Super Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22687663 Surely something has to be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Should be aiming for 5% at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 That is bad . There has to be a law brought in that makes Prem clubs field at least 2 home grown academy players in there starting line ups otherwise there will be no future for English Players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 5 teams failed to play any! That is disgraceful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 A few weeks back I listened to Ruud Gullit on Talksport. He talked a lot of sense about English football, and said that the England national team will struggle all the while young English players struggle to get first team places in the prem. If I remember correctly, Gullit commented that last season Stuart Pearce was putting out under 21 teams where not one of the players was a regular first teamer at a prem club. When the premier league was being formed, their was a charm offensive during which the chairmen of the top clubs sold the idea of a premier league as being one that would benefit the England national team. The truth was that It was only ever about money, and concerns about the national team were way down the agenda. The money in the prem attracts top foreign players who play at the expense of young English players. Following Mourinho's appointment, just how many young English players do you expect to see in Chelsea's first team next season? The desire for instant success makes it only more likely that managers will buy in expensive foreigners rather than develop young home grown talent. Unless something fundamental changes in English football, in the way the Germans changed things around in the last 10 years, then I expect to see England struggling to qualify for major tournaments during my lifetime, let alone have any chance of winning one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 5 teams failed to play any! That is disgraceful. I'm going to guess that these were, Chelsea, Stoke, QPR, Newcastle, and Swansea (because they are welsh so shouldn't have too), Do you know the 5 super? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 That makes rather worrying reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I'm going to guess that these were, Chelsea, Stoke, QPR, Newcastle, and Swansea (because they are welsh so shouldn't have too), Do you know the 5 super? Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan - 3 out of 5 ain't bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Manchester City, Chelsea, Swansea, Stoke and Wigan - 3 out of 5 ain't bad! Swansea I can forgive, its not down to them to devlop english youth players, they should be producing welsh players, If the prem were serious then there should be a quota to at least make space on the bench and give these players game time, failing to do so should result in big fines (say 100k) shich should be put into the pot for grass roots football, It won't happen because greed rules the top flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I thought i'd look through those 5 listed squads, and i've found two players bbc obviously missed during their research. - Wigan played McManaman for most of the season - Swansea played Bartley Still its a worrying figure that most clubs probably only play one or two homegrown players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 No wonder this happens so much. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335889/150-ex-footballers-prison-lives-fell-apart-following-end-careers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Also you'll find a fair few players went on loan to Championship teams still getting game time, Zaha and Chalabolah? played in most of the games for there clubs this season Where they wouldn't of had a chance at there parent clubs and Chalabolah probably wouldn't of got in the team if it wasn't for his loan move The Championship is still a competitive league and a very strong one, The best second division in the world and streets ahead of any others, Thats why i feel other top European teams have to play there youngsters they don't have the opportunity to loan them into a strong competitive league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I'm not supirsed Arsenal fielded the most however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Swansea I can forgive, its not down to them to devlop english youth players, they should be producing welsh players, If the prem were serious then there should be a quota to at least make space on the bench and give these players game time, failing to do so should result in big fines (say 100k) shich should be put into the pot for grass roots football, It won't happen because greed rules the top flight Another good reason why they should not be playing in the English league system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Another good reason why they should not be playing in the English league system. They have as much right to play in England as us, They have played in the English league since 1921 (a year after the gas) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 To much money involved in the Premier league leads to Managers and or Chairmen under pressure, the kids then dont get a chance to play as the management are always looking for results. Think how many times we have called for youngsers to be blooded but told now is not the time, and thats just outside of the Prem. Can't see anything changing unless all clubs are forced to do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWRed Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Swansea shouldnt't be included in those stats anyway. Their homegrown players are Welsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 They have as much right to play in England as us, They have played in the English league since 1921 (a year after the gas) As have Cardiff City. They now make up 2 clubs in our Premier League who you are happy to see developing players from their own country , none of whom will be able to play for England. Way to go English FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Can't see the problem with Cardiff/Swansea in the league tbh. They've more than earned their right to be here, they've been in the league for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Can't see the problem with Cardiff/Swansea in the league tbh. They've more than earned their right to be here, they've been in the league for years. Very true , but not a lot of point in people moaning about a lack of English players coming through when there are 2 clubs in our top division who will be bringing on youngsters to play for another country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Although worrying the cream will always rise to the top and can only help the lower leagues benefit from the cast offs. For england to compete we need a starting 11 of world class players whom will get games in the prem regardless. Ok we can fill prem teams with young english players but the majority wont be able to cut it in an england shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Is anyone really surprised? the Prem is aimed purely and simply at making money, if that meant not a single English players played in it, the FA, Sky etc... wouldn't give a damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 As have Cardiff City. They now make up 2 clubs in our Premier League who you are happy to see developing players from their own country , none of whom will be able to play for England. Way to go English FA. Absolutely. The other huge issue for England are the numbers of English born players that have been stolen by the Republic of Ireland over the years who are about as Irish as Robert Mugabe (or as John Aldridge or Mark Lawrenson). Ireland have continually flouted the eligibility rules, remember Tony Cascarino and his fictitious Irish relative? All of the games he played in (over 80) were in effect ones where they fielded an illegible player and recently they have been calling up players with a grandparent born in Northern Ireland, (their U19 team now has a Turkish player in it who was born in Germany with a Belfast born relative!). Simple solution to this when you sign your first professional contract it should include a declaration as to which national team you wish to represent, if it isn't England you shouldn't count towards what I hope will be some sort of aspirational target set for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Very true , but not a lot of point in people moaning about a lack of English players coming through when there are 2 clubs in our top division who will be bringing on youngsters to play for another country. Why highlight them why not a the anger at the other 18 teams in the top flight who aren't producing enough youngsters Why not mention the Spanish youth coming thought at Liverpool the French at arsenal etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Why highlight them why not a the anger at the other 18 teams in the top flight who aren't producing enough youngsters Why not mention the Spanish youth coming thought at Liverpool the French at arsenal etc You brought up the fact that you could forgive Swansea for producing non English players as they are , well , non English. I merely highlighted that there are 2 teams allowed to play in the top flight of English football who have no reason to put the emphasis on developing English players. It doesn't happen elsewhere in Europe to my knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 You brought up the fact that you could forgive Swansea for producing non English players as they are , well , non English. I merely highlighted that there are 2 teams allowed to play in the top flight of English football who have no reason to put the emphasis on developing English players. It doesn't happen elsewhere in Europe to my knowledge. Barca are Catalan, Bilbao are Basque both play in the spanish top flight, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Barca are Catalan, Bilbao are Basque both play in the spanish top flight, Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Barca are Catalan, Bilbao are Basque both play in the spanish top flight, Yeah , cos that's the same !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 Yeah , cos that's the same !! Obvious GR Barcelona is in Portugal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted June 5, 2013 Report Share Posted June 5, 2013 I'm sure Catalan is an equivalent to a county, Like South Gloucestershire Swansea has F all to do with England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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