Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Was he born in England? No. Should he therefore play for England? No. Simples. Owen Hargreaves??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Owen Hargreaves??? What about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 What about him? Born in Canada and didn't live in England till he was 26...and his mother was Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Born in Canada and didn't live in England till he was 26...and his mother was Welsh Exactly... Should never have played for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!! There you go - I must be blond and blue-eyed and wear DM's and braces. I must be a racist - kill those damn paki's(tanis) ... I'm NF me - Sieg Heil,Seig Heil. Bloody hell, from the responses on here to a simple question - should the England football team be comprised of English born players - then the liberal left once again tar anyone with an inch of pride in England to be a knuckle dragging skinhead racist. It's you blokes in the left who are the RACISTS by assuming that the people who prefer Englands team to be English really mean "To Be White". Well - you are totally wrong you dumb bastards. I consider an Englishman to be ANYONE BORN IN ENGLAND REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE NATIONALITY OF THEIR PARENTS OR THE GOD THEY WORSHIP - Is that clear enough for you. I am well sick of the left wing reading what I write and TELLING me what I mean. I have national pride in my country. Look really hard at that sentence and tell me where I have written "kill the blacks". You can't because it is not there. There is no criminality involved in loving your country. Try remembering that. Was waiting fo one if your posts, surprised you're not in mourning for Tommy after his defection from the EDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!! There you go - I must be blond and blue-eyed and wear DM's and braces. I must be a racist - kill those damn paki's(tanis) ... I'm NF me - Sieg Heil,Seig Heil. Bloody hell, from the responses on here to a simple question - should the England football team be comprised of English born players - then the liberal left once again tar anyone with an inch of pride in England to be a knuckle dragging skinhead racist. It's you blokes in the left who are the RACISTS by assuming that the people who prefer Englands team to be English really mean "To Be White". Well - you are totally wrong you dumb bastards. I consider an Englishman to be ANYONE BORN IN ENGLAND REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE NATIONALITY OF THEIR PARENTS OR THE GOD THEY WORSHIP - Is that clear enough for you. I am well sick of the left wing reading what I write and TELLING me what I mean. I have national pride in my country. Look really hard at that sentence and tell me where I have written "kill the blacks". You can't because it is not there. There is no criminality involved in loving your country. Try remembering that. So someone born in England who emigrates at the age of three months and never sets foot in the country again should be eligible to play for England, while someone who flees to England from Africa as a refugee at the age of three months and spends the rest of his life in this country shouldn't? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 IMO, the way that the England national team performs is entirely reflective of the EPL. Only Arsenal of the 'top 6' teams in the EPL play with any discernible style that doesn't rely upon the odd moment of quality from individual players. Swansea are the only other exception. It is no wonder that the national team are devoid of any identifiable style - other than being good on the counter-attack. Most other national team managers can try and focus their efforts on getting the national side to play in a similar style to best clubs in their national league. Where do you start when applying this to the england team? Answer is what we get served up with - and that isn't going to change until the EPL teams change the way that they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Wilshere is supposedly the best "English"layer of his generation, but Gareth Bale is the one playing in Spain, and it was Van Persie, Clichy, Nasri who left Arseneal. You think of English players think of John Terrys antics, ©Ashley Coles physically sick at 60k offers, physically puking on someone who he was shagging (oh classy that) Collymore and his dogging. Roooooney and his whores. That player wipin his arse on 20 quid notes. Joey Bartons classy antics. Owens alleged gambling debts, Ferdinands orgaizing of the Xmas party with all the local slappers (Class from England & Man U Capatain)Thats why England are struggling to win any ****** thing. The money these poor darlings earn seems to seriously warp their minds. any bad behaviour is acceptable. and yes foreign players have also been caught out. Those foreign players dont tend to be great players either in our league or for their countries And other countries don't have those sort of antics to deal with?! Really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyderiup Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 surprised it took this long for that to be noticed. What in gods name is this over-rated half wit even talking about? Clearly he's intimidated by the fact that the manc lad is probably twice the player he is. Do you mean Januzaj? I don't think Wilshere's comments were particularly well thought out. Having said that, 2 goals against Sunderland doesn't make you twice the player Wilshere is I am afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!! There you go - I must be blond and blue-eyed and wear DM's and braces. I must be a racist - kill those damn paki's(tanis) ... I'm NF me - Sieg Heil,Seig Heil. Bloody hell, from the responses on here to a simple question - should the England football team be comprised of English born players - then the liberal left once again tar anyone with an inch of pride in England to be a knuckle dragging skinhead racist. It's you blokes in the left who are the RACISTS by assuming that the people who prefer Englands team to be English really mean "To Be White". Well - you are totally wrong you dumb bastards. I consider an Englishman to be ANYONE BORN IN ENGLAND REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE NATIONALITY OF THEIR PARENTS OR THE GOD THEY WORSHIP - Is that clear enough for you. I am well sick of the left wing reading what I write and TELLING me what I mean. I have national pride in my country. Look really hard at that sentence and tell me where I have written "kill the blacks". You can't because it is not there. There is no criminality involved in loving your country. Try remembering that. Where has anyone said you're a racist for wanting an England team comprised of English players? If they have and that's unjust, why don't you report them to the mods? From what I've seen its people who want a strict interpretation of what comprises an 'English' footballer and people who feel that anyone who's good enough and wants to play for England should be allowed to If you think you've been wronged, ask a mod to step in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 the more troubling aspect of this is that wilshere thinks that tough tackling and smoking is the key to winning, not technical ability. this should be the generation of english players that accepts that tackling isnt a speciality, but a last resort, and that technique and professionalism are the way forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Was he born in England? No. Should he therefore play for England? No. Simples. Where you are born does not define your nationality! Surely if you are born to English parents, brought up by English values then you are English no? Doesnt matter if that happens in England, Spain or Timbuktu So yes, Beckhams kids will be English and I imagine expected to play for England. No Suarez kid's will not be English and not expected to play for England. Ultimately it comes down to the person as well, and how they feel. I consider myself English as I was raised here and have only ever lived here, however 1 parent is English the other is not. By footballing terms I'd be elligible for another Country, but I could never see myself representing that country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Do you mean Januzaj? I don't think Wilshere's comments were particularly well thought out. Having said that, 2 goals against Sunderland doesn't make you twice the player Wilshere is I am afraid. A consistent run of games and performances would though. Something that is beyond the supposed golden boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 A consistent run of games and performances would though. Something that is beyond the supposed golden boy. What is it in particular that you don't like about Wilshere Jordan? You've said he's an "overrated" "golden boy" but what are the deficiencies in his game that so incense you? I know he's injured a hell of a lot but I don't think that's ever entirely a players fault. Whenever I watch Wilshere play I see a player with a good range of passing, good vision and lots of tenacity. What is it you see or don't see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Whenever I watch Wilshere play I see a player with a good range of passing, good vision and lots of tenacity. What is it you see or don't see? I'd be surprised if you saw that in the West Brom/Arsenal match last Sunday. Wilshere had an absolutely disastrous match, redeemed by his goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 There must be some level of exclusivity surely, where sport is concerned, or inter-nation sporting competition loses the point of its existence. I think it very largely has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Where you are born does not define your nationality! Surely if you are born to English parents, brought up by English values then you are English no? Doesnt matter if that happens in England, Spain or Timbuktu So yes, Beckhams kids will be English and I imagine expected to play for England. No Suarez kid's will not be English and not expected to play for England. Ultimately it comes down to the person as well, and how they feel. I consider myself English as I was raised here and have only ever lived here, however 1 parent is English the other is not. By footballing terms I'd be elligible for another Country, but I could never see myself representing that country! Are you a closet Welshman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'd be surprised if you saw that in the West Brom/Arsenal match last Sunday. Wilshere had an absolutely disastrous match, redeemed by his goal. I watched it and thought he was on a par with the rest of Arsenal's midfield for most of the game. Apparently he was poor in the last England match but I didn't see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'd be surprised if you saw that in the West Brom/Arsenal match last Sunday. Wilshere had an absolutely disastrous match, redeemed by his goal.Very true. He played like a poor mans Scot Parker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!! There you go - I must be blond and blue-eyed and wear DM's and braces. I must be a racist - kill those damn paki's(tanis) ... I'm NF me - Sieg Heil,Seig Heil. Bloody hell, from the responses on here to a simple question - should the England football team be comprised of English born players - then the liberal left once again tar anyone with an inch of pride in England to be a knuckle dragging skinhead racist. It's you blokes in the left who are the RACISTS by assuming that the people who prefer Englands team to be English really mean "To Be White". Well - you are totally wrong you dumb bastards. I consider an Englishman to be ANYONE BORN IN ENGLAND REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE NATIONALITY OF THEIR PARENTS OR THE GOD THEY WORSHIP - Is that clear enough for you. I am well sick of the left wing reading what I write and TELLING me what I mean. I have national pride in my country. Look really hard at that sentence and tell me where I have written "kill the blacks". You can't because it is not there. There is no criminality involved in loving your country. Try remembering that. Well at the end of the day your opinion means f all. In the eyes of the law you can become a british citizen by living here and being an active part of the community for a certain amount of time. So that being the case, why shouldnt a person be able to represent this country in football if they become a british citizen?? If they feel like they are part of this country, if they feel loyal and care about this country then what is the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Mesut Ozil is hardly a German name is it? His father is indeed Turkish, young Mesut's mother is in fact German, and he was born in the area accepted as being within the territorial boundaries of the Federal Republic Of Germany. This you will find makes him German, and he has chosen to play for the country of his birth, like the majority of the current generation of mixed race/nationality German players. The Exceptions are the two Polish born players Podolski & Klose, which I understand are ethnic Germans from Poland (Klose is certainly a German name, Podolski is not uncommon either). These ethnic Germans are given automatic German citizenship due to national law, passed duting the Nazi era, but never rescinded dueto the enforced deportation of approximately 11 million Ethnic Germans from their homes after the end of WW2. Therefore these ethnic or as the Germans put it "Beutedeutsche"- Booty Germans are also playing for their country. These players could all have been garanteed international places for their fathers countries, but chose to play for the country of birth. Likewise Holtby who was born there, to British parent(s) in a military hospital. Think Lewis's mum was German too, but I might be wrong. Go figure for yourself why they did. Also ask why Hargreaves chose England over Germany where he had spent his entire career, or the country of his birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 What is it in particular that you don't like about Wilshere Jordan? You've said he's an "overrated" "golden boy" but what are the deficiencies in his game that so incense you? I know he's injured a hell of a lot but I don't think that's ever entirely a players fault. Whenever I watch Wilshere play I see a player with a good range of passing, good vision and lots of tenacity. What is it you see or don't see? He's a walking car-crash. You can see how he gets injured so much simply by the amount of times he walks blindly into a tackler. He's about as aware as Derek "I didn't see that coming" McInnes and he makes far too many mistakes to be hailed as the messiah. It's not that I don't think he's a decent player, but when people claim he is the future of the British game and compare him with proper exceptional footballers it riles me. He's decent, nothing more. Much like our other WORLD CLASS players Hart and Rooney. None of those three would get in any of the top international teams, not even on the bench. If you're looking for a future star, it's Ross Barkley. That boy is absolutely amazing and will be twice the player Wilshere ever will and probably have half the reputation too. Shame really, Wilshere will probably get 100 caps on the basis that he was meant to be good at 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 I watched it and thought he was on a par with the rest of Arsenal's midfield for most of the game. Apparently he was poor in the last England match but I didn't see that He was embarrassing to watch in that game. I hope he has a good game tomorrow, we need him to step up as he's meant to be the creative player in that midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 ENGLAND FOR THE ENGLISH!! There you go - I must be blond and blue-eyed and wear DM's and braces. I must be a racist - kill those damn paki's(tanis) ... I'm NF me - Sieg Heil,Seig Heil. Bloody hell, from the responses on here to a simple question - should the England football team be comprised of English born players - then the liberal left once again tar anyone with an inch of pride in England to be a knuckle dragging skinhead racist. It's you blokes in the left who are the RACISTS by assuming that the people who prefer Englands team to be English really mean "To Be White". Well - you are totally wrong you dumb bastards. I consider an Englishman to be ANYONE BORN IN ENGLAND REGARDLESS OF THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN OR THE NATIONALITY OF THEIR PARENTS OR THE GOD THEY WORSHIP - Is that clear enough for you. I am well sick of the left wing reading what I write and TELLING me what I mean. I have national pride in my country. Look really hard at that sentence and tell me where I have written "kill the blacks". You can't because it is not there. There is no criminality involved in loving your country. Try remembering that. Quite correct in pride in your country doesnt make you racist. Its the England for the English which kinda gives that impression. Im not English, neither is my wife. We choose to live here because we like the way things are done here. I no longer have a country, I am a Rhodesian, and we were good enough to help you people between 14-18, 39-45 and in the late 50's, but not good enough to be given independance in 65, and my wifes is currently full up of Scotland for the ****** Scottish, which she wants no ****** part of. My mother was born in ****** Bristol, but left socialist ridden, bombed out and bankrupt England in 46. The rest of my family have all four home countries, Irish, Dutch & German blood in them and have scattered to the four corners of the English speaking world, and other places too. I and my wife have served in the forces here, to allow all views to be tolerated. I kinda think they should be. One final thing, there is NO ****** way I am a leftie, trust me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Given our multicultural society and the recent influx of immigrants from the EU and other parts of the world, by the next generation the England starting XI could be something like:- 1. Mwba 2. Goluski 3. Adembayo 4. Tucz 5. Szarbuc 6. Chi Wen 7. Przymecki 8. Bojan 9. Assaf Mohammed 10. Rivarola-Bloc 11. Krzywkowski Can you imagine the fans singing "There's only one Assaf Mohammed"? A team like this might actually win the World Cup. Who cares where they come from as long as they win? C'mon England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Was he born in England? No. Should he therefore play for England? No. Simples. What if 'he' moved to the country aged 5, was a product of the English football coaching system and loved England. Surely 'he' is more English than the country he was born in?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's a fine line and touched on in other sports as well. For me its either English parents or to have been schooled in England for the majority of your school life (which would probably mean having lived in England since they were 11 or 12). That way its people who have grown up in England at least who play for the country. The case I don't like in the England cricket team are Trott and KP, Trott played for SA U15's - U19's and KP moved to England to play cricket, he would have played for SA if he got the chance to so his loyalty was not always to play for England is what i'm getting at. Strauss, Prior etc moved back to England at a very young age having just been born in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 He's a walking car-crash. You can see how he gets injured so much simply by the amount of times he walks blindly into a tackler. He's about as aware as Derek "I didn't see that coming" McInnes and he makes far too many mistakes to be hailed as the messiah. It's not that I don't think he's a decent player, but when people claim he is the future of the British game and compare him with proper exceptional footballers it riles me. He's decent, nothing more. Much like our other WORLD CLASS players Hart and Rooney. None of those three would get in any of the top international teams, not even on the bench. If you're looking for a future star, it's Ross Barkley. That boy is absolutely amazing and will be twice the player Wilshere ever will and probably have half the reputation too. Shame really, Wilshere will probably get 100 caps on the basis that he was meant to be good at 15. I don't really see Wilshere as a 'creative' midfielder, more of a midfield engine. I agree he's not particularly consistent, but I think the talent is there to see. Agree with you on Barkley though; he's excellent- I wouldn't be suprised to see him at ManUre or Citeh by the end of January. I've also watched Ox-Chanberlain live a couple of times and always been impressed. I think we could have a fantastic midfield in a couple of years if certain players are managed correctly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Quite correct in pride in your country doesnt make you racist. Its the England for the English which kinda gives that impression. Im not English, neither is my wife. We choose to live here because we like the way things are done here. I no longer have a country, I am a Rhodesian, and we were good enough to help you people between 14-18, 39-45 and in the late 50's, but not good enough to be given independance in 65, and my wifes is currently full up of Scotland for the ****** Scottish, which she wants no ****** part of. My mother was born in ****** Bristol, but left socialist ridden, bombed out and bankrupt England in 46. The rest of my family have all four home countries, Irish, Dutch & German blood in them and have scattered to the four corners of the English speaking world, and other places too. I and my wife have served in the forces here, to allow all views to be tolerated. I kinda think they should be. One final thing, there is NO ****** way I am a leftie, trust me.... You're not a foreigner - you are our British kith and kin. You still shouldn't play for England though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 I don't really see Wilshere as a 'creative' midfielder, more of a midfield engine. I agree he's not particularly consistent, but I think the talent is there to see. Agree with you on Barkley though; he's excellent- I wouldn't be suprised to see him at ManUre or Citeh by the end of January. I've also watched Ox-Chanberlain live a couple of times and always been impressed. I think we could have a fantastic midfield in a couple of years if certain players are managed correctly Barkley needs to stick with Everton for his development. When he gets to 25 or so and has found himself completely as a footballer then he should move on. The ox is fantastic, but not a winger. Him and Barkley are the future of our midfield, Zaha, Sterling, Ibe, et all are the wingers of tomorrow. I like a lot of our kids, but they need pushing through NOW. Not tomorrow. Much as I love Gerrard, Lampard etc they need to be dropped now. They aren't the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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