Hull Formally Apply To Fa To Become Hull Tigers

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[chalky]

Disgraceful.

[phantom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25347644

 

Hull City supporters opposed to the club's name being changed are urging the Football Association to protect the heritage and traditions of the sport.

 

On Wednesday, City owner Assem Allam formally applied to the FA to change the club's name to Hull Tigers.

 

But the City Till We Die campaign group said it was confident the FA "would make the right decision".

 

In a statement, they added: "This issue matters for all football supporters, not just the people of Hull."

 

Any application to alter a club's name must be approved by an FA council, which has "absolute discretion" in deciding whether to approve the plan.

 

Allam has condemned opposition to his plan in controversial terms, suggesting those City fans who chanted "City Till I Die" during games could "die when they want", and that those who unfurled banners were "hooligans" who distracted the players.

 

The City Till We Die group claims Allam had given an assurance that no name change would go ahead without supporter consultation or without the benefits being proven by research, and that no such research or consultation had taken place.

 

Hull City AFC history

Formed in 1904, Hull City AFC first wore black and amber shirts for their maiden Football League campaign the following year. The 'Tigers' nickname is thought to have been coined by a Hull Daily Mail reporter in 1905. Hull moved to their KC Stadium home, which they share with rugby league club Hull FC, in 2002.

 

Its statement said: "This matter is now in the hands of the only people who have the right to make such a decision: the football authorities.

 

"The FA is an organisation with a rich and proud history; this year, it is celebrating its 150th anniversary. This Saturday, as part of those celebrations, numerous FA dignitaries will be at the KC Stadium to honour Hull-born Ebenezer Cobb Morley, one of the founding fathers of Association Football.

 

"We remain confident that, with the eyes of the whole footballing world upon them, the FA will make the right decision and act to protect not only the heritage and traditions of Hull City AFC, but also those of other clubs whose identities may come under threat in the future."

 

The group has received messages of support from fans of many other clubs in the United Kingdom and abroad and will hold a public meeting ahead of Saturday's televised Premier League game against Stoke City.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

Steve Bruce is a pathetic worm of a man.

Seriously, what a ******* arse licking melt

Couldn't agree more.

[Aizoon]

Bristol South End to Bristol City, to try and engage the whole city under one team thus bringing in bigger crowds and more money

 

Eastville Rovers to Bristol Rovers, in a vain attempt to appear Bristoiian.

[Eco]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25347644

 

Hull City supporters opposed to the club's name being changed are urging the Football Association to protect the heritage and traditions of the sport.

 

On Wednesday, City owner Assem Allam formally applied to the FA to change the club's name to Hull Tigers.

 

But the City Till We Die campaign group said it was confident the FA "would make the right decision".

 

In a statement, they added: "This issue matters for all football supporters, not just the people of Hull."

 

Any application to alter a club's name must be approved by an FA council, which has "absolute discretion" in deciding whether to approve the plan.

 

Allam has condemned opposition to his plan in controversial terms, suggesting those City fans who chanted "City Till I Die" during games could "die when they want", and that those who unfurled banners were "hooligans" who distracted the players.

 

The City Till We Die group claims Allam had given an assurance that no name change would go ahead without supporter consultation or without the benefits being proven by research, and that no such research or consultation had taken place.

 

Hull City AFC history

Formed in 1904, Hull City AFC first wore black and amber shirts for their maiden Football League campaign the following year. The 'Tigers' nickname is thought to have been coined by a Hull Daily Mail reporter in 1905. Hull moved to their KC Stadium home, which they share with rugby league club Hull FC, in 2002.

 

Its statement said: "This matter is now in the hands of the only people who have the right to make such a decision: the football authorities.

 

"The FA is an organisation with a rich and proud history; this year, it is celebrating its 150th anniversary. This Saturday, as part of those celebrations, numerous FA dignitaries will be at the KC Stadium to honour Hull-born Ebenezer Cobb Morley, one of the founding fathers of Association Football.We remain confident that, with the eyes of the whole footballing world upon them, the FA will make the right decision and act to protect not only the heritage and tradition

 

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s of Hull City AFC, but also those of other clubs whose identities may come under threat in the future."

 

The group has received messages of support from fans of many other clubs in the United Kingdom and abroad and will hold a public meeting ahead of Saturday's televised Premier League game against Stoke City.

Prepare to be disappointed.

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

So, they are now "Hull Tiggers." But is the "Hull" bit very sexy or appealing? Why not just "Tigers"? Or Tiggers. Or perhaps, Hell Tigers??

[phantom]

So, they are now "Hull Tiggers." But is the "Hull" bit very sexy or appealing? Why not just "Tigers"? Or Tiggers. Or perhaps, Hell Tigers??

 

I wonder if Hartlepool would become the Northern Monkeys ?

[Always Believesham]

Hull City AFC history

Formed in 1904, Hull City AFC first wore black and amber shirts for their maiden Football League campaign the following year. The 'Tigers' nickname is thought to have been coined by a Hull Daily Mail reporter in 1905. Hull moved to their KC Stadium home, which they share with rugby league club Hull FC, in 2002.

 

That is one hell of a scrapbook!

 

Any normal investment and the FA would be worried about the investor taking their riches elsewhere but;

 

1. The fact that this mad-man has lived in Hull since 1968 & is unlikely to take his funding elsewhere

2. The Hull KR & Hull Rugby point about them being the league teams to rebel name changes

 

Are two reasons why this could be a close call - it'll come down to how much the FA stand to gain/lose as a result of this.

[CHIPLEY RED]

Steve Bruce is a pathetic worm of a man.

Seriously, what a ******* arse licking melt

 

Do you live in the real world?

 

What else was he supposed to say?

 

In the real world if he says anything which doesn't back the owner he's out of a highly paid job and an act of open opposition to the owner/board would be treated as gross misconduct and his pay off would be zero. Whatever his feelings in public he has to back the owner.

 

Of course there will be those who say he should stand up for what the fans want but be honest in his position would you?

[herman]

i've heard rovers are being sponsored by a cadbury bar and are looking to swap rovers name for packers, after a NFL team

 

they'll be known as the bristol fudge packers

[Eco]

I dont see the hoo ha, to be honest as football teams have always changed their names. Dial Square FC, St. Domingos FC,  Cross Church FC,  Small Heath Alliance FC, Newton Heath FC, Singers FC and Thames Iron Works FC, have all gone on to do very well despite name changes, so where's the beef?

 

It happens, Rugby Union and Cricket are the most recent sports where name changes have affected teams, they seem to get on with it

Yes very good, when did those changes occur ? 

[Barrs Court Red]

Do you live in the real world?

What else was he supposed to say?

In the real world if he says anything which doesn't back the owner he's out of a highly paid job and an act of open opposition to the owner/board would be treated as gross misconduct and his pay off would be zero. Whatever his feelings in public he has to back the owner.

Of course there will be those who say he should stand up for what the fans want but be honest in his position would you?

Oh good, another drone.

In the real world, people don't make public statements likely to upset the very people they rely on.

You would have thought a man who has done so well out of the game would have some empathy to supporters and club tradition. Obviously not.

[steve o]

Surely its more the case that he's completely disregarded how Hull Citys fans actually feel about it and practically held them to ransom over it. Anyway, not sure if this has been posted yet but if your interested in signing a petition....

http://www.change.org/petitions/hull-city-afc-stop-and-reverse-the-unwanted-rebranding-of-hull-city-afc?share_id=NwrLSagGNe&utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

[Oxford Red]

I'll happily sign that.

 

I think what happened at Wimbledon, Cardiff and now Hull City is a deterioration and sell out of our game.

[screech]

Just wait until all of the clubs are owned by businesses from the far east. The types of betting at the games will be off the scale. Hull Tigers vs Malaysian Dragons in match fixing scandal, the game only ended 8 all.

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

Most were around 1900, names were changed, it's happened before. What's changed now?

Think about your name, "Ralph." Now, if you've been called "Ralph" for five minutes, or five years even, then change your name, well, a bit of a change, but nothing seismic. But if you've been called "Ralph" for more than a century, the change involved creates greater repurcussions. Change anything that you have taken for granted over many decades=hoo ha. Change=hoo ha.

Even changing your bedsheets, your clocks, your mind: all involve some disruption and thus: hoo ha.

So, the hoo ha you're not getting is: change. Due to the length of time the name that has been changed has been in place.

1900. What has changed now? Have you not noticed?

[beaverface]

Most were around 1900, names were changed, it's happened before. What's changed now?

 

I see it as a settling period. During the infancy of the football clubs, they were looking to find their feet, choose the demographs before eventually settling on their names, areas, colours and identities.

 

The name is historical, that's why it shouldn't change.

 

If it doesn't matter, then the same principle could apply to listed buildings - heck, the suspension bridge - history doesn't mean anything.......let's knock it down, after all it can't carry much weight, so we may as as well demolish it and put up a massive concrete version that can support more! After all, the historical value of it doesn't matter these days, does it?

[no_merde]

Why does sh1t like this keep happening ?

Do you honestly have the patience to understand? If so i'm happy to explain.

[chalky]

In short to you both, the name doesnt really have any bearing on it. Fans will call the team Hull/Hull City/Tigers or whatever the local colloquialism for the team is, the name will be historically preserved and still referred to.

 

Unlike protected foodstuffs, where based on point of produce I can see why they should be protected (A Melton Mowbray Pork Pie, from China or something doesnt really ring true as is geographically incorrect) However for everything else, it's just a name, it doesnt define the club, it doesnt make them what they are, it doesnt even give the club it's identity, the fans and players and management and culture does.

 

The Sears Tower in Chicago is actually called the Willis tower, do people stop calling it the Sears Tower? No! Does it stop it from once having been the world's tallest building? No? Is it going to prevent it from having a future or losing all of it's Identity? No

 

So the name changes.. Big deal, it's what's beneath that's more important and the removal of the obsession with labels/names doesnt matter. How many people call their Vacuum Cleaner, a vacuum cleaner, or do they call it a hoover (brand name) or more commonly with the young a 'Dyson'? Stuff happens it moves on. They will have Hull and Tigers in the name and the Tigers part of the club has been around since pretty much as long as the club has been in existence, so it does have an historical basis.

 

Strange things people get wound up about.

I cringe when people refer to a vacuum as a "Hoover"

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

In short to you both, the name doesnt really have any bearing on it. Fans will call the team Hull/Hull City/Tigers

 

Unlike protected foodstuffs, (A Melton Mowbray Pork Pie,

Make your mind up, Ralph. First you say, don't get the hoo-ha. Then your telling people they are not really upset about names. Then you're banging on about pork pies. I say to you, RalphMilne, pork pies do not really have any bearing on Hull fans being upset, or people on here being upset about Hull fans being upset. This "hoo ha" has very little to do with porky pies, I'm in no doubt about that...

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

Will Ralph be able to resist coming back for another nibble on this?

[phantom]

See tonight the FA have stated that they are going to meet fans groups before making a decision

[Aizoon]

Will Ralph be able to resist coming back for another nibble on this?

Don't be silly, Les. You don't nibble a pork pie; you get proper stuck in. In fact, you can wolf down one of they cockatoo pork pies in one gulp...

[herman]

so as far as i understand, all of you against this also refuse to support city because we changed our name at some point too?

 

or is there some kind of mystical date before which name changes were ok, but now they're not?

[Eco]

so as far as i understand, all of you against this also refuse to support city because we changed our name at some point too?

 

or is there some kind of mystical date before which name changes were ok, but now they're not?

We've never changed our name since being formed. Please see posts #49 & #50 for explanation of why keeping historical names matters.

[Taylor10]

What an absolute joke. How on earth is changing the name to Hull tigers going to make them more appealing globally, generate more income and attract more fans? It's embarrassing.

As for Steve Bruce I would expect nothing less. The bloke is a spineless bent nosed dinosaur.

One of the biggest hypocrites in the game as well. Absolute clown.

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

People are up in arms over replacing a 4 letter word with a 6 letter word, where the meaning is largely irrelavent, yup, still dont get the hoo ha. Names arent that important in the grand scheme of things, they really arent

But people are indicating that mere names do have "meaning," meaning and relevance and importance to them. Hence the "hoo ha." The use of "City" for the people of Hull, perhaps, is a reminder to the rest of the country, that it is just that, a city. Not a town, or even a big town, but a city, a distinct difference. Especially in a place tucked out of the way, a place more people in this country would struggle to locate on a map than Bristol, at a guess. "City" conveys much more than simply what football team they are. An important part of their identity.

Might I suggest, Ralph, that is not so much the "hoo ha" you don't get, more "other people" that are baffling, at times, to you? Or at least, some other people, some of the time. That's how it is for me. Some of the time....

[The Right Honourable Les Q]

What an absolute joke. How on earth is changing the name to Hull tigers going to make them more appealing globally, generate more income and attract more fans? It's embarrassing.

As for Steve Bruce I would expect nothing less. The bloke is a spineless bent nosed dinosaur.

One of the biggest hypocrites in the game as well. Absolute clown.

He can put a team together, though. Think the people of Hull recognise that

[Roger Red Hat]

Well Hull isn't actually it's technical name either..Kingston upon Hull is the City name, and it's not a particularly old as city statused, pre dating the club by about 5 years or so.

 

The name isnt important, it really isnt, even more so when the team goes by a colloqualism in the first place The people who live there know it's a City, people around the country know it's a city (and city status really isnt that important, it's grandification of a title these days rather than any thing important, especially in light of the Jubilee Cities, which are largely ceremonial) The Capital of Culture status in 2015 will also draw more attention to the place in general so, again how is changing a 4 letter word to a 6 letter word, which is already part of the club's history such a big deal. 

 

If they were changing to something that wasnt part of the clubs history then yeah I could see why people were angry, swapping city for the clubs nickname, is really not a big deal. It's not new to the club, it's not something fans are unused to or unaware of stuff like this, home kits in the 1990's were pretty much tiger stripes, for example.

 

 

 

So why all the kerfuffle?

It is, it really is, to the people who support the club! It's not important to you, but it matters to them.