where's the joy Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 its an old expression but its the one we used to describe how gerry gow took hold of a game and bossed a match from midfield. as in 'he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck' tin man used to do it when he had mickey bell at fullback and jim brennan as wing back with some sublime football taking hold of games by the scruff of the neck. today we don't have that. maybe marlin pack could become the man if played further forward but gillett, w.elliott and the rest can't give us this arrogance, the strength, the range of passing and the will to win. its what we have needed for ages and if we are going to avoid relegation this year we desperately need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewBCFC1 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 its an old expression but its the one we used to describe how gerry gow took hold of a game and bossed a match from midfield. as in 'he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck' tin man used to do it when he had mickey bell at fullback and jim brennan as wing back with some sublime football taking hold of games by the scruff of the neck. today we don't have that. maybe marlin pack could become the man if played further forward but gillett, w.elliott and the rest can't give us this arrogance, the strength, the range of passing and the will to win. its what we have needed for ages and if we are going to avoid relegation this year we desperately need. Hopefully when Kelly comes back Pack will get to play in a slightly more advanced role where he can do such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Steve Galliers. Gary Shelton. They used to do it. Not sure about Tinman, though you did qualify it by saying that his 'football' took games by the scruff of the neck. Unfortunately, the midfield 'terrier' or hardman is a dying breed these days. I remember the Mersey derbies of the eighties... Peter Reid v Steve MacMahon etc.. legs flying everywhere from first whistle to last. I am currently reading one of the many Brian Clough biographies. Although his own teams didn't necessarily set up that way, a lot of emphasis throughout the book is on Leeds. Norman Hunter, Billy Bremner etc. I miss the days of 'blood and thunder', and without wishing to sound xenophobic, I do blame the influx of the continentals for their demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I miss the days of 'blood and thunder', and without wishing to sound xenophobic, I do blame the influx of the continentals for their demise. Would that be continentals like Jack, Jack, super Jack, super Dziekanowski??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Would that be continentals like Jack, Jack, super Jack, super Dziekanowski??!! Touche my friend. :-) Obviously I would claim an exception in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Graeme Souness and Gerry Gow had some incredible battles. Steve McMahon was a genuine hard man, no question. I quite liked seeing Roy Keane go to battle with Bryan Robson, Gazza and David Batty while at Forest, and Batty, Ince and Viera while at Man U. Especially Keane-Viera, you knew if Keane could sort him out Utd were going to do Arsenal. I remember Vinnie Jones taking out Peter Reid in 5 or 6 seconds once, for Sheff Utd against Man City. Reidy was weary for the rest of the game. Steve Galliers actually left Wimbledon after a bust-up with Jones - I imagine there wasn't enough room for both; they both wanted to be the dominant midfielder. David Beckham for England against Greece in terms of workate and football-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 I bet Cotts can remember Steve Galliers - ex-Crazy Gang is Cotts. Vinnie was such a dominant prescence that Galliers left and Wisey was on the wing! Another combative midfielder in that mould, was Danny Wilson! He was the perfect foil for John Sheridan in that Sheff Weds midfield, Danny would be harassing the opposition and getting his foot in, playing it simply to Sheridan, before giving Sheridan instructions on where to play the ball with Sheridan's excellent passing ability - in a way it was like Wilson was using Sheridan's technical skill with his own vision and grafting, as he'd make intelligent runs with constant hand/arm gestures to his team-mates. Very good battling, 'scruff-of-the-neck', game-reading midfielder was Danny Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Two big disappointments in those moulds for us were Martin Kuhl and Paul Holland, who had both really excelled for other clubs earlier in their careers (esp Holland at Mansfield http://www.stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/paulhollandprofile.html ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Players would be arrested these days with these kinds of tackles - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vm0x8JpBU http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gKDolHoaTqs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where's the joy Posted February 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 the best exhibition i have seen down the gate in recent memory was neil lennon, now the celtic manager, playing for crewe in central midfield. none of his team got further than five yards from him as he would give the ball and demand it back. played us off the park. he took the game by the scruff of the neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Touche my friend. :-)Obviously I would claim an exception in that case.And you'd be right to!! Footballing genius - should be excused anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Roy Keane against Juventus in the semi-final was the ultimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Steven Gerard vs some inconsequential foreign team in the Champion's league final ,no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Gerrard was/is a class below Keane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 This Scruff of the Neck, is he the non-league version of Roy of the Rovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I bet Cotts can remember Steve Galliers - ex-Crazy Gang is Cotts. Vinnie was such a dominant prescence that Galliers left and Wisey was on the wing! Another combative midfielder in that mould, was Danny Wilson! He was the perfect foil for John Sheridan in that Sheff Weds midfield, Danny would be harassing the opposition and getting his foot in, playing it simply to Sheridan, before giving Sheridan instructions on where to play the ball with Sheridan's excellent passing ability - in a way it was like Wilson was using Sheridan's technical skill with his own vision and grafting, as he'd make intelligent runs with constant hand/arm gestures to his team-mates. Very good battling, 'scruff-of-the-neck', game-reading midfielder was Danny Wilson. Were they really playing in the same era? I'm knockin' on a bit and time plays funny tricks but I thought Galliers was from an earlier period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Joe Jordan very nearly took the appalling Gattuso by the scruff of the neck! Nice to see a bully bullied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Were they really playing in the same era? I'm knockin' on a bit and time plays funny tricks but I thought Galliers was from an earlier period. Perhaps he was. Cotts was there in the 80s though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRabbit Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you meant Vinnie, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Joe Jordan very nearly took the appalling Gattuso by the scruff of the neck! Nice to see a bully bullied For reference, see http://metro.co.uk/2011/02/16/gattusos-headbutt-on-joe-jordan-met-with-ridicule-on-twitter-639211/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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