Barrs Court Red Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 From next week can they just walk into the country, or will there still be barriers to entry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 It's even poorer than Poland (when they joined the EU) - so I expect to see the Romanian population in the UK soar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 It's even poorer than Poland (when they joined the EU) - so I expect to see the Romanian population in the UK soar. Sew your pockets up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 From next week can they just walk into the country, or will there still be barriers to entry? All the EU loving traitor Tories and their traitor Labour buddies - that signed us up to the various EEC then EU treaties - should be executed for their High Treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 From next week can they just walk into the country, or will there still be barriers to entry? Its a year from now actually, I did mistakenly write 2 week in other thread, but its another year too, phew. but they will have the same rights as all the EU member states, so in effect come and go as you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Can any of them play centre half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Can any of them play centre half? Usually have a few fox in the box types who can pick your pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 From next week can they just walk into the country, or will there still be barriers to entry? I don't understand the position of the Tories with regard to membership of the hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. The Tories tell us of the need to cut spending in areas such as welfare and NHS care and yet these same Tories will be inviting in 100s of thousands of poor Romanians to our country via the EU who will be dependent on welfare payments and NHS care from the British state. Could a Tory or Tory voter explain this Tory juxtaposition to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Expect to see lots, their government has shat all over them. Take a look at footage a couple of years ago of a man trying to commit suicide in their parliment. If there was one country I could understand the population moving from it is Romania, beautiful country, but many do not have enough to eat properly now. Living on 250 euros a month with rents on average 250 a month. Truely shocking. We think our government are bad, their public sector have had roughly 50% of their salary cut! I think you will see more Romanians in Italy to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikep Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I don't understand the position of the Tories with regard to membership of the hopelessly corrupt and criminal led European Union project. The Tories tell us of the need to cut spending in areas such as welfare and NHS care and yet these same Tories will be inviting in 100s of thousands of poor Romanians to our country via the EU who will be dependent on welfare payments and NHS care from the British state. Could a Tory or Tory voter explain this Tory juxtaposition to me. Don't hold your breathe for a sensible answer Gobbers. Now get back to work and pay some more taxes so some lazy scumbag can sit on his backside all day watching a 42 inch plazma TV paid for by the gullible British taxpayer. Question for you. If I go to any other European country without anywhere to stay and have no income from a legitimate job, what help would they give me? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Don't hold your breathe for a sensible answer Gobbers. Now get back to work and pay some more taxes so some lazy scumbag can sit on his backside all day watching a 42 inch plazma TV paid for by the gullible British taxpayer. Question for you. If I go to any other European country without anywhere to stay and have no income from a legitimate job, what help would they give me? Thanks. I don't suppose you'd ever get a straight and sensible answer from any Tory as it was the traitor Tories that signed us up to the EEC in 1973 and then the EU in 1992. In answer to your question, I don't know of any EU country that would accomodate me if I were a benefits tourist looking for a free house and plasma TV at the expense of the host EU country's taxpayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Don't hold your breathe for a sensible answer Gobbers. Now get back to work and pay some more taxes so some lazy scumbag can sit on his backside all day watching a 42 inch plazma TV paid for by the gullible British taxpayer. Question for you. If I go to any other European country without anywhere to stay and have no income from a legitimate job, what help would they give me? Thanks. Well our dear old French cousins, don't send Roma's home with their vehicle and caravan and a pocket full of cash oh no, they crush the car and caravan and send them home on a plane with **** all else. The court of european/human rights means **** all over here in France, it appears to me only Britain adheres to it as it does to most european laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683271" data-time="1355784191"><p> <br /> Well our dear old French cousins, don't send Roma's home with their vehicle and caravan and a pocket full of cash oh no, they crush the car and caravan and send them home on a plane with **** all else. The court of european/human rights means **** all over here in France, it appears to me only Britain adheres to it as it does to most european laws.</p></blockquote> Ah but Romas are not officially Romanians either, and don't really have somewhere to return to. Hated in Romania, and would seem hated in the rest of Europe as well. So not sure what crushing their only possessions will do, apart from give them even more reasons to leave Romania. Ah well, they will probably end up in the UK, maybe stealing a frenchy car on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Its a year from now actually, I did mistakenly write 2 week in other thread, but its another year too, phew. but they will have the same rights as all the EU member states, so in effect come and go as you please. That gives us a year to get out of the European Union project - definately achievable especially if all our European Unionist voters can be executed for treason prior to any referendum on coming out of the EU project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683271" data-time="1355784191"><p> <br /> Well our dear old French cousins, don't send Roma's home with their vehicle and caravan and a pocket full of cash oh no, they crush the car and caravan and send them home on a plane with **** all else. The court of european/human rights means **** all over here in France, it appears to me only Britain adheres to it as it does to most european laws.</p></blockquote> Ah but Romas are not officially Romanians either, and don't really have somewhere to return to. Hated in Romania, and would seem hated in the rest of Europe as well. So not sure what crushing their only possessions will do, apart from give them even more reasons to leave Romania. Ah well, they will probably end up in the UK, maybe stealing a frenchy car on the way I appreciate that Romas aren't strictly Romanian, I was making a point about treatment of undesirables. The point of crushing their caravans and cars is so as they do not return, in Britain they are given cash put on a ferry and come back on the return tide having had a nice day out and made a profit. 10 years ago I was watching the french news and it was about the Sangat camp where mainly eastern europeans were trying to get to Britain. Many were interviewed and actually said they had been offered access to french benefits and had refused them because they wanted to go to Britain. The french are well aware of their illegal population of immigrants and keep them in check by fear of return from whence they came, after the riots several years ago they rounded up and filled about 10 planes of illegals and sent them home and then told the rest of them behave or you are next. Edit:- one thing is for sure, Abu Qatada wouldn't have been in france in a £450k property at the tax payers expense, he would have shifted back to Jordan 10 years ago before he even spoke to a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683282" data-time="1355785043"><p> <br /> I appreciate that Romas aren't strictly Romanian, I was making a point about treatment of undesirables. The point of crushing their caravans and cars is so as they do not return, in Britain they are given cash put on a ferry and come back on the return tide having had a nice day out and made a profit.<br /> <br /> 10 years ago I was watching the french news and it was about the Sangat camp where mainly eastern europeans were trying to get to Britain. Many were interviewed and actually said they had been offered access to french benefits and had refused them because they wanted to go to Britain.<br /> <br /> The french are well aware of their illegal population of immigrants and keep them in check by fear of return from whence they came, after the riots several years ago they rounded up and filled about 10 planes of illegals and sent them home and then told the rest of them behave or you are next.</p></blockquote> Thing is they are not illegals, they are entitled to live in the UK, just not to claim benefits or work. I am sure that is the same in France. Then if they can get a student visa, they can work x hours a week legally. By staying in France or UK they have done nothing illegal... Until they attempt to work! I guarantee crushing their belongings does not stop them coming back, life there is worth the attempts to leave. Western police do not make you disappear like Romanian and Moldovan who don't get their extortion money. Deportation back makes no difference what so ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683282" data-time="1355785043"><p> <br /> I appreciate that Romas aren't strictly Romanian, I was making a point about treatment of undesirables. The point of crushing their caravans and cars is so as they do not return, in Britain they are given cash put on a ferry and come back on the return tide having had a nice day out and made a profit.<br /> <br /> 10 years ago I was watching the french news and it was about the Sangat camp where mainly eastern europeans were trying to get to Britain. Many were interviewed and actually said they had been offered access to french benefits and had refused them because they wanted to go to Britain.<br /> <br /> The french are well aware of their illegal population of immigrants and keep them in check by fear of return from whence they came, after the riots several years ago they rounded up and filled about 10 planes of illegals and sent them home and then told the rest of them behave or you are next.</p></blockquote> Thing is they are not illegals, they are entitled to live in the UK, just to claim benefits or work. I am sure that is the same in France. Then if they can get a student visa, they can work x hours a week legally. By staying in France or UK they have done nothing illegal... Until they attempt to work! I guarantee crushing their belongings does not stop them coming back, life there is worth the attempts to leave. and I guarantee, I couldn't give a **** what the eu law say, france does not adhere to them and never have, whether they are illegal or not and I will guarantee something else, the ones sent home will not try to set up camp in france again, they will be setting up camps in Britain and being hand fed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683289" data-time="1355785824"><p> <br /> and I guarantee, I couldn't give a **** what the eu law say, france does not adhere to them and never have, whether they are illegal or not and I will guarantee something else, the ones sent home will not try to set up camp in france again, they will be setting up camps in Britain and being hand fed.</p></blockquote> That maybe, but it won't stop them going to Italy, France UK Germany Holland etc. Unfortunately it is not the ones that get sent home that are the problem. It is the gangs that are already in said countries, drug running, child prostitution and the like. They are the problems and the governments in France UK etc etc do nothing about this true scourge. They do the easy deportations to appease the likes of you and I. The real scum are as happy as Larry in both countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683289" data-time="1355785824"><p> <br /> and I guarantee, I couldn't give a **** what the eu law say, france does not adhere to them and never have, whether they are illegal or not and I will guarantee something else, the ones sent home will not try to set up camp in france again, they will be setting up camps in Britain and being hand fed.</p></blockquote> That maybe, but it won't stop them going to Italy, France UK Germany Holland etc. Unfortunately it is not the ones that get sent home that are the problem. It is the gangs that are already in said countries, drug running, child prostitution and the like. They are the problems and the governments in France UK etc etc do nothing about this true scourge. They do the easy deportations to appease the likes of you and I. The real scum are as happy as Larry in both countries. Deportations from Britain really?, you probably got more chance of winning the lottery than being deported from Britain once the legal profession get involved, again here in france that is not allowed to happen they are just deported, france openly flaunts human rights when it comes to deportation, Britain cannot even deport ******* terrorists, my point is Britain plays by the rules france does not and never will even a socialist france. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Romanians get a bad name on the basis of the gypsy minority there being behind various low-level crime and begging scams in Western Europe. Actual ethnic Romanians loathe being tarred with the same brush - when they are behind very little criminality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683295" data-time="1355787025"><p> <br /> Deportations from Britain really?, you probably got more chance of winning the lottery than being deported from Britain once the legal profession get involved, again here in france that is not allowed to happen they are just deported, france openly flaunts human rights when it comes to deportation, Britain cannot even deport ******* terrorists, my point is Britain plays by the rules france does not and never will even a socialist france.</p></blockquote> If that is the case, why is France riddled with North Africans. It should be harder for them to stay rather than EU members, yet France is riddled with north African ghettos that the police won't even enter. To me again, sounds like the French like to put ona publicity stunt when it comes to immigration, just for those who want to listen or believe what is in the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateean2 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Can any of them play centre half?Can any of them play centre half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Esmond Million's Bung" data-cid="1683295" data-time="1355787025"><p> <br /> Deportations from Britain really?, you probably got more chance of winning the lottery than being deported from Britain once the legal profession get involved, again here in france that is not allowed to happen they are just deported, france openly flaunts human rights when it comes to deportation, Britain cannot even deport ******* terrorists, my point is Britain plays by the rules france does not and never will even a socialist france.</p></blockquote> If that is the case, why is France riddled with North Africans. It should be harder for them to stay rather than EU members, yet France is riddled with north African ghettos that the police won't even enter. To me again, sounds like the French like to put ona publicity stunt when it comes to immigration, just for those who want to listen or believe what is in the papers. Well i'm afraid to say once more you are wrong. it is true about the north african ghettos, however as I said before they are well aware that the CRS will enter and random mass repatriations will occur if they step to far out of line, something the manly illegal north african population are only well aware of and it just about keeps a lid on those areas. The catalyst for the Roma deportations was a mass 2 week annual festival of illegal french Romas in the summer in southern france. From being mainly trouble free over a period of 2 years it had descended into chaos and a crime fest, they were originally warned that here would be consequences if it continued and three years ago a small village was trashed and several gendarmes were injured and since then the french have repatriated somewhere in the order of 30,000 romas hardly a publicity stunt and most importantly they are moved before any legal challenge can be made i.e.. without warning. Also I can tell you when a gypsy encampment appears overnight in a lay by, field or even sometimes a supermarket car park, the police tell them they have 48 maximum to move on and they are further told they will be responsible for any mess and or damage that they make and believe me the area they have used is cleaned before they move on to the enth degree, if not they will be fined on the spot (and the police here don't give you a piece of paper and let you move on, it's cash or nothing, believe me just get yourself stopped for speeding) and the fine is hefty. I am not saying I agree or that it's perfect but the last paragraph is one of the most contentious issues regarding the UK perception of travelers, the time and cost it takes to move them, the damage, the disgusting mess that they leave and guess who pays for that?, the British tax payer once more, perhaps if in the UK we had made travelers more responsible for their actions then they would not be so reviled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well i'm afraid to say once more you are wrong. it is true about the north african ghettos, however as I said before they are well aware that the CRS will enter and random mass repatriations will occur if they step to far out of line, something the manly illegal north african population are only well aware of and it just about keeps a lid on those areas. The catalyst for the Roma deportations was a mass 2 week annual festival of illegal french Romas in the summer in southern france. From being mainly trouble free over a period of 2 years it had descended into chaos and a crime fest, they were originally warned that here would be consequences if it continued and three years ago a small village was trashed and several gendarmes were injured and since then the french have repatriated somewhere in the order of 30,000 romas hardly a publicity stunt and most importantly they are moved before any legal challenge can be made i.e.. without warning. Also I can tell you when a gypsy encampment appears overnight in a lay by, field or even sometimes a supermarket car park, the police tell them they have 48 maximum to move on and they are further told they will be responsible for any mess and or damage that they make and believe me the area they have used is cleaned before they move on to the enth degree, if not they will be fined on the spot (and the police here don't give you a piece of paper and let you move on, it's cash or nothing, believe me just get yourself stopped for speeding) and the fine is hefty. I am not saying I agree or that it's perfect but the last paragraph is one of the most contentious issues regarding the UK perception of travelers, the time and cost it takes to move them, the damage, the disgusting mess that they leave and guess who pays for that?, the British tax payer once more, perhaps if in the UK we had made travelers more responsible for their actions then they would not be so reviled. Well, from what my mate reports back, he has lived in Marseille all his life, there are areas of no go in Both marseille and Paris, the French Police will not enter the centre of the very worst areas as they are too dangerous, all deportation comes arond the outter edges of these areas, they are basically little Algeria. if you are not welcome in, you are not getting in, and that includes police. As for gypsies making a mess, from waht I see in te UK, the ones makeing the mess are the irish travellers and the like, not the roma Gypsies, which you see very little of. That said, I wish there were more immediate action for removving these peple from public ad private ground, much like the french do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Well, from what my mate reports back, he has lived in Marseille all his life, there are areas of no go in Both marseille and Paris, the French Police will not enter the centre of the very worst areas as they are too dangerous, all deportation comes arond the outter edges of these areas, they are basically little Algeria. if you are not welcome in, you are not getting in, and that includes police. As for gypsies making a mess, from waht I see in te UK, the ones makeing the mess are the irish travellers and the like, not the roma Gypsies, which you see very little of. That said, I wish there were more immediate action for removving these peple from public ad private ground, much like the french do. Marseille much like Corsica have always been pretty much a law unto themselves, Paris is different and believe me the police/CRS do go into these areas when they deem it necessary, I do have a fair bit of personal experience and Northern Paris is a depressing place and is huge the drive from Charles de Gaule airpot into central paris takes at least 45 minutes and is just ghetto land and does not improve until you pass the Stade de France, in fact if you take the metro you get an even harsher view of the depressing landscape. The main railway station the Gare de nord is just inside this part of paris but I have to say walking around the is no better or worse than central london and I certainly didn't feel in any way intimidated. As you get to the outskirts of northern paris and closer to central paris, there used to be many makeshift ramshackle tents and cardboard boxed areas under the overhead railway lines, where many eastern europeans stayed before their final journey to one of the ports in their quest to get to Britain because believe me that is their only goal in life and there has to be a reason why these people pass through several countries with the sole intention of trying to make it to Britain and I suspect most Britons and you know why, temporary soup kitchens had been set up, but I have say walking through this area was one of the most upsetting things I have seen in my life, hundreds of desperate people but not a hint of trouble or begging again completely safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City's Defence!! Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I personally dont understand why we dont deport those extreme terrorists to Jordan. I read somewhere a couple of months ago that there was a simular guy in Italy. The Italians just sent him to Jordan to face justice. When the EU said they were going to fine them. The prime minister said to them get in the queue. It just seems to me are country trys to please everyone but life isnt like that. Gone are the days when they listened to the majority know it see the minority gets a major say. Sometimes i wish are goverment i dont mean just the tories the labour goverment were just as bad if some of these people needed to be deported to Jordan get rid of them. EU is a total joke imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I personally dont understand why we dont deport those extreme terrorists to Jordan. I read somewhere a couple of months ago that there was a simular guy in Italy. The Italians just sent him to Jordan to face justice. When the EU said they were going to fine them. The prime minister said to them get in the queue. It just seems to me are country trys to please everyone but life isnt like that. Gone are the days when they listened to the majority know it see the minority gets a major say. Sometimes i wish are goverment i dont mean just the tories the labour goverment were just as bad if some of these people needed to be deported to Jordan get rid of them. EU is a total joke imo That is exactly the point I am trying to make, within the eu there are laws + the human rights act and Britain is the only country in the eu that adheres to all these laws and human rights act, the rest of the eu openly flaunts them and acts within their own national interests and nobody does **** all about it. The reason is simple in Britain the legal profession holds far too much power and are protected by the legions of failed lawyers who are now mp's and the whole thing is a corrupt gravy train and paid for once more by the british public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Marseille much like Corsica have always been pretty much a law unto themselves, Paris is different and believe me the police/CRS do go into these areas when they deem it necessary, I do have a fair bit of personal experience and Northern Paris is a depressing place and is huge the drive from Charles de Gaule airpot into central paris takes at least 45 minutes and is just ghetto land and does not improve until you pass the Stade de France, in fact if you take the metro you get an even harsher view of the depressing landscape. The main railway station the Gare de nord is just inside this part of paris but I have to say walking around the is no better or worse than central london and I certainly didn't feel in any way intimidated. As you get to the outskirts of northern paris and closer to central paris, there used to be many makeshift ramshackle tents and cardboard boxed areas under the overhead railway lines, where many eastern europeans stayed before their final journey to one of the ports in their quest to get to Britain because believe me that is their only goal in life and there has to be a reason why these people pass through several countries with the sole intention of trying to make it to Britain and I suspect most Britons and you know why, temporary soup kitchens had been set up, but I have say walking through this area was one of the most upsetting things I have seen in my life, hundreds of desperate people but not a hint of trouble or begging again completely safe. Strange one really. Not sure why the choices for Romanians and Moldovans are Italy or UK, UK makes sense as we are a soft touch,but Italy? maybe culturally they are similar. Algerians in In france makes sence as they speak french, like many North African countries that were colonised by the French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Strange one really. Not sure why the choices for Romanians and Moldovans are Italy or UK, UK makes sense as we are a soft touch,but Italy? maybe culturally they are similar. Algerians in In france makes sence as they speak french, like many North African countries that were colonised by the French. Romanian is a latin language. The population considers themselves descendants from both ancient Dacians and Roman settlers, and definitely not Slavs. Italian is probably a much easier language to learn for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's true that there are a number of Romanians in Italy, like the Polish here they have occupied low paid service jobs. Roma won't be tolerated, especially in the north. In regards to the Paris ghettos, the train rode from De Gualle reminds me of the train ride to City 17 in Half Life 2. Paris is a frightening shit hole after dark. Possibly the most intimidated I've been at and England game. Why so many Africans? Well the French gave all their subjects citizenship when their colonies broke up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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