2nd round cup game for sure, don't understand why AFC fans would be discussing boycotting this game!

[sbred]

Should be an interesting 2nd round cup game for sure, don't understand why AFC fans would be discussing boycotting this game!

There is already a thread on this, but it's obvious why they wouldn't want to go.

It's not, unnatural hatred like us -v- rovers where you can't explain it, this is the group of people that stole their club .

If it was city, and someone stole the club from us, moved us miles away, changes our colours and name and left your without a club, your hardly going to be happy going to visit them are you.

In a way, it's like meeting someone who broke into your house.

[Libertine Dream]

There is already a thread on this, but it's obvious why they wouldn't want to go.

It's not, unnatural hatred like us -v- rovers where you can't explain it, this is the group of people that stole their club .

If it was city, and someone stole the club from us, moved us miles away, changes our colours and name and left your without a club, your hardly going to be happy going to visit them are you.

In a way, it's like meeting someone who broke into your house.

But if someone broke into your house would you not want some revenge? Are we expecting crowd trouble at this or just no crowd atall?

[sbred]

But if someone broke into your house would you not want some revenge? Are we expecting crowd trouble at this or just no crowd atall?

Yes. You would probably want to fill the bloke in, but you cant do that at football anymore can you.

Most mk don fans do not think they have done anything wrong.

It's like your missus cheating on you with someone, then having to spend time with that said person

[BASSO]

should be pretty easy for mk dons to come up with some funny chants for this one, wonder if they can get close to a sell out because people have been wanting to see this for years.

[Maltshoveller]

Wimbledon are still demanding that MK drop the "Dons" from there name,is doesn't belong to them.

They have already handed back to AFC there history, in this I mean that AFC's honours rightly now record that they won the FA cup in 88? and not MK.

This is whats wrong with the whole thing

The fa cup was won by wimbledon A club with the likes of Vinny Jones, Fash and Wise This club later moved to MK

The club that is now AFC wimbledon never won it FACT

[Red-Robbo]

This is whats wrong with the whole thing

The fa cup was won by wimbledon A club with the likes of Vinny Jones, Fash and Wise This club later moved to MK

The club that is now AFC wimbledon never won it FACT

AFC are recognised as the successor club to the original Wimbledon so yes it does. The club belongs to the community, the fanbase.

If you think otherwise, presumably you'd argue that Bristol City don't own any pre-1982 honours. Same thing.

[Aizoon]

AFC are recognised as the successor club to the original Wimbledon so yes it does. The club belongs to the community, the fanbase.

If you think otherwise, presumably you'd argue that Bristol City don't own any pre-1982 honours. Same thing.

Indeed, that's exactly what the Gasheads argue. Maybe Maltshoveller is one of those?

No. We have the proud distinction of having won the Welsh Cup, and no one can take that away from us

[Red-Robbo]

Indeed, that's exactly what the Gasheads argue. Maybe Maltshoveller is one of those?

No. We have the proud distinction of having won the Welsh Cup, and no one can take that away from us

Hey! Don't forget the Anglo-Scottish Cup, Aizoon.

(Maybe that's what attracted Derek McInnes to us!)

[Maltshoveller]

Indeed, that's exactly what the Gasheads argue. Maybe Maltshoveller is one of those?

No. We have the proud distinction of having won the Welsh Cup, and no one can take that away from us

No i am not GAS

[Maltshoveller]

AFC are recognised as the successor club to the original Wimbledon so yes it does. The club belongs to the community, the fanbase.

If you think otherwise, presumably you'd argue that Bristol City don't own any pre-1982 honours. Same thing.

Bristol City became Bristol City 1982 just like Rangers have become Rangers new co

The Wimbledon club that won the fa cup moved to MK and became MK Dons

AFC wimbledon is a different club with a different history

If the Glazers deside to up root Man Utd and play their home games in say Boston Then after a few years change their name to Boston Utd

But to keep fans happy give their clubs history to FC United

Would that then make FC United 19 times league champions!!!! NO

[Red-Robbo]

Afaik, last time I looked into it and there was some discussion on here. The Fans Federation or whatever it's called forced MK Dons to hand back their silverware to Merton Council, rather than AFC Wimbledon. All of the honours and so on, now reside with them as a defunct club. MK Dons are now a pure phoenix club and AFC Wimbledon are the same,unless they have done a Fiorentina and bought back the franchise so to speak.

More on it here http://www.dailymail...s--MK-Dons.html

Merton house the silverware in Morden Library as AFC don't own their own ground, however last time I was at Kinsmeadow, the trophies were there in a temporary display.

This is how AFC explain the situation: http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/club/clubhonours/

[Red-Robbo]

Bristol City became Bristol City 1982 just like Rangers have become Rangers new co

The Wimbledon club that won the fa cup moved to MK and became MK Dons

AFC wimbledon is a different club with a different history

If the Glazers deside to up root Man Utd and play their home games in say Boston Then after a few years change their name to Boston Utd

But to keep fans happy give their clubs history to FC United

Would that then make FC United 19 times league champions!!!! NO

MK Dons have accepted that they are a new club which started in 2004. The only dispute now is over the use of the Dons name.

It's utterly different to FC United as Manchester United haven't folded and FC United don't even represent the majority of Man U's fanbase.

[Maltshoveller]

MK Dons have accepted that they are a new club which started in 2004. The only dispute now is over the use of the Dons name.

It's utterly different to FC United as Manchester United haven't folded and FC United don't even represent the majority of Man U's fanbase.

Did the original Wimbledon fold??

[Red-Robbo]

And this is how the Fans Supporter's Fed and WISA brokered the return to Merton of the old Honours.

http://www.wisa.org....ion=show&id=544

AFC Wimbledon have no claim over the old Wimbledon honours

I doesn't say that in that agreement accord. It says that MK Dons agree to return the silverware and all intellectual copyright of the old Wimbledon FC to the borough of Merton in return for WISA allowing them to become part of the FSF (note the FSF recognised AFC as the successor club, not MK) and stopping calls for a fans' boycott.

WISA, as the name suggests, is an independent fans organisation and not the club. The link I posted makes clear AFC's position which is accepted.

It is impossible not to say that the FA dropped a major bollock in allowing the relocation. It's 'independent' panel that gave the final go ahead consisting of some bloke who'd f-ed over York City and sold their ground from under them; a solicitor who new nothing about football and someone from Aston villa who voted against the franchise and was outvoted 2-1.

[Red-Robbo]

The link you posted goes on about the spirit and the community rather the actualities because they have no actual claim over Wimbledon's History. There is no Wimbledon club ( in the sense of the one that won the FA CUP etc) any more hence the bequeathment to Merton Council, despite AFC Wimbledon's existence. Here is Merton Council's own take on it, when they took delivery of it http://www.merton.go...ils.htm?id=1579

The only way that AFC could concidveably claim the history legitimately, is like I said in my opening post to do a Fiorentina and buy the history from the current owners. However, I dont know how many accords or legal things this would break, as unlike Fiorentina, the history and memorabilia is not in the hands of an administrator and has been betrothed or whatever you want to call it as a patrimony to Merton Council to safeguard the legacy.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - there isn't a current owner. Merton council has the silverware on display, when it isn't in a temporary exhibit in Kingsmeadow (which it has been at least four times I understand from old SW19 mates). That fact should tell you something. The club is also accepted as the succesor organisation by the rest of British football, apart from MK Dons and Ralph Milnes Left-foot.

I lived there for 11 years - and just up the road in Earlsfield before that - so I've followed this saga pretty closely.

When the trophies were returned, Rob Jeffrey, a guy I know professionally, wrote this for WSC. It's worth a scan to realise just how important this issue is to, an admittedly small number, of fans in south-west London.

http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/30-Clubs/4623-two-decades-for-the-dons

[sbred]

I guess we only have history since 1982 aswell then?

[Timbo7]

I guess we only have history since 1982 aswell then?

In the event of insolvency the board of directors hands full responsibility for ongoing operation of the business to an administrator (formerly a receiver). The administrator's sole responsibility is to maximise the amounts available to pay the debts off the debts of the business. He will seek and consider offers for the business as a going concern and contrast this against the amount that can be raised from break-up and sale of the assets (liquidation). There is a distinction between purchase of the business from the administrator as a going concern (e.g. Crystal Palace) which usually involves voluntary agreements between creditors (e.g. Ashton Gate 8 or willingness to accept lower amounts) AND liquidation (where creditors get a share of the proceeds of sale whether they like it or not). In the event that liquidation occurs, the administrator may still sell names (e.g, Bristol City FC) to a new owner but this will not include assets or liabilities and hence will require a wholly new club to be formed starting at the bottom of the pyramid.

These processes have nothing to do with history and memories, neither of which are available to be bought and sold.

The fact that AFC Wimbledon are considered by effectively everyone that matters to be the spiritual successors to Wimbledon FC is therefore all that matters! Who owns the trophies and other memorabilia is of no more consequence than who buys a First World War medal at an auction - you cannot change history and insert your name into the historic record simply by purchase some physical symbol of the event.

Similarly, our connection with Fatty Wedlock's heroes is diminished no more by the events of 1982 than by the sale and purchase of shares in the company that owns and operates Bristol City FC before and since. However much Steve Lansdown spends, he does cannot become Harry Dolman any more than Steady or Ginge can become John Ayteo.

As I understand it in this case - MK Dons retained legal ownership of names, trophies and the like and have surrendered this in an attempt to gain the goodwill of supporters of AFC Wimbledon and other clubs - Wimbledon's history was surrendered the moment they chose to move from South London simply because no-one who cares (and patently neither the League nor the FA did) would ever be able to accept they were the same club.

In essence history and tradition is in the heart and will survive anything (other than loss of collective memory) whereas legal ownership will always be enslaved to the evils of money.