Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 and under New Labour Blair and Straw would have sent Gary Mckinnon to the USofA. But the most unbelievable piece of irony is The war criminal is now a peace envoy in the middle east, the ******* world is truly mad. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/13/libyan-dissident-mi6-aided-rendition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yes ,Pity Cameron is such a total **** ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JammyOne Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 Yes ,Pity Cameron is such a total **** ! Why is that? He's been pretty sound with Policy so far. He hasn't been as ruthless with cuts as tax payers would have liked, but he's doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 14, 2012 Report Share Posted December 14, 2012 I still can't work out how/why the banks have been bailed out by god knows how many billions yet the banks/bankers have remained unscathed while the deficit has to be made up by catestrophic public spending cuts (which haven't even really kicked in yet) leading to decimated public services etc for the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2012 I still can't work out how/why the banks have been bailed out by god knows how many billions yet the banks/bankers have remained unscathed while the deficit has to be made up by catestrophic public spending cuts (which haven't even really kicked in yet) leading to decimated public services etc for the rest of us. The banks have been bailed out because they are mainly owned by the richest 1% of the worlds wealth and heaven forbid they lose any of their wealth, it's like going into a casino and betting a substantial amount of money on the turn of the wheel and losing but getting all of your money back but if you happen to win you get to keep it, it's all very simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Blair tells them to stop fighting, Ppplleaasee stop fighting *hand gestures everywhere!*!! - Next day, send the defence secretary to Qatar to sign a multi-billion pound deal and arm somone to the teeth for profit, Arms made in US, Germany, France, UK, Italy are decent earners for us, and for the high tech stuff, shit, we are the best. War is good for profit, sell weps too attack, then sell the other side the defence/radar systems that nulify the previously sold weps, rinse and repeat! give the DEA over a trillion USD and kill hundreds of thousands of poverty stricken people because..some law .. Suuuurely change the 'law' and turn these people into simple farmers and tax them? I would rather die from getting high than taking a chainsaw to my head. So yeah, Tony Blair, not a fan at all, he screwed up our borders, next week, Hungry and Romania, daaam, better make some more schools, hospitals, houses for them, after all, its their human right.. and its good for the economy. well then our economy will be flourishing, more of this profit!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 So yeah, Tony Blair, not a fan at all, he screwed up our borders, next week, Hungry and Romania, daaam, better make some more schools, hospitals, houses for them, after all, its their human right.. and its good for the economy. well then our economy will be flourishing, more of this profit!!!! The Labour Party's top liar and known traitor - Tony Blair - should be brought to trial for his various crimes that have blighted this country and the Middle East for the past 15 odd years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 The Labour Party's top liar and known traitor - Tony Blair - should be brought to trial for his various crimes that have blighted this country and the Middle East for the past 15 odd years. to begin with.. I would love to know what went on in that cabinet sometimes, I cant actually work Blair out, but then hes a politician, trained to deceive and misdirect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 to begin with.. I would love to know what went on in that cabinet sometimes, I cant actually work Blair out, but then hes a politician, trained to deceive and misdirect. Tony Blair is also a highly trained lawyer - again trained to lie, deceive, and misdirect. I'd like all Labour Party MPs - who claim to represent working people - to be sent on work experience for 10 years at a God-foresaken Siberian Gulag to learn the meaning of real work in minus 40 degrees of frost. Let them discuss the 'benefits' of Britain's EU membership in the Gulag. That's real Socialism with a big 'S'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Tony Blair is also a highly trained lawyer - again trained to lie, deceive, and misdirect. I'd like all Labour Party MPs - who claim to represent working people - to be sent on work experience for 10 years at a God-foresaken Siberian Gulag to learn the meaning of real work in minus 40 degrees of frost. Let them discuss the 'benefits' of Britain's EU membership in the Gulag. That's real Socialism with a big 'S'. Funny that it was your Tory mates who joined the UK up for this wonderful European adventure, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Funny that it was your Tory mates who joined the UK up for this wonderful European adventure, wasn't it? My view is that since John Major's Tory government signed us up to the EU project in the early 1990s the Tory Party has been incapable of winning a Parliamentary General Election outright. This is due to so many Tories joining The EU Referendum Party that's now become UKIP. The superb patriot that is Nigel Farage being one of those ex Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 My view is that since John Major's Tory government signed us up to the EU project in the early 1990s the Tory Party has been incapable of winning a Parliamentary General Election outright. This is due to so many Tories joining The EU Referendum Party that's now become UKIP. The superb patriot that is Nigel Farage being one of those ex Tories. Indeed. You support a tax-cutting-for-the-rich, socially backward, xenophobic, Conservative single-issue party. Based on some sort of 1950s view of Great Britain. IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskay Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The tories are trying to resurect Thatcher's policy of privatising everthing (well what is left). MOD will probably be next, the NHS is being privatised through the back door. They can't leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Indeed. You support a tax-cutting-for-the-rich, socially backward, xenophobic, Conservative single-issue party. Based on some sort of 1950s view of Great Britain. IMO of course Indeed, both my Grandfathers would have been leaving the armed forces during the 1950s - after serving their country against the last German led EU project (The Third Reich) - to enjoy life in a country that was relatively crime free and free from tyranny. The 1950s was a time of high attendances at football and a time when you could be hung - and quite rightly - for selling your country out to enemy alien organisations such as the present day EU project and the Court of Human Rights. You seem to have some type of Cultural Marxist Utopian view that things are perfect in this country when in reality it's on the verge of moral, social and economic collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The tories are trying to resurect Thatcher's policy of privatising everthing (well what is left). MOD will probably be next, the NHS is being privatised through the back door. They can't leave it alone. Outsourcing is the phrase they use now, makes it sound so more cuddly than privatisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Tony Blair? New labour? Is this the greatest hits of 1997 page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Indeed. You support a tax-cutting-for-the-rich, socially backward, xenophobic, Conservative single-issue party. Based on some sort of 1950s view of Great Britain. IMO of course Read on Red-Robbo....... "TRADE UNIONS We have held the views, from the days of Disraeli, that the Trade Union movement is essential to the proper working of our economy and of our industrial life. Conservatives should not hesitate to join Trade Unions as so many of our Party have already done, and to play their full part in their union affairs. As soon as possible we wish the Trade Unions to regain their function of obtaining for their members a full share of increasing productivity through free collective bargaining. We shall consult with all engaged in industry on how to make more effective the machinery for consultation between industry and the Government. We shall abolish the direction of labour. We shall consult with the Unions upon a friendly and final settlement of the questions of contracting out and compulsory unionism, on both of which Conservatives have strong convictions of principle, and on any other matters that the Unions may wish to raise. WORKERS' CHARTER The detailed application of a Workers' Charter designed to give security, incentive and status will be discussed with the Trade Unions and the employers. It is our intention to bring it into effect as early as possible in industry and to extend it to agriculture wherever practicable. Legislation will provide every employee with a legal right to a written contract of service in which, if both parties agree, length of notice may be adjusted to length of service. The Workers' Charter will lay down the principle that extra effort should always bring extra reward and that promotion shall be by merit. It will encourage schemes of training, both technical and general, for all who may benefit from them. It advocates the widest possible extension, on a voluntary basis, of joint consultation on subjects other than wages and conditions of work, which are already covered by collective bargaining, and will favour schemes of co-partnership and profit-sharing. The main body of the Charter will not be embodied in legislation but will be drawn up as a Code of Conduct and submitted to Parliament for debate and adoption. We shall ensure that this Code is strictly applied in all undertakings under Government control. After due notice has been given only those employers who observe the Code will obtain public contracts." ....ahem, that's an extract from the Conservative Party manifesto dated 19th January 1950 and endorsed by Winston Spencer Churchill himself !!!!!! What more could any Trades Unionist wish for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Indeed, both my Grandfathers would have been leaving the armed forces during the 1950s - after serving their country against the last German led EU project (The Third Reich) - to enjoy life in a country that was relatively crime free and free from tyranny. The 1950s was a time of high attendances at football and a time when you could be hung - and quite rightly - for selling your country out to enemy alien organisations such as the present day EU project and the Court of Human Rights. You seem to have some type of Cultural Marxist Utopian view that things are perfect in this country when in reality it's on the verge of moral, social and economic collapse. No. I agree it is. And one of the four horseman of that apocalypse is an investment banker, like your personal hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Funny that it was your Tory mates who joined the UK up for this wonderful European adventure, wasn't it? Aided and abetted of course by your scaremongering mates at the BBC, when the vote was about a common European market and not a political union leading to an anti-democratic United States of Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Indeed. You support a tax-cutting-for-the-rich, socially backward, xenophobic, Conservative single-issue party. Based on some sort of 1950s view of Great Britain. IMO of course Difficult to accuse Farage and his party of xenophopia. He is married to a German and has worked in Europe. It is possible to have a position where you are pro-Europe but anti-EU, which is the position UKIP takes. No doubt there will be many slurs and attempts to align the party with the BNP before the next election. I think you will also find if you have a look at their website that they are far from being a single issue party, it's simply that the issue of EU membership at present over-rides all others because of the implications for our democracy. It would be interesting to see the results if other EU countries were given referenda. Pointless I know as past experience shows us that if you vote against you simply have to have another go until you get the result the EU politburo requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 No. I agree it is. And one of the four horseman of that apocalypse is an investment banker, like your personal hero. Indeed, Nigel Farage is a hero to me. I've watched him in the EU Parliament taking on various EU loving despots from Barosso, Blair and Schultz to the unelected Labour Party High Priestess Lady Catherine Ashton. His brilliant oratory in the EU Parliament is never shown by the pro EU and anti democratic BBC propaganda newsagency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 No need to rely on Red-Robbo's former colleagues at the BBC to show what is going on in the EU Parliament. Watch Nigel Farage on Youtube giving all the EU despots a well deserved verbal pasting. Give 'em hell Mr Farage - you're a real credit to your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 As a rule of thumb I tend to believe the opposite view of everything Red Goblin posts on politics. Try it, it's a very useful way to think about things.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 20, 2012 Report Share Posted December 20, 2012 As a rule of thumb I tend to believe the opposite view of everything Red Goblin posts on politics. Try it, it's a very useful way to think about things.. Can any Labour Party member or voter tell me what popular democratic electoral mandate that their EU leader - Lady Catherine Ashton - has from the British people ?????!!!! What democratic mandate has she got to occupy such a senior position in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Aided and abetted of course by your scaremongering mates at the BBC, when the vote was about a common European market and not a political union leading to an anti-democratic United States of Europe. Well I never worked there in 1972. In fact, I was in primary school. So you'll have to give me some evidence of how the BBC 'scaremongered' people into voting for the EEC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Well I never worked there in 1972. In fact, I was in primary school. So you'll have to give me some evidence of how the BBC 'scaremongered' people into voting for the EEC... If I had my way, I'd assemble a team of patriots to examine all the footage and commentary relating to the BBCs support for the EU and EEC over the years. This way we can determine who said what and when and expose any EU/ EEC loving traitors working at the BBC. The BBC are supposed to be impartial but they're clearly not especially regarding the lack of broadcasted counter arguments to our membership of the EEC/ EU over the past 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 If I had my way, I'd assemble a team of patriots to examine all the footage and commentary relating to the BBCs support for the EU and EEC over the years. This way we can determine who said what and when and expose any EU/ EEC loving traitors working at the BBC. The BBC are supposed to be impartial but they're clearly not especially regarding the lack of broadcasted counter arguments to our membership of the EEC/ EU over the past 40 years. And your evidence for this startling assertion is???? Why would a broadcaster 'push' the membership of one international organisation? And is it your assertion that just the BBC does this or is there some sort of pro-EU propaganda department in Sky, C4 and ITN?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 As a rule of thumb I tend to believe the opposite view of everything Red Goblin posts on politics. Try it, it's a very useful way to think about things.. You don't believe in democracy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 Well I never worked there in 1972. In fact, I was in primary school. So you'll have to give me some evidence of how the BBC 'scaremongered' people into voting for the EEC... Just a bit of banter Robbo. 1972, a dangerous time to be in primary school if you were too familiar with a certain 'mate' at the BBC. With regard to the BBC and the Common Market vote I thought the BBC had already admitted that they were far from impartial and played a significant part in securing the 'Yes' vote. Having said that I do believe that they are making a significant effort at last to be perceived to be impartial. Farage is gaining some coverage on TV and Radio 4, there was a profile on him a couple of weeks back, and some coverage of the pointless EU parliament at around three in the morning has shown some of his speeches. Also I was amazed to hear the gorgeous Stephanie Flanders arguing for EU exit, albeit on a Sky News discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 21, 2012 Report Share Posted December 21, 2012 With regard to the BBC and the Common Market vote I thought the BBC had already admitted that they were far from impartial and played a significant part in securing the 'Yes' vote. Having said that I do believe that they are making a significant effort at last to be perceived to be impartial. Farage is gaining some coverage on TV and Radio 4, there was a profile on him a couple of weeks back, and some coverage of the pointless EU parliament at around three in the morning has shown some of his speeches. Also I was amazed to hear the gorgeous Stephanie Flanders arguing for EU exit, albeit on a Sky News discussion. But how did they play this 'significant part' Marshy and what possible reason for any bias could there be? The EEC debate wasn't a party political division - there were those on the left as well as the right that opposed membership. With regards to Farage, coverage has obviously grown as the success of UKIP electorally has. They sit in most polls at the moment as Britain's "third party" so enhanced media interest in them and their major policy position is only fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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