Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I can't help but feel that Bryan and Wagstaff are on the wrong flanks. The idea of being on the same flank as your stronger foot makes perfect sense, cross with the stronger foot. But as our only target is Baldock, it is easily dealt with by defenders. JET can't head the ball and as most of his goals have come from him picking up the pieces on the edge of the area, so I don't think I want him to 'get in the box'. However with Bryan and Wagstaff playing on the opposite sides, they can come inside and either shoot or slip Baldock through with a pass. Overlapping fullbacks maintain width and as long as we have a sitting midfielder (Wynter or Elliott), we would still have 4 players back, or even 5 if both central midfielders sit. This would lead to lots of players in the middle, but the advantage is that they would be mostly red. Now we are by no means Chelsea, but they play a very narrow game, and can make it work against the best defences in the country (and even in Europe). Lots of small, 1 touch passing in and around the 'D' = goals. Most of the best teams in the world play their wide men on the opposite flank to make it narrower. How much room did Baines have against Poland? Welbeck brought the full back narrower giving Baines all that room so we can still cross, so don't worry about the game becoming so narrow and congested that we get crowded out, as there are always the full backs. We actually have the squad to pull this off and as poor as we may be at the moment, this is how we'll push on. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I can't help but feel that Bryan and Wagstaff are on the wrong flanks. The idea of being on the same flank as your stronger foot makes perfect sense, cross with the stronger foot. But as our only target is Baldock, it is easily dealt with by defenders. JET can't head the ball and as most of his goals have come from him picking up the pieces on the edge of the area, so I don't think I want him to 'get in the box'. However with Bryan and Wagstaff playing on the opposite sides, they can come inside and either shoot or slip Baldock through with a pass. Overlapping fullbacks maintain width and as long as we have a sitting midfielder (Wynter or Elliott), we would still have 4 players back, or even 5 if both central midfielders sit. This would lead to lots of players in the middle, but the advantage is that they would be mostly red. Now we are by no means Chelsea, but they play a very narrow game, and can make it work against the best defences in the country (and even in Europe). Lots of small, 1 touch passing in and around the 'D' = goals. Most of the best teams in the world play their wide men on the opposite flank to make it narrower. How much room did Baines have against Poland? Welbeck brought the full back narrower giving Baines all that room so we can still cross, so don't worry about the game becoming so narrow and congested that we get crowded out, as there are always the full backs. We actually have the squad to pull this off and as poor as we may be at the moment, this is how we'll push on. Thoughts? I would give Bryan a rest. For me he hasn't looked the same since the Rovers game (granted i only watch the home games) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK0wnag3 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'd like to see McLaughlin over Bryan for a few games. McLaughlin was brilliant when he came on against Colchester, from the left. If Baldock had tucked away that header, man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 You're giving Chelsea and England as examples of how City should play. Can you please rewrite this in the style of Charles Dickens, no I thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I do agree though when crosses come in and the majority are awful the only bloke in the box is Baldock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I must admit that it's a surprise that Wagstaff and Bryan don't swap sides during a game. It can be a useful tactic and gives the opposition defenders something else to think about. Maybe tomorrow night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East end Forever Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Not a bad shout but I really do think we need two upfront start to finish tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I must admit that it's a surprise that Wagstaff and Bryan don't swap sides during a game. It can be a useful tactic and gives the opposition defenders something else to think about. Maybe tomorrow night? Sproule and McIndoe use to swap all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I must admit that it's a surprise that Wagstaff and Bryan don't swap sides during a game. It can be a useful tactic and gives the opposition defenders something else to think about. Yes, it's a smart ploy Gary Johnson uses to good effect on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think it would be worth a try, I've seen them on the opposite flank a couple of times but mainly trying to get, the ball back, not when we have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westred1 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Still think Wagstaff's best game for us was away at Swindon in a midfield 3. However, I tend to agree with the OP. Although the analogy that it works for Chelsea, England and I'll add Real Madrid into the mix doesn't really apply as they have world class players who can adapt to this; we quite frankly don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Yes, it's a smart ploy Gary Johnson uses to good effect on a regular basis. Does he? obviously not working this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Neither play with anywhere near enough width to be honest. Wagstaff plays so narrow at times. But yes agree would like to see them both swap at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Neither play with anywhere near enough width to be honest. Wagstaff plays so narrow at times. But yes agree would like to see them both swap at times didn't Wagstaff play as a left sided Central midfielder for Charlton? SoD doen't use winger he uses wide men whic his a different role tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 If wagstaff had a bit more quality in his game he'd be a very good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 If wagstaff had a bit more quality in his game he'd be a very good player. You could say that about any lower league player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 didn't Wagstaff play as a left sided Central midfielder for Charlton? SoD doen't use winger he uses wide men whic his a different role tbh I know that's my point. I think sometimes we need to play with wingers. I understand SOD needs to stick to his principles and beliefs but I think we are often far too narrow and don't stretch teams enough. I think Wagstaff mainly played out wide for Charlton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Does he? obviously not working this season. I disagree, to get a town with a population of 40,000 into the championship (a division or 24 places above us) is a phenomenal achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 didn't Wagstaff play as a left sided Central midfielder for Charlton? SoD doen't use winger he uses wide men whic his a different role tbh I think Waggy went wide left, or left'ish, 2nd half v Colchester ? With three league goals he's probably our best midfielder to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 Neither play with anywhere near enough width to be honest. Wagstaff plays so narrow at times. But yes agree would like to see them both swap at times Which is another problem, no width but are then on their wrong foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 . You could say that about any lower league player. that's true, but not every lower league player has the energy waggy has, however low of quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDoubleD Posted October 21, 2013 Report Share Posted October 21, 2013 I think this could work. Baldock doesn't mind coming to the flank, not JET, that means waggy and joe cutting in would give us more options in the box. Would be tempted to play maclaughlin for joe as well. Looked decent when ive seen him, but wonder if his chance was at Wycombe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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