Cowshed Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 fair enough your entitled to your opinion, but as someone who goes in the east end regularly now i think boxes would ruin the atmosphere, if you look at most stands that have boxes at the end they have relatively high roofs that let sound out. Imo the complete opposite of what we want, as low as possible roof to help create the kind of atmosphere the east end has at the moment. If you speak to the majority of east enders i beleive they would say something similar. I sincerely also believe that placing boxes behind the goal would ruin what can be an opportunity to preserve something that has been lost elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 boxes at the back of the east end? How long before some suit or suitess, their mother of girlfriend chokes on their prawn sandwich at the lyrical content of the songs? I can see it now "the language was disgusting - I'm not going again - I demand a refund." The club frightened of losing sponsors and corporate guests starts to panic. Next step a quiet word is had with the surveillance team, cameras are trained on people starting sings, notes are taken on faces and behaviours. The snatch squads are then sent in to the stands - fans bounced out of the ground, banned for breaking ground regulations. Result: sound of silence broken with officially endorsed club songs and the faint waft of foam hands pointing at the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 boxes at the back of the east end? How long before some suit or suitess, their mother of girlfriend chokes on their prawn sandwich at the lyrical content of the songs? I can see it now "the language was disgusting - I'm not going again - I demand a refund." The club frightened of losing sponsors and corporate guests starts to panic. Next step a quiet word is had with the surveillance team, cameras are trained on people starting sings, notes are taken on faces and behaviours. The snatch squads are then sent in to the stands - fans bounced out of the ground, banned for breaking ground regulations. Result: sound of silence broken with officially endorsed club songs and the faint waft of foam hands pointing at the future. I sincerely also believe that placing boxes behind the goal would ruin what can be an opportunity to preserve something that has been lost elsewhere. These are points that have been raised when i have spoken to other fans in the ee. Would completely sanatise what the east end is all about in my opinion. Like i said on a previous post we could have all the boxes in the new williams, either in a two tier system like the west stand at spurs, or some at the top of the top tier and some in the middle of the top and bottom. Or some in the corner as well as the sides, any of these i dont mind, just keep them out of the east end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 That is exactly how I imagine a redevloped AG, It even has the restricted stand like the Atyeo due to the road. Looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcsouth Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 That is exactly how I imagine a redevloped AG, It even has the restricted stand like the Atyeo due to the road. Looks great. I like that a lot, but we will never be able to have a Eastend that large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 I guess my major request for the revamp is that the fans are right on top of the pitch. It should be possible to almost touch the players. I once sat at Reading on the front row (in the away end obviously) and could speak to Lita with my views on his upbringing. We need the same at AG/AV ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS34Red Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I represented the Supporters Club & Trust at the consultation meeting and my notes follow. The architects have studied the site and shown that it is viable to redevelop Ashton Gate (AG) as Plan B. It means, whatever the outcome of the Ashton Vale inquiry, plan B would be there to put into effect. Ashton Gate Ltd - the stadium arm of the Club - are aiming to go through the whole process and get planning permission for plan B by the end of 2013. We cannot overstate the importance of this fans consultation because the future of Bristol City is at stake. It is possible that when the AG plans come to fruition then fans will prefer it to plan A. WE URGE ALL FANS TO STUDY THE ISSUE AND MAKE THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN. We are in the first stage now for a few weeks before the next meeting when delegates want to go back with YOUR WISH LIST. Within a month or so, there will be an Ashton Gate survey along the lines of the New Stadium survey we had in 2008. Please study the notes below which answer some of the queries made so far including the estimated capacity of each stand and REPLY WITH YOUR WISH LIST. Many thanks! Notes from consultation meeting 1 The canvas is blank especially stadium interior, images so far are general only, we fans have to provide the ideas. Fan experience has been put at the top of the agenda. Order of consultation is: Fans, staff, business, local community, regional bodies. To pay its way the stadium must be a 365-days-of-the-year venue. The site is big enough for the stadium because it includes the Hirerite area & study centre house. This enables movement of whole pitch from Dolman to Williams by 5 metres to enable revamp of the Dolman. The Dolman can then have access from the rear through vomitories and not from front & sides as now. The Williams replacement will be moved 5m and be a two tier design, the rest will be one tier. The Williams sees the biggest expansion and is the iconic or signature feature we need ideas here especially.Floor 1 Restaurant 340, Lounge 450, shop & museum Floor 2 Directors & Corporates Floor 3 FacilitiesShop, museum (through shop) and pub will be on corner approached along Wedlock Way from Winterstoke Road. Ground floor of Williams fully glazed area ideas wanted so it is not soulless. The Wedlock is historic but must be maximised with vomitory access and boxes at top to bring into 21st century.Acoustics will inevitably be altered but as this is a major issue a specialist in acoustics has been appointed. Acoustics was emphasised as being one of the top three fans concerns along with basic design and capacity. Ground capacity will increase 18,600 ® 27,082: Dolman 6,434 ® 7,1444]Atyeo 4,200 ® 4,249 Wedlock 3,220 ® 4,731 Williams 4,685 ® 9,958 The corners can be filled to assist reverberation if only with wrap materials until fully utilised. The team are aware of the unique nature of each stand and its fans. One way of keeping the identity is to provide safe standing areas at each end of the Wedlock. (There was misunderstanding from one fan that safe standing would reduce capacity but that can be corrected) A continuous concourse could connect the length of the Dolman, through the Wedlock to the length of the Williams.Players facilities move from Atyeo to Williams and players will run out at half-way.Offices move to the Atyeo. All stands and both Williams tiers will have own food and toilet facilities + Wi-Fi. Ideas from other football grounds notably Wolves [action 16 March]. Ricoh cited as bad example. The team is visiting Wolves, Brighton and at least two others to talk with their equivalent teams.Away fans will be in corner of Atyeo and club needs a secure plan to conduct them in and out of ground. (away fans were that end in the past) Coloured lighting can be used extensively to prepare the stadium separately for football and rugby.Bayern Munich was cited as a good example. Development previously piecemeal chance now to tie whole together the concourse idea helps in this respect.Car spaces now 450 must be maintained.Entrances will be properly designed.For a so say blank canvas there seems to be a hell of a lot of certainties within your post, It's seems like the decisions have already been made and consulting the fans is a problem exercise. Sadly but true the only likely things we fans will get to chose is the colour of the bog roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 As someone who played rugby for 22 years with a good few games on the mem the news that the gates from the mem could be moved to Ag and the new home of bristol rugby is music to my cauliflowered ears. Bristol City and Bristol rugby my two biggest passions as a spectator at the same home with the memorial gates is gert mint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 That is exactly how I imagine a redevloped AG, It even has the restricted stand like the Atyeo due to the road. Looks great. Lush. Am I right in thinking that the only new addition in that video is the large 2 tiered side stand. BL is a ground I have always loved the look of despite not getting round to going to it. Maybe next season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky Posted March 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2013 Looks like Sheff Wednesday proposed a rebuild around the same time too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jon Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 I'd be happy with a ground we could call our own again as it stands we are tenants of Bristol sports ltd thanks Lansdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcsouth Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 I'd be happy with a ground we could call our own again as it stands we are tenants of Bristol sports ltd thanks Lansdown We have been tenants for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jon Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 We have been tenants for a long time Never used to be though until Lansdown decided to take the ground from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 There is a way to install boxes to the rear of the Dolman stand without affecting the capacity too much. This would obviously negate the need for boxes in the new EE, therefore increasing it's capacity. I'm not a nutter and have studied the stand with this in mind for many years, I have a good background in construction.I put forward this plan to Bernard Cripps who was then in charge of ground developments, he was very interested and stated that my proposal hed never been considered before but I think other plans were then adopted. When the last plan for the EE was being considered they couldn't sell the boxes, what would be the difference with these new plans to make that aspect successful now? I contacted the club mentioning my plan for the Dolman stand during the fans consultation, my email was passed to Guy Price, I still have not heard from the club after several months and being assured that I would. I don't know if the architects have been asked to include the possibility of boxes to the rear of the Dolman and found it too expensive or they have not considered my proposal. Obviously boxes running parralel to the pitch are more desireable than those at the end of the ground and as such, more profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 There is a way to install boxes to the rear of the Dolman stand without affecting the capacity too much. This would obviously negate the need for boxes in the new EE, therefore increasing it's capacity. I'm not a nutter and have studied the stand with this in mind for many years, I have a good background in construction.I put forward this plan to Bernard Cripps who was then in charge of ground developments, he was very interested and stated that my proposal hed never been considered before but I think other plans were then adopted. When the last plan for the EE was being considered they couldn't sell the boxes, what would be the difference with these new plans to make that aspect successful now? I contacted the club mentioning my plan for the Dolman stand during the fans consultation, my email was passed to Guy Price, I still have not heard from the club after several months and being assured that I would. I don't know if the architects have been asked to include the possibility of boxes to the rear of the Dolman and found it too expensive or they have not considered my proposal. Obviously boxes running parralel to the pitch are more desireable than those at the end of the ground and as such, more profitable. Think access and facilities are the problem for any boxes in the Dolman. You can't access from the back and we all know the toilet facilities are the worst in the whole ground. There would also be no facilities available for the provision of food & drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 The Dolman is being redeveloped, the access is being improved and my proposal covers those problems anyway, that's why I know my plan can work. The main problem before was that, it would remove too many seats from the stand the way it was previously planned. Think access and facilities are the problem for any boxes in the Dolman. You can't access from the back and we all know the toilet facilities are the worst in the whole ground. There would also be no facilities available for the provision of food & drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Would be interested to hear your proposals rich. The only way I can see it possible is to hang them from the roof structure, between half way and a third of the way back, in the same way the tv gantry hangs from white hart lanes east stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 Thanks for replying to bcfc south. Would just add, and has been discussed multiple times by the many, that the revenue streams far outstrip anything AG could ever achieve. We are talking about the clubs long term future here; make no bones about it AG is a massive compromise and the owners know it. Live in the real world. The only revenue stream we have to worry about is Lansdown's pocket. No football club can survive and prosper simply because it's got an ibis or a dunkin donuts stuck in its stands. Football is a toy for the rich man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Village Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 UNDER SOIL HEATING? Not seen it mentioned anywhere else.... As we are changing the pitch anyway (moving it 5m and laying DESSA pitch) - I know it comes with a hefty price tag (particularly retro fit) but surely worth it if we are to have a stadium truely fit for the premier league one day (however far off that seems at the mo). CTID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 UNDER SOIL HEATING? Not seen it mentioned anywhere else.... As we are changing the pitch anyway (moving it 5m and laying DESSA pitch) - I know it comes with a hefty price tag (particularly retro fit) but surely worth it if we are to have a stadium truely fit for the premier league one day (however far off that seems at the mo). CTID They announced this is happening as well as the Desso pitch - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 The bar under the Dolman stand is a facility that no other club has and we must do everything in our power to keep it ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted May 28, 2013 Report Share Posted May 28, 2013 Build a concourse from Ashton park straight over the road and into the ground. A concourse........now that would be good. and did i mention the portishead railway and the free pies..... pie minister.get proper booze in the house ale and cider accessable to all. disabled seating in the stands. build a concourse! thats just for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted June 15, 2013 Report Share Posted June 15, 2013 one thing I'd want with the new stadium is better leg room. It's all well and good having lots of seats but there is no point having them all if they're horrid and stuffed in. I guess this is one reason why the Williams is being redeveloped, the wooden seats are very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted June 17, 2013 Report Share Posted June 17, 2013 I noticed that the email about the public consultation had no Bristol City logo on it. Instead a Bristol sport logo. Anyone else notice that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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