prankerd Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Theres a brian tinnion thread with some scott murray goals and he was my favourite player of my generation, could he of hit the big time? And is he up there with one of the best wingers we have had at the club? In his prime he was unstoppable!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 No not in the Prem. Fantastc in thw 3rd tier and should have had more success in the 2nd tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Think he proved at Reading that even that step up was too much for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Couldn't cut it at reading No, I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 He was blatenly miss bristol tho while at reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 I know he came from Villa, so did he ever play a game / come off the bench - can't be bothered to look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Without a doubt, he could have. He peaked too late to get a move to the prem though. Reading was because he didn't fit their style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant plucker Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 In a word - no! Had one great season for us (27 goals) and many good ones. Wasn't really that good when he came back if you recall - not by his own standards, tho Burns looks like he could be the next Murray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheasant plucker Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Without a doubt, he could have. He peaked too late to get a move to the prem though. Reading was because he didn't fit their style. Really? You see I didn't think he was anything like the old Scotty when he came back , just good , not great. Was never quite good enough for the PL for me, maybe a good championship player in his pomp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Was he better than Bolaise? IMHO yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 He did cut it in the championship, it's just once the manager that signed him got the sack he didn't get played for whatever reason. I believe he could have played in the prem yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 He played about 4 games in the Prem in 96/97 according to Soccerbase So the answer is yes, although you could argue it is actually no, as Villa sold him to us (then in the 3rd division) presumably because they didn't think he was good enough. Regardless IMHO think he could have played championship no probs but prob wasn't Prem class. That said if he'd gone up in one of those well organised 'tight' teams that hit the ground running after they go up, he might have been able to hold his own e.g. Reading when they went up the first time (after he'd been there). I shall now pick the spilnters from the fence out of my....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Really? You see I didn't think he was anything like the old Scotty when he came back , just good , not great. Was never quite good enough for the PL for me, maybe a good championship player in his pomp. The season he dropped 27 goals he was emense and would have fitted into any premier league team, when he went to Reading it was a different system and he wasnt the same after and was past his peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Possibly, as a squad player, with the right management around him. Certainly better than many Prem players I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prankerd Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 All I know was he was in the best city team iv seen in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I had a lot of time for Scotty, one of my favourite players of his time - can't quite understand why he only managed to produce that form for the one season as he always seemed to give it 100% and always seemed fully motivated - unlike the current lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westred1 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 His best season for us was obviously that 26 goal haul in 2002/03. I thought I'd look at the RM who were playing in the Prem at the point. He probably could've played back up RM at Villa, Bolton, Sunderland and WBA. Birmingham and Charlton didn't seem to have an out and out right midfielder/winger so probably could have done a job there. Purely opinionated and speculative obviously but if someone had taken a punt on him and played a similar style to we had that season he could've been successful. At Reading he was a regular under Pardew and when he moved on Murray didn't fit into the new manager's system. I swear I recall Pardew saying he would've taken Murray with him to West Ham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 He did actually play four games at right wing-back for Villa in the Prem in 1995. Obviously couldn't cut the mustard or they wouldn't have sold him to us a few divs down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Didn't Murray score a hat-trick from right wing in one of his first games for Reading?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Ashley Cole would've dealt with him, same with Mikel Silvestre(sp?). Jon Arne Risse wasn't the best defender (great Attacking full-back), and Nigel Winterburn may of been left for dead!? The rest of the left-backs in the early 2000s weren't a million miles better than Matty Hill or Mickey Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Garlandinho Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Was it Pardew that signed Scotty for Reading? But i remember after their change of manager Scotty got less playing time, and playing RB for them when he was playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Of course not - he's British. Stupid question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 It would all depend on how good the players around him were. A player like Scott relies on good service and balls in the right areas. Good players need to play with good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Was it Pardew that signed Scotty for Reading? But i remember after their change of manager Scotty got less playing time, and playing RB for them when he was playing. He was a RB when he signed for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Obviously better as an attacking winger/overlapping wing-back getting behind left-backs or cutting in and scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady bunch Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 As good a winger as I have seen in my time at the Gate from 1989. At his prime he would have been a good prem winger for sure, not top, top, but better then many others who have got a berth there in recent years. Reading as many have said was not his fault, manager and system changed after his arrive and the position he had shone (out and out winger, coming in from mainly the right) did not exist in the way Reading was set up. I have been lucky enough to meet him a few times since he stopped playing and he is a cracking fella and a true "ctiy" man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I would have liked to have seen him play alongside a Peacock or Adebola. Had the priceless ability to finish with ease just "passing" the ball into the net. I'll never forget that goal against Oldham on a Tuesday night. Made a tackle on edge of our own box, ran 60 yards and passed the ball round their keeper from the edge of their box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Scott Murray is a top, top bloke but unfortunately that fact is colouring peoples footballing memories of him. Murray was a decent third division winger and nothing more. Time spent at Villa and Reading proved he wasn't quite a Championship or above player. He would obviously improve City's struggling squad at the moment without any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 The fact he scored a hat-trick from ring-wing in his 2nd or 3rd game for Reading before the manager and position changes is astounding, and they were all individual goals if memory serves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I think he started off as a striker in the Scottish lower leagues scoring an obscene amount of goals. But with Dwight Yorke the first name on the team sheet at Villa, Brian Little came in and switched him to right-back (playing right wing-back in a 3-5-2 in four Prem starts). But he was a striker in Villa youth and reserve sides when Ron Atkinson was in charge and had loan offers from second tier clubs before the managerial change at Villa Park. Little wanted to spend time working on a positional change with Scott from striker training him to be an attacking full-back. John Ward always played him right-back in a back four for us before Benny and Pulis left him out. It was only under that caretaker trio of Rosenior/Fawthrop/Burnside that he started playing right-wing and came into his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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