chalky Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Any news or info from any of those who attended? What did the initial pictures designs look like etc. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 What meeting was that? Havent heard anything mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Taken from ziderheads forum posted by TTO: The first point I'll make is that tonight's meeting confirmed that NOTHING has been decided and there are no sacred cows or things set down in tablets of stone. That doesn't mean we can ask for sunken swimming pools, underground car parks and pitches in the sky but it does mean that we can get a lot of what fans want at reasonable cost that keeps the club solvent and gives the vast majority the kind of expereince they want.. The club have appointed a firm of Architects who haven't designed any of the modern stadiums that people don't seem to like because they want something that is different and says "Bristol City" Hopefully, that will make it more unique than identikit. It will NOT be a souless bowl or any other kind of bowl and the Architects have gone away from tonights meetings with that clear message ringing in their ears.They will be visiting other grounds to look at what is good and what isn't.The example I gave of what isn't would be The Ricoh. The ideas discussed at tonight's meeting also included: Was a look at where we are, 18,538 capacity and how we grow to 26,083 Where an additional 5,000 fans could be accommodated if we need to in the future.That could mean filling in the two corners of the Atyeo if they are left open on the original redevelopment. They have appointed a leading acoustics expert to ensure that the design makes noise stay inside the ground The stands will be close to the pitch-No running track Players Tunnel moved back into The Williams. The current thinking is that the stands will have different roof heights Safe Standing has not yet been agreed by the FA/FL however the club will champion that initiative and the Architects will incorporate that into any proposal It will incorporate screen/screens and things like Wi-Fi The Procurement (Tendering etc) will be carried out by Capita Symonds.Clearly, you can't appoint a builder or put a tender in place without a proper,confirmed design. Restaurants & Catering will be quicker and radically improved in terms of service & quality. Wider consulation of the fans will be carried out when there is something for those fans to consider in detail. Discussions with Police will determine how away fans are accommodated and arrive/leave AG The architects would like suggestions for iconic images-I suggested a John Atyeo Statue as has been suggested previously They will look a different lighting to accommodate Football & Rugby The pitch will be widened for Rugby and if a World Cup game of Rubgy was held at AG, we would currently have to close the Dolman because of the lack of a "run off" Stands will have exit/entry from the rear. Exec Boxes will be in The Williams which would be the biggest stand given current thinking Consideration will be given to the location of a Family Stand away from the EE and any EE Exec Boxes would be carefully positioned to avoid issue with a SS/Singing Areas/Flags. Planning may include stipulations regarding employment, sustainability.AV did, Building Regs obviously apply as do HSE & FA/FL Rules. The Bristol City Shop & Museum would be just that. Ensure segregation can be altered on a game by game basis (No large areas of empty seats ala the EE most matchdays. Blank canvas in EE concourse for fans art work as done in the current EE if fans wished to. Would look at a flag storage room for fans. Possible a bar/fun box idea in the new EE. David lloyd is open to a Eastenders seperate stadium meeting which could include the supporters club and trust if people wish but it would be like the last EE meeting with fans invited inside the time line of designing as some fans have been requesting. If safe standing was introduced open to talks on best area in the stand. Now, these are ideas and this list isn't exhaustive but it does show that ALL reasonable suggestions are open to consideration providing they can be delivered within a sensible budget and regulations. You can either feed ideas in via the FP (The club can give you a list of Reps for various stands, supporters groups etc) or you can e mail Dave Lloyd directly yourselves if you prefer. David lloyd will be the conduit for this phase of communication with the Architects/Designers/Specialists. There will be another 3-4 meetings of this commitee and the Architects will work on a design that matches all the suggestions that they went away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Some really good ideas. All very positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 bare in mind none of this could happen at all if we win in oct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 bare in mind none of this could happen at all if we win in oct Yes it is still a plan B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 This all sounds very posiitive and thanks to CH for posting. The 'run off' on the Dolman side sounds odd given that the stands will be close to the pitch all around. Wouldn't the distance be the same all around if there is no running track? Sorry for asking a daft question if the answer is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcsouth Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I dont want AV, i want a redone ashton gate now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 So the talk of everything being decided was utter bollocks then. What a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Joe Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 I dont want AV, i want a redone ashton gate now! think alot of people will want plan b to go ahead now, a brand new stadium would be nice but i also like the ideal of a revamped gate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 So the external development images previous released are in fact wrong if the roofs of each stand are different heights? TBH, I'd prefer a joined up effect so that fans are all together, not split out across different non-joined up stands or multiple tiers. However my biggest gripe is the massive empty voids between each of the stands - just look at the massive gap above the club shop, or the space between the Atyeo and the Dolman, or the masses of corrugated metal when the Police box is. If all stands could be joined together(and this can be achieved with different height roofs) , we could bring fans together and yet also avoid a bowl effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 This all sounds very posiitive and thanks to CH for posting. The 'run off' on the Dolman side sounds odd given that the stands will be close to the pitch all around. Wouldn't the distance be the same all around if there is no running track? Sorry for asking a daft question if the answer is obvious. The run off is marginal and not the size of a running track but needed in rugby rules. The pitch and new williams will be moved over slightly to make the space and given the dolman revamp of the seating will be altered to suite, it's the size of the pitch area to be made slightly bigger. The current lower dolman seating design for rugby means there is a danger of a player running in to or clattering spectators as the advertising boards would need to be moved further back to try and make the run off space leaving little room between pitch and fans for rugby and with this the lower dolman would be shut for rugby games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 tonight's meeting confirmed that NOTHING has been decided So whats changed then? Pretty much an introduction session to look at ways to canvas fan ideas back to the club and designers and people can do this by emailing David lloyd their ideas or concerns as well as on here and members of the fans parliament, there is also talk of other fan meetings if requested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 The run off is marginal and not the size of a running track but needed in rugby rules. The pitch and new williams will be moved over slightly to make the space and given the dolman revamp of the seating will be altered to suite, it's the size of the pitch area to be made slightly bigger. The current lower dolman seating design for rugby means there is a danger of a player running in to or clattering spectators as the advertising boards would need to be moved further back to try and make the run off space leaving little room between pitch and fans for rugby and with this the lower dolman would be shut for rugby games. That makes sense now. The pitch will be moved slighltly closer to the Dolman so the run off will be less / minimal. Thanks CH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 That makes sense now. The pitch will be moved slighltly closer to the Dolman so the run off will be less / minimal. Thanks CH. And of course the other way towards the williams when rebuilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Would anything be done about the leg space in the Dolman stand. It isn't exactly great at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 It sounds very positive. A long way to go but it does seem that the club is prepared to listen to fans views. I think we need to remember that you can't please all of the people all of the time, so some are bound to be disappointed with the final outcome. If most of the fans concerns are addressed it will be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Are the AG plans likely to be challenged by anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aipearcey Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 So the external development images previous released are in fact wrong if the roofs of each stand are different heights? TBH, I'd prefer a joined up effect so that fans are all together, not split out across different non-joined up stands or multiple tiers. However my biggest gripe is the massive empty voids between each of the stands - just look at the massive gap above the club shop, or the space between the Atyeo and the Dolman, or the masses of corrugated metal when the Police box is. If all stands could be joined together(and this can be achieved with different height roofs) , we could bring fans together and yet also avoid a bowl effect. When it says different heights, the dolman roof and wedlock will join at the same height. The only roof that will be higher is the Williams "a two tier grandstand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Was a look at where we are, 18,538 capacity and how we grow to 26,083 Where an additional 5,000 fans could be accommodated if we need to in the future.That could mean filling in the two corners of the Atyeo if they are left open on the original redevelopment. Can anyone tell us how these discussions went? The Gate at 31K sounds good! I appreciate it's all down to the AV decision BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aipearcey Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Can anyone tell us how these discussions went? The Gate at 31K sounds good! I appreciate it's all down to the AV decision BTW. It was basically said that if it was needed it could be done, but currently it's money that the club doesn't need to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 It was basically said that if it was needed it could be done, but currently it's money that the club doesn't need to spend Fair comment and understandable. Any idea how the 26083 broke down? 5K Dolman, 4.5K Atyeo etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 All sounds very promising - there's an irony to Rugby needing a run off, given that in rugby, no matter where the ball is, if you are in possesion and your feet are over the line, you've taken play off the pitch. In football it's the opposite. I understand why don't worry! Very good to see the club preparing for all eventualities, we may even end up voting on which one to go for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 So what is the absolute maximum capacity we could take the Gate to? 31,000? Its a shame we cant do something with the Atyeo, it is such a poor stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Still want Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Still want Vale. Totally agree Robin but this sounds like a decent plan B to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 if we stay house all away fans in the atyeo and leave it as it is, they can have the crap roof then we we can sound loud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Still want Vale. Ashton Vale leaves me completely cold. I really hope the revamped Ashton Gate prevails, in fact I'd welcome early news the club had made the decision to pull the plug on AV and were determined to get on with AG as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 When it says different heights, the dolman roof and wedlock will join at the same height. The only roof that will be higher is the Williams "a two tier grandstand" I think people are getting the wrong end of the stick regarding the renders released in conjunction with the first news that city were looking at a plan B. They are a basic early conception of how it might look. Nothing more. They might not have even been knocked up by the architects themselves. Dont read too much into them. The only thing which is likely to be accurate is the over sized williams stand, and new east end. The roof structure shared between the EE and Dolman is purely artistic license. I think this is very positive indeed. AV is being slowly but surely edged out of my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puckle_red Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Question regarding the Dolman leg space. I'm pretty sure in the FP meeting the other week that the Dolman seats will be one flat tier rather than the current 2 'levels'. So the walkway will go and the exits/entrance will be half way up the stand in a tunnel-like fashion. Similar to most modern grounds. So the structure is the same but the stand will look completely different inside. Kind of like the Lip being one tier rather than the Holte End being 2...I hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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