Louis Carey Quote

[Kid in the Riot]

Bristol City defender Louis Carey: "I would say the players here have learned more in the last week than in the previous 12 months."

Pretty damning. But without going over old ground in regard to McInnes it's good to hear O'Driscoll seems to be getting through to the players, let's hope we see the evidence on the pitch.

Sauce: https://twitter.com/thetalkofsport

[Aizoon]

H'mm. That confirms my suspicion that the players didn't understand a word McInnes said

[BCFC101]

Was about to post that. Very interesting to see it from Louis. Not someone I would expect to say something like that.

[Andy082005]

H'mm. That confirms my suspicion that the players didn't understand a word McInnes said

Sorry but for me, it looks as if yet again, these players have cost a man his job. I find it to much of a coincidence that these players, for the last three managers (not including Coppell), have had a spell where they look like they could not even compete at a Sunday level. At the end of Johnsons, Millens and Dels reign...they were playing like they did not care.

Similar quotes were coming out this time 13 months ago when McInnes took charge.....I can remember quotes about the training being a "different class". Two face back stabbing when things arnt going certain individuals ways....not to mentioning kissing the new bosses ass. I take them with a pinch of salt and a word or warning to SOD..."watch your back"

[Frank Reynolds]

Sorry but for me, it looks as if yet again, these players have cost a man his job. I find it to much of a coincidence that these players, for the last three managers (not including Coppell), have had a spell where they look like they could not even compete at a Sunday level. At the end of Johnsons, Millens and Dels reign...they were playing like they did not care.

Similar quotes were coming out this time 13 months ago when McInnes took charge.....I can remember quotes about the training being a "different class". Two face back stabbing when things arnt going certain individuals ways....not to mentioning kissing the new bosses ass. I take them with a pinch of salt and a word or warning to SOD..."watch your back"

It'd difficult to determine whether they're just giving lip service to a new manager, or whether you're right. I tend to think you're absolutely right.

[eskay]

It'd difficult to determine whether they're just giving lip service to a new manager, or whether you're right. I tend to think you're absolutely right.

I agree as well, all of those players should be shown the door.

[alandicks]

Yes we have heard comments similiar to this before.

I know he has been loyal,to a point,but Johnson,Coppell,Millen and McInnes all had Louis with them.I think they should have let him go at the end of last season.Even in amateur football a long serving player can hold more wait in the changing room than some managers !!

[bearded_red]

If you take the quote above on it's own then yes Louis appears to have taken one hell of a swipe at the previous manager. However if you read the entire article on the post website he is actually talking about the ways in which O'Driscoll is rather unique in how he manages (coaches) a football team.

"Sean O'Driscoll is totally different from anyone I have worked with before.

"I work on a lot of the mental aspects of playing sport myself these days and he has come in and stressed the importance of paying attention, learning and taking things on board.

"He has shown us a different way of looking at football, something I don't think any of us have experienced before.

"As an approach to the game, it is intriguing and very different and it could help us get out of trouble this season.

"He encourages you to think differently about things and there are things that happen in a game that he would interpret differently from anyone else.

"It is a different angle and something the lads should all be open to. It is not so much about what you do as how you think about the game."

As always you need to take any quotes from players about a new manager with a pinch of salt, but these quotes from Carey today do more to confirm what we already know in that SO'D has a rather different aproach in the way he coaches a team than they do in criticising McInnes.

However I wouldn't want to get in the way of the 'Louis Carey holds too much weight in the dressing room' rumours as some clearly have so much fun dealing in them.

[Kid in the Riot]

Sorry but for me, it looks as if yet again, these players have cost a man his job. I find it to much of a coincidence that these players, for the last three managers (not including Coppell), have had a spell where they look like they could not even compete at a Sunday level. At the end of Johnsons, Millens and Dels reign...they were playing like they did not care.

Similar quotes were coming out this time 13 months ago when McInnes took charge.....I can remember quotes about the training being a "different class". Two face back stabbing when things arnt going certain individuals ways....not to mentioning kissing the new bosses ass. I take them with a pinch of salt and a word or warning to SOD..."watch your back"

Come on, McInnes lost his job my putting out poorly organised teams, by constantly changing formations and personnel, and failing to recruit in the right areas in the summer.

Carey was given a new contract by McInnes, if Carey and other senior players were to blame for McInnes departure then more fool him. Carey has always given 100% in a red shirt as far as I'm concerned.

[Guest Swindon8er]

Why take notice of anything the players say in public, they told us how they turned the corner 3 or 4 times over the last 2 months.

[Kid in the Riot]

If you take the quote above on it's own then yes Louis appears to have taken one hell of a swipe at the previous manager. However if you read the entire article on the post website he is actually talking about the ways in which O'Driscoll is rather unique in how he manages (coaches) a football team.

"Sean O'Driscoll is totally different from anyone I have worked with before.

"I work on a lot of the mental aspects of playing sport myself these days and he has come in and stressed the importance of paying attention, learning and taking things on board.

"He has shown us a different way of looking at football, something I don't think any of us have experienced before.

"As an approach to the game, it is intriguing and very different and it could help us get out of trouble this season.

"He encourages you to think differently about things and there are things that happen in a game that he would interpret differently from anyone else.

"It is a different angle and something the lads should all be open to. It is not so much about what you do as how you think about the game."

As always you need to take any quotes from players about a new manager with a pinch of salt, but these quotes from Carey today do more to confirm what we already know in that SO'D has a rather different aproach in the way he coaches a team than they do in criticising McInnes.

However I wouldn't want to get in the way of the 'Louis Carey holds too much weight in the dressing room' rumours as some clearly have so much fun dealing in them.

Fair enough, I'd assumed it was a quote for the BBC not taken from a Post article. The full quote:

He told The Post: "You take note and you learn from all managers. But I would say the players here have learned more in the last week than in the previous 12 months.

Still arguably says as much about McInnes as it does O'Driscoll, otherwise why mention 12 months?

[bearded_red]

Fair enough, I'd assumed it was a quote for the BBC not taken from a Post article. The full quote:

Still arguably says as much about McInnes as it does O'Driscoll, otherwise why mention 12 months?

Of course reading between the lines you assume that McInnes taught them next to nothing on the training field, I was just pointing out that he wasn't having a baseless swipe at our previous manager and there was some substance to what he was getting at by 'the players have learned'.

[alandicks]

I don't disagree that Carey always gives his all but inside the changing room he could negate that by comments made about managers

[Sargent Pepper]

If you take the quote above on it's own then yes Louis appears to have taken one hell of a swipe at the previous manager. However if you read the entire article on the post website he is actually talking about the ways in which O'Driscoll is rather unique in how he manages (coaches) a football team.

"Sean O'Driscoll is totally different from anyone I have worked with before.

"I work on a lot of the mental aspects of playing sport myself these days and he has come in and stressed the importance of paying attention, learning and taking things on board.

"He has shown us a different way of looking at football, something I don't think any of us have experienced before.

"As an approach to the game, it is intriguing and very different and it could help us get out of trouble this season.

"He encourages you to think differently about things and there are things that happen in a game that he would interpret differently from anyone else.

"It is a different angle and something the lads should all be open to. It is not so much about what you do as how you think about the game."

As always you need to take any quotes from players about a new manager with a pinch of salt, but these quotes from Carey today do more to confirm what we already know in that SO'D has a rather different aproach in the way he coaches a team than they do in criticising McInnes.

However I wouldn't want to get in the way of the 'Louis Carey holds too much weight in the dressing room' rumours as some clearly have so much fun dealing in them.

Why let facts get in the way of a good old witch hunt?

[i hate you butler]

I don't disagree that Carey always gives his all but inside the changing room he could negate that by comments made about managers

fair point but those managers are'nt here anymore

maybe just maybe dris can be the missing link

[bcfcnick]

In a game of cliches and interviews that go through the motions let's not have a go at a player who has given a bit of insightful analysis and encouragement about the new manager. I think it underlines that SO'D is a bit different and Louis goes into detail why. Louis genuinely cares about the Club so I don't think the cynicism is justified.

I remember David James and whole load of players saying what a good bloke and manager Derek McIness was but that's because he comes across so well and is personable - there wasn't any substance to his comments other that DM comes across as articulate and intelligent and that would appeal to DJ although the two don't automatically equate to 'good football manager'.

With SO'D it looks as if there is substance on the training ground that justifies the feeling that we have a good manager who will, ultimately, take us forward over the next few years even if we go one step back this season before we start to progress. Hopefully that initial one step back can be avoided and there are is still a chance of escape.

[Guest CumbrianRed]

In a game of cliches and interviews that go through the motions let's not have a go at a player who has given a bit of insightful analysis and encouragement about the new manager. I think it underlines that SO'D is a bit different and Louis goes into detail why. Louis genuinely cares about the Club so I don't think the cynicism is justified.

I remember David James and whole load of players saying what a good bloke and manager Derek McIness was but that's because he comes across so well and is personable - there wasn't any substance to his comments other that DM comes across as articulate and intelligent and that would appeal to DJ although the two don't automatically equate to 'good football manager'.

With SO'D it looks as if there is substance on the training ground that justifies the feeling that we have a good manager who will, ultimately, take us forward over the next few years even if we go one step back this season before we start to progress. Hopefully that initial one step back can be avoided and there are is still a chance of escape.

Well said.

The interview was also reported on the club website yesterday. I think all it shows is SO'D brings a very different approach on the training ground. Ad if he can get the players to think about what they're doing before they do it, we might actually get somewhere. If Louis says he learned more from SO'D in a week than he did in the last 12 months, I think he's just impressed with SO'D, not slagging off Del. And if the truth hurts, tough - look at the league table.

[marmite]

I look forward to the new approach on Saturday. I certainly didn't like the old way!

[Jordan Tansley]

If you take the quote above on it's own then yes Louis appears to have taken one hell of a swipe at the previous manager. However if you read the entire article on the post website he is actually talking about the ways in which O'Driscoll is rather unique in how he manages (coaches) a football team.

"Sean O'Driscoll is totally different from anyone I have worked with before.

"I work on a lot of the mental aspects of playing sport myself these days and he has come in and stressed the importance of paying attention, learning and taking things on board.

"He has shown us a different way of looking at football, something I don't think any of us have experienced before.

"As an approach to the game, it is intriguing and very different and it could help us get out of trouble this season.

"He encourages you to think differently about things and there are things that happen in a game that he would interpret differently from anyone else.

"It is a different angle and something the lads should all be open to. It is not so much about what you do as how you think about the game."

As always you need to take any quotes from players about a new manager with a pinch of salt, but these quotes from Carey today do more to confirm what we already know in that SO'D has a rather different aproach in the way he coaches a team than they do in criticising McInnes.

However I wouldn't want to get in the way of the 'Louis Carey holds too much weight in the dressing room' rumours as some clearly have so much fun dealing in them.

It's amazing what applying some context to a comment will do...

[i hate you butler]

I look forward to the new approach on Saturday. I certainly didn't like the old way!

think what we'll see is players in their natural positions playing to their strengths and maybe more shape to the side

not expecting Barcelona type play at all

[Frank Reynolds]

Why let facts get in the way of a good old witch hunt?

Why let a hitherto well reasoned argument get in the way of having a dig at other fans? ;-)

[bemmyredjeff]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

[i hate you butler]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

still our best defender though jeff

will be getting my applause as and when

[glynriley]

think what we'll see is players in their natural positions playing to their strengths and maybe more shape to the side

not expecting Barcelona type play at all

And some effort would be nice. That Leicester performance was as bad as I've ever seen for a lack of it.

[Red-Robbo]

I agree as well, all of those players should be shown the door.

All those players who haven't been playing well?

Well, that's 95% of our first team then.

Guess we'll be playing a line-up on Saturday of Baldock; Davies; Kelly, Bryan, Reid and Anderson in mf and, er, Carey in defence. I guess Lewis C can go in goal too. A 1-4-2 line-up, interesting.

Nothing to do with player's plots - all to do with managerial incompetence.

[Andy Horsman]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

??? Leech? Louis Carey?! Sorry mister but you are in a very tiny minority there

[Maltshoveller]

still our best defender though jeff

will be getting my applause as and when

And there is our big problem

[Maltshoveller]

??? Leech? Louis Carey?! Sorry mister but you are in a very tiny minority there

I for one agree with him

Been at the club 2 seasons to long

Leech is unfair though

[Aizoon]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

You, sir are a total rissole. Presumably, you prefer the younger players who have demonstrated that they know nothing about the club and care less. Louis has given more to this club than you will ever give to anything, except possibly to your beer gut.

[Robbored]

Carey's quote is nothing more than a not very well concealed cover for the performances the entire squad. Bottom line is that they are all professional footballers who should at least understand the basics of how to play structured football.It is their job after all.

If Carey is saying he's learn new stuff then I'm really surprised given how long he's been a pro and the number of managers he's played under. You'd think he's seen and done it all in his career.

[Bowie]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

Best Defender at the Club and when fit the first name on the team sheet for the back 4.

Ok, it's part of the problem that he's our best defender despite his failings and despite the fact he's past his best, but surely it's the fault of the manager for not signing defenders who are not of a better ability.

The comments from a number of senior players stating that they felt the team lack organistation summed up what many fans thought of McInnes, so it's ok for the fans to say it, but it's not ok when the players agree that the last manager couldn't organise the team.

[Robin1988]

One of many bad mistakes that McInnes made giving Carey a new contract.

I for one still hope that he doesn't beat Atyeo's record and if he doe's I certainly won't be showing my appreciation.

One of many leeches still sucking the life and soul out of this club.

What a ridiculous statement. If you think of the one player in our defence who has actually got stuck in and put himself about in our defence this season it's Carey. The only defender to come out with a shred of credibility in a number of games this season.

[screech]

Can't understand why there are fans of this club who have a pop at Carey. He has always given his best for the club, he's given an honest assessment of his first full week working with O'Driscoll and is just explaining how refreshing his coaching methods are compared to what he has had in the past.

A lot of us I'm sure, would welcome a change in management at our own jobs once in a while to freshen things up.

[Strictly Obi]

Carey's quote is nothing more than a not very well concealed cover for the performances the entire squad. Bottom line is that they are all professional footballers who should at least understand the basics of how to play structured football.It is their job after all.

If Carey is saying he's learn new stuff then I'm really surprised given how long he's been a pro and the number of managers he's played under. You'd think he's seen and done it all in his career.

Exactly, most of our defenders this season have been making pretty basic error's. They've all been playing football since they were 10 or 11yrs, they should at least 'as you say' get the basics right.

McInnes for all his failings never made them poor players! No, this for me is nothing more than the ramblings of a decent pro (Carey) acknowledging that perhaps 'O'driscolls' new training technique is somewhat different than he has experienced in the past.

Our turn around in fortunes, will be as much dependent though on bringing in the right new players with the right attitude as Sod's training techniques!

[Garland-sweden]

Dont put so much what Carey said. A new gaffer and I think its naturally that he and the other players, most of them, are positive. The new manager maybe is the right one and can make progress with City. Still many games to play. Hope that OD can make the team as fighting unit, hard work and hard work then a little bit of luck.

[screech]

Exactly, most of our defenders this season have been making pretty basic error's. They've all been playing football since they were 10 or 11yrs, they should at least 'as you say' get the basics right.

McInnes for all his failings never made them poor players! No, this for me is nothing more than the ramblings of a decent pro (Carey) acknowledging that perhaps 'O'driscolls' new training technique is somewhat different than he has experienced in the past.

Our turn around in fortunes, will be as much dependent though on bringing in the right new players with the right attitude as Sod's training techniques!

Decent players who were going into games with their managers instructions, a manager who constantly changed the team around regardless of performance, kept players in who were completely out of form.

No matter how good a player you are, if the manager sets the team to play to his instructions, you play to them.

It's up to him to get the best out of his players, which means coaching them into doing the right things, Mcinness lost his way big time, hence the manic team selections.

[Super]

So easy to put all the blame on the manager. Fact is these players have been Gutless for the best part of this season.

[Rob k]

A view from a friend of mine,

Listen to Carey talking to Twentyman in JULY 2012 before the Rovers game.

GT "Best managers you've played under"

LC "John Ward easily the best, then Danny Wilson as he made me skipper & we had a great team spirit, then Joe Jordan cos he gave me my debut. Next is easy The Current gaffer is brilliant - I've never seen a better man manager"

He didn't even mention GJ (who we all know he had a love / hate relationship with)

City through & though but he's not trustworthy Carey - he's like what John Terry is at Chelsea, when it starts going wrong he's the first to put the boot in & twist the knife - starts spreading tales & influencing other players (esp youngsters) that the manager ain't up to it.

Look at the facts ....

Towards the end of their reigns GJ, KM & DMc all dropped Carey - & that ain't just a coincidence. He burns his bridges.

[cheshire_red]

Said it since Jordan left, the players are not street wise in football terms.

[Andy082005]

Carey's quote is nothing more than a not very well concealed cover for the performances the entire squad. Bottom line is that they are all professional footballers who should at least understand the basics of how to play structured football.It is their job after all.

If Carey is saying he's learn new stuff then I'm really surprised given how long he's been a pro and the number of managers he's played under. You'd think he's seen and done it all in his career.

Absolutely spot on.

Your top two lines....have you noticed there has been no responsibility taken by the players......again.

[Andy082005]

You, sir are a total rissole. Presumably, you prefer the younger players who have demonstrated that they know nothing about the club and care less. Louis has given more to this club than you will ever give to anything, except possibly to your beer gut.

Louis Carey has got more OUT of this club then any of us ever will....

....I bet Bemmyred Jeff wouldn't chip off to Coventry if the tickets were better priced either ;-)

Seriously though, I don't trust the bloke.....he should have gone a long time ago

[Robbored]

Absolutely spot on.

Your top two lines....have you noticed there has been no responsibility taken by the players......again.

I've seen or read four City players interviews since McInnes was sacked. Skuse and Anderson on Player and Kilkenny and Carey in the press and not one of them held their hand up to say that they'd been a big part in McInnes's failure.

Dodging responsibility of the highest order.

[bearded_red]

A view from a friend of mine,

Listen to Carey talking to Twentyman in JULY 2012 before the Rovers game.

GT "Best managers you've played under"

LC "John Ward easily the best, then Danny Wilson as he made me skipper & we had a great team spirit, then Joe Jordan cos he gave me my debut. Next is easy The Current gaffer is brilliant - I've never seen a better man manager"

He didn't even mention GJ (who we all know he had a love / hate relationship with)

City through & though but he's not trustworthy Carey - he's like what John Terry is at Chelsea, when it starts going wrong he's the first to put the boot in & twist the knife - starts spreading tales & influencing other players (esp youngsters) that the manager ain't up to it.

Look at the facts ....

Towards the end of their reigns GJ, KM & DMc all dropped Carey - & that ain't just a coincidence. He burns his bridges.

First of all, he was asked who he thought were the best managers he has played under and he answered the question. If he doesn't feel that Johnson was one of the best, admitedly his record and my personal opinion is that he was, then why should he have to say him? It's no wonder that players rarely have anything interesting to say in interviews when little things like this get pounced upon.

Secondly the bit I have put in bold, not even true. Carey started in Johnson's last 18 matches (memorably poor in the Cardiff and Doncaster games to be fair), he had recently got back into the team after starting the season out of it when Millen got the sack and his last start under McInnes came in his penultimate game at Ewood Park. Notably Louis' last start in the league came in a win away at Boro and since then I am lead to believe he has been injured?

And as for comparing Louis to John Terry. Dear oh dear.

[Andy082005]

I've seen or read four City players interviews since McInnes was sacked. Skuse and Anderson on Player and Kilkenny and Carey in the press and not one of them held their hand up to say that they'd been a big part in McInnes's failure.

Dodging responsibility of the highest order.

...yep, I find is disgraceful. I truly believe that they are so deluded, they don't feel like they have done, or are doing nothing, wrong?

Skuse to City fans at Blackburn ...."what's the problem?"

[bearded_red]

Seriously though, I don't trust the bloke.....he should have gone a long time ago

Scott Murray last week, Louis Carey this... It would appear nobody is safe from the wrath of Andy082005.

[glynriley]

Scott Murray last week, Louis Carey this... It would appear nobody is safe from the wrath of Andy082005.

Not sure that Andy is just singling out Carey here. As I read it , it's the whole group of players.May be wrong though.

[Andy082005]

Scott Murray last week, Louis Carey this... It would appear nobody is safe from the wrath of Andy082005.

Haha not quite.

My beef is with a lot of people at that club....not just one or two.

To many players have completely let down the last three managers....and to many have come out of it smelling of roses with slates "wiped clean" like they have done nothing wrong

I for one am fed up with these players getting away with it

[Andy082005]

Not sure that Andy is just singling out Carey here. As I read it , it's the whole group of players.May be wrong though.

Beat me to it

[Rob k]

Haha not quite. My beef is with a lot of people at that club....not just one or two. To many players have completely let down the last three managers....and to many have come out of it smelling of roses with slates "wiped clean" like they have done nothing wrong I for one am fed up with these players getting away with it

100% spot on, some of these players have got away with far to much, they would have been hounded out the club in years gone by.

[tiz]

As with everything in life truth iscso hard to determine. Posturing is smoething i dislike ver much and if this is what Carey is doing I would be really sad. That said if his quotevis true it will shatter much of my opinion of Del. Interesting to see Carey's comments re Del when he was manager. Its possible that Sod is indeed special

[Guest WiltsRobbins]

Say what you want about Carey, But he always always gives 100% when playing for City and just have a look at the stats when ever he is in that back line the defence generally always play better - we'll as good as our back line can be anyhow!

[Andy082005]

100% spot on, some of these players have got away with far to much, they would have been hounded out the club in years gone by.

Certain players are lauded as heroes....I personally feel some of them are snides, and if things don't go their way, like John Terry at Chelsea, they can have a negative influence against the manager that is invisible to us fans.

I can't believe some of the performances these players have been allowed to get away with over the last few years....and it isn't just a few

[Andy082005]

How many players were publicly defending mciness whilst he was at the club? Zero!

How many players are publicly defending mciness now he has gone? Zero!

In 2012 we had 40+ players in the squad yet not one has stepped up to support mciness. That speaks volumes.

Yet this is the manager who publically defended these players to the hilt.

Yes the manager had to go.....but these players are just as responsible, if not more so, then Del

[tiz]

Same players that were so keen to say that del was key to them signing. Del had to go in the end. Sod is king long live the king and all that and he will get my full support, but think Del had something to offer let down by players who were gutless. Any way its onwards and upwards hopefully

[Red-Robbo]

Yet this is the manager who publically defended these players to the hilt.

Yes the manager had to go.....but these players are just as responsible, if not more so, then Del

If you're a manager, you 'manage' people. Not just yes men, but discontented men, truculent men, rebellious men, unconfident men, over-confident men, top-of-their-game men and out-of-form men. You coach, reward, punish, cajole, rotate, and above all motivate and build loyalty. A football manager has to be a personnel manager, not just a tactician.

If you are saying the last three managers couldn't do those things then they weren't 'managing' were they?

[Andy082005]

If you're a manager, you 'manage' people. Not just yes men, but discontented men, truculent men, rebellious men, unconfident men, over-confident men, top-of-their-game men and out-of-form men. You coach, reward, punish, cajole, rotate, and above all motivate and build loyalty. A football manager has to be a personnel manager, not just a tactician.

If you are saying the last three managers couldn't do those things then they weren't 'managing' were they?

I'm aware what it takes to be a manager.....but I'm also aware, and have experienced first hand, how one two faced, influential individual can cause all sorts of problems.

Del started digging his own grave e minute he kept faith in players who he should have frozen out and bombed out a long time ago....Louis Carey being one

[Red-Robbo]

I'm aware what it takes to be a manager.....but I'm also aware, and have experienced first hand, how one two faced, influential individual can cause all sorts of problems.

Del started digging his own grave e minute he kept faith in players who he should have frozen out and bombed out a long time ago....Louis Carey being one

And your evidence for this assertion re Carey is......?

[Robin1988]

Another 'insider' conspiracy theory, yawn

[Andy082005]

And your evidence for this assertion re Carey is......?

Like I said, it's not just Carey....I could name 4 or 5 others who have completely let three managers down, and simply got away with it.

[Red-Robbo]

Like I said, it's not just Carey....I could name 4 or 5 others who have completely let three managers down, and simply got away with it.

If that was true - which is unlikely as Carey has put in generally excellent performances under Mcinnes (I thought the theory was 'play bad to get them the sack') - then it's still the manager's fault for not dealing with it.

You think Ferguson, Clough etc etc etc put up with deliberate under-performance.

If you're a manager, you 'manage' such situations. Same in any industry. It's what you're paid for,

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Come on, McInnes lost his job my putting out poorly organised teams, by constantly changing formations and personnel, and failing to recruit in the right areas in the summer.

Carey was given a new contract by McInnes, if Carey and other senior players were to blame for McInnes departure then more fool him. Carey has always given 100% in a red shirt as far as I'm concerned.

of course you are right, but it's about time that BCFC players removed their heads from their own arses including Carey he and many other players made similar comments throughout DMC's time at the club, but individually and collectively they all let him down and one thing is for sure he was overly protective and loyal to certain players who constantly let him down, unfortunately most footballers don't understand the concept of the word loyalty, once they become comfortable they only care about money and lifestyle, football is not even a hobby to them, it's just turn for training or a game and go through the motions and bank another fat wedge.

Footballers are employees and should be treated as such and not as spoilt ignorant kids, who always get their own way, football needs to change and it needs to become far easier to sack under performing players many of whom in our case have cost 3 managers their jobs.

Beware the ides of march and pale face speak with forked tongue, watch your back Mr SOD if you are going to put your faith in this bunch, is the safest advice.

[Robbored]

If you're a manager, you 'manage' people. Not just yes men, but discontented men, truculent men, rebellious men, unconfident men, over-confident men, top-of-their-game men and out-of-form men. You coach, reward, punish, cajole, rotate, and above all motivate and build loyalty. A football manager has to be a personnel manager, not just a tactician.

If you are saying the last three managers couldn't do those things then they weren't 'managing' were they?

Managers in any job get the best results from their staff when they are respected by them. As much as the players liked McInnes maybe they didn't respect him as a boss and when results were going tits up lost respect for him as a tactician. I often got the impression that McInnes still thought he was playing. He was closer in age to them than all our recent managers and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Millen was a bit older but in a similar position.

Johnson got early success through being a bully but was never respected. A bullying approach never works long term because it eventually turns the players against you, which of course eventually happened

[Andy082005]

If that was true - which is unlikely as Carey has put in generally excellent performances under Mcinnes (I thought the theory was 'play bad to get them the sack') - then it's still the manager's fault for not dealing with it.

You think Ferguson, Clough etc etc etc put up with deliberate under-performance.

If you're a manager, you 'manage' such situations. Same in any industry. It's what you're paid for,

I get where your going with this....and in some instances I agree. Like I said, I blame Del for not learning from previous managers mistakes....

Players like Carey, Fontaine and Skuse....he should never have put himself in a position where he had to manage them, he should have bombed them out ages ago for not being good enough

[Strictly Obi]

It certainly makes you wonder. People in all sorts of careers get the sack, Doctors, nurses, public servants, shop assistants etc. Yet, footballers seem to be untouchable. McInnes had to be sacked, but he shouldn't take sole responsibility for everything!

[Rob k]

Managers in any job get the best results from their staff when they are respected by them. As much as the players liked McInnes maybe they didn't respect him as a boss and when results were going tits up lost respect for him as a tactician. I often got the impression that McInnes still thought he was playing. He was closer in age to them than all our recent managers and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Millen was a bit older but in a similar position. Johnson got early success through being a bully but was never respected. A bullying approach never works long term because it eventually turns the players against you, which of course eventually happened

It would appear GJ had the better approach.

[Red Rag]

Wow Louis. So passing and moving and working as a team has come as a big suprise. I find some of the comments quite stagering

and alarming coming from a Pro footballer. We adopted these tactics week in week out as amatuers. Good help us, we are going to need it.

[redcherryberry]

If that was true - which is unlikely as Carey has put in generally excellent performances under Mcinnes (I thought the theory was 'play bad to get them the sack') - then it's still the manager's fault for not dealing with it.

You think Ferguson, Clough etc etc etc put up with deliberate under-performance.

If you're a manager, you 'manage' such situations. Same in any industry. It's what you're paid for,

This.

Well said Red-Robbo.

[Aizoon]

So easy to put all the blame on the manager. Fact is these players have been Gutless for the best part of this season.

And who's been managing them for the WHOLE season?

[Andy082005]

And who's been managing them for the WHOLE season?

He had to go..but do you seriously not hold these players accountable?

[Kid in the Riot]

Managers in any job get the best results from their staff when they are respected by them. As much as the players liked McInnes maybe they didn't respect him as a boss and when results were going tits up lost respect for him as a tactician. I often got the impression that McInnes still thought he was playing. He was closer in age to them than all our recent managers and I'm not sure that's a good thing. Millen was a bit older but in a similar position.

Johnson got early success through being a bully but was never respected. A bullying approach never works long term because it eventually turns the players against you, which of course eventually happened

Totally agree with the first paragraph. Glad we have an older manager in. Think SOD is the same age as Johnson when he joined us.

Not sure about second paragraph though I know Skuse disliked Johnson. Pretty obvious reason why though.

I also agree that McInnes should not have offered Carey a contract, I get the feeling he wasn't going to until the tears at Burnley. Going on Andy082005s theory those could have been crocodile tears!