bcfcnick Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Obviously Louis isn't the long-term answer to our defensive woes and, quite rightly, won't have his contract renewed but I don't really understand why he is not being picked to help with the fight to climb the table. When selected under SC (aside from his midfield cameo role) he had a decent game. If Steve wanted an experienced defender lacking pace who could organise the younger back line with grit, a great attitude and good communication he didn't have to look to El Abd for the solution. The only issue I can think of is fitness and the prospect of regular availability as Louis has tended to pick up injuries in the last two or three seasons and can only play one match a week realistically. I rate SC and think he will do a fantastic job, his hunger to win will see to that. He seems to have good man management as well given how he went out f his way to communicate to what will now be our two reserve goalkeepers. I just can't understand the recruitment of El Abd when a similar and probably better solution for this season was already in the squad. The goalkeeper recruitment was a great bit of business but the evidence suggests that we won't see Louis Carey in a City shirt again unless there are a couple of more central defender injuries. I remember Keith Millen finding his best team via injuries and went on a great run of wins .. good old Keith though reverted back to a losing team when the injured players recovered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bloody let Adam settle everyone, Christ on earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm not sure we have too many games to let anyone 'settle in'. El Abd was rated by Brighton fans and rightly so, I hope he goes on to impress here and hopefully he will over time. The only point is that I think if SC wanted a committed leader of the back line who wouldn't need to settle in then the answer was already here and it would have been better to have eased El Abd in rather than change a defence that was beginning, at long last, to look much more solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 At least you have given him 2 games before writing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm not sure we have too many games to let anyone 'settle in'. El Abd was rated by Brighton fans and rightly so, I hope he goes on to impress here and hopefully he will over time. The only point is that I think if SC wanted a committed leader of the back line who wouldn't need to settle in then the answer was already here and it would have been better to have eased El Abd in rather than change a defence that was beginning, at long last, to look much more solid. Just exactly how much game time has Carey had so far this season?, Carey has got the appearance record and within the modern game richly deserved, please let's move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opeth67 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 1. Give the guy time to get really match fit - and to settle in with his defensive colleagues 2. Carey would struggle to play more than two full games a month - and that's without him picking up the inevitable injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm not sure we have too many games to let anyone 'settle in'. El Abd was rated by Brighton fans and rightly so, I hope he goes on to impress here and hopefully he will over time. The only point is that I think if SC wanted a committed leader of the back line who wouldn't need to settle in then the answer was already here and it would have been better to have eased El Abd in rather than change a defence that was beginning, at long last, to look much more solid. every player needs time to setlle, El Abd will be a good player and we have been conciding lots of goals before he came, how many clean sheets have we kept 2?, Personlly I think the problem is flint and to a lesser degree Parish, Flint is just slow and clumsey and has been caught out of postion numerous times as well as being our 3rd highest scorer with own goals, Parash looks like he will be a good keeper but he doesn't command his box well and flaps at things doesn't fill me with confidance at all, reminds me of Steve Phillips's first few seasons to be honest, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bloody let Adam settle everyone, Christ on earth Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Just for the short term, I'd replace Flint with Carey. There's too many mistakes creeping into Flints game at the moment. Bring him back in when we have a better midfield to offer the defensive cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not sure Carey would be a better option than El Abd but I really don't understand what we're doing defensively. We all know it needed to be improved but the way it's being done makes no sense to me. We had started to improve it with O'Driscoll but once again people panicked, didn't stick to a long term plan and ripped apart everything we were building. We only conceded 5 goals in SOD's last 6 games for us. That was then carrying over to Cotterill's reign and he also brought back the likes of Carey and Fontaine who looked solid when they played. For some reason we then sign another defender neither Louis or Liam has even been on the bench since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not sure Carey would be a better option than El Abd but I really don't understand what we're doing defensively. We all know it needed to be improved but the way it's being done makes no sense to me. We had started to improve it with O'Driscoll but once again people panicked, didn't stick to a long term plan and ripped apart everything we were building. We only conceded 5 goals in SOD's last 6 games for us. That was then carrying over to Cotterill's reign and he also brought back the likes of Carey and Fontaine who looked solid when they played. For some reason we then sign another defender neither Louis or Liam has even been on the bench since. Fontaine has been on the bench against Wolves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Pretty sure Liam was also on the bench at Bradford, in fact IIRC he came on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I'm a bit confused as to why Louis has seemingly disappeared again after coming in and calming the defence against Notts County. A back three of Louis, El-Abd and Williams would be decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not much point in debating this unless we know how fit Louis is. If he's up to it, he would be an ideal short-term solution. Since that seems to be the way we're going, and I can see the justification for that in our position, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 We need to give El-Abd a chance. I honestly don't believe he's being helped one bit being played either side of a back 3. In Louis' defence though at Notts C when he played on the right of a back 3 not once did he get carved apart or exposed like El-Abd has so far. He dealt with Jack Grealish, one of the quickest and most skilful players in the league with little trouble. Louis is a legend but his time here as a player is surely up now. El-Abd needs to improve and quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 El-Abd does not face a set of facial hair from a Victorian porn shoot, and on that basis, he gets the nod ahead of Carey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Absolutely no idea why he was given a contract tbh. A bloke like El Abd could have joined pre-season and gelled, not scramble to fit in with over half the season gone. Apparently it was more important to give the bloke a years contract to break the record of a man who's balls he wasn't fit to lick. Carey was given the record on a plate - not on merit, and that's my only gripe. I've never looked at it like that. You are right. Louis has been very lucky to have been handed nearly 650 games based purely on sentiment. It's all been a big anti John Atyeo conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I've never looked at it like that. You are right. Louis has been very lucky to have been handed nearly 650 games based purely on sentiment. It's all been a big anti John Atyeo conspiracy. Haha this is class. You are right though I can't believe the John Atyeo conspiracy that has gone on since Carey signed a professional contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Put em' both in together as CB's. Two tough ******s to sort opposing strikers out - no doubt. Williams LB & Waggy/Moloney RB. Get Flint out for now and be a bit no-nonsense at the back for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 Haha this is class. You are right though I can't believe the John Atyeo conspiracy that has gone on since Carey signed a professional contract. 18 very lucky years. And only 13 managers have needed to be "in on it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 I was referring to this season, as you well know. Did he deserve to get a contract this year on form? Honestly? On the contract that he was given, yes. They could have given me the same contract and not really lost anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 with respect to a great servant to this club, Louis Carey is passed his best by date. He now has that appearances record (and in all honesty hes nowhere near as good as Atyeo) He really is not the answer anymore. Give the new players a chance starting, let Louis get his coaching badges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 El-Abd does not face a set of facial hair from a Victorian porn shoot, and on that basis, he gets the nod ahead of Carey. Plus the fact he's far to busy to play football. He has more pressing matters like his head to heads with Scott Murrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timothy bird Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Don't you dare argue with bar bs3, he's well itk, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted February 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I still contend Carey needs to playas many games as his age and fitness allows for his final season. On the right of a back three or with either Williams or Flint in a back four. El Abd has to be rested and dropped to the bench for both his and the teams benefit and only introduced again if injuries / suspensions necessitate within a back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 How ever bad El Abd is, he makes I laugh because he looks like uncle Fester ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 I think the former Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, might have been a better option last night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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