Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paedophile-rights-campaign-still-causing-stink-harriet-harman-40-years-1437152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Very tenuous link there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm no fan of Ed and the brothers and sisters, and I definitely don't like Harriet Harperson, but this is absolute nonsense. A new depth, even for a rag with the very low standards of the Daily Mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Really? "In 1978, Harman claimed that sex abuse images should be given back to paedophiles by police who had seized them because doing otherwise would be censorship". Among the finds was a document by paedophile activists inside PIE written for parliament which claimed "girls as young as four months can achieve orgasm," four-year-old children can consent to sex, and sex with children can be "actually beneficial to the child." Looking back at the period when NCCL and PIE forged such strong bonds of solidarity to fight for the rights of child sex abusers, causes "horror and disgust" in the people who run Liberty today, the group admitted. Tenuous?, anybody trying to fight for the rights of paedophiles in any way shape or form has no right to be in the position of being a law maker IMO. At least the NCCL has had the guts to apologise for it's part in this sorry episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 This is a similar situation to Cameron and Osborne being part of an organisation campaigning for (among other things) Nelson Mandela to be executed. There's no smoke without fire, but you'll never prove that there was any direct involvement. It doesn't help that the Daily Mail is to investigative journalism as Nicky Hunt is to Premier League full backs, i.e. exceedingly shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Wow can't believe people are defending someone who publicly stated peado's should be handed back their material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Wow can't believe people are defending someone who publicly stated peado's should be handed back their material. Yep exactly, the same people would presumably give the Yorkshire ripper back his hammer or Rose West the remains of the people she helped to murder, the good news is that Harman's baby sitting business isn't doing so well. PS:- I would suspect that very soon Ms Harman and Mr Dromey will be issuing a writ against the DM, in fact i'm surprised they haven't already done so or perhaps then again perhaps they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm no fan of Ed and the brothers and sisters, and I definitely don't like Harriet Harperson, but this is absolute nonsense. A new depth, even for a rag with the very low standards of the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail has form on this with the "Zinoviev Letter" and "Hooray for the Blackshirts". A vile rag - I hesitate to use the word "newspaper". They're clearly worried about the next General Election, as indeed they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Really? "In 1978, Harman claimed that sex abuse images should be given back to paedophiles by police who had seized them because doing otherwise would be censorship". Among the finds was a document by paedophile activists inside PIE written for parliament which claimed "girls as young as four months can achieve orgasm," four-year-old children can consent to sex, and sex with children can be "actually beneficial to the child." Looking back at the period when NCCL and PIE forged such strong bonds of solidarity to fight for the rights of child sex abusers, causes "horror and disgust" in the people who run Liberty today, the group admitted. Tenuous?, anybody trying to fight for the rights of paedophiles in any way shape or form has no right to be in the position of being a law maker IMO. At least the NCCL has had the guts to apologise for it's part in this sorry episode. Harriett Harman is mentioned in the link below 'Labour25'. I'm pretty sure that Harriett Harman maybe the neice of the nutter Lord Longford that wanted the Moors murderers released. Anyway, she's mentioned in the link below of prominent Labour Party paedos...... http://labour25.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Must admit never heard of the International Business Times which ran the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The Daily Mail has form on this with the "Zinoviev Letter" and "Hooray for the Blackshirts". A vile rag - I hesitate to use the word "newspaper". They're clearly worried about the next General Election, as indeed they should be. Ah I see spin the fact that it is a matter of record that she in particular lobbied for paedophiles to have their vile porn returned to them into a party political point, wonderful. The 3 of them brought the group P.I.E into the NCCL and they were pretty much all paedophiles and there was a bit of clue in there, Paedophile Information Exchange and then lobbied on their behalf, even the NCCL have admitted their part in this scandal and have apologised. With all of the attempts of especially labour to gag the press and the Rebecca Brooks trial ongoing, the 3 of them could halt this in a heartbeat, I wonder why they haven't?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you want to find Tory peado story's there are hundreds online. I'm pretty sure that some Tory MP's are being investigated at this very moment in relation to the North Wales care home scandal. Just adding a bit of balance to the thread that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you want to find Tory peado story's there are hundreds online. I'm pretty sure that some Tory MP's are being investigated at this very moment in relation to the North Wales care home scandal. Just adding a bit of balance to the thread that's all. Link please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Link please?I'm sure you can find it Esmond,just google, North Wales care homes. It's on going at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I'm sure you can find it Esmond,just google, North Wales care homes. It's on going at the moment. and it will name names? in the interests of balance?. or is it more like failed labour candidate Sally Bercow making false allegations, against a dying man and paying the price? Edit:- Just googled no names, no political allegiances declared, just 100 suspects, 24 of whom are dead. PS:- it was somebody else that politicised this thread, I couldn't give a shit what their politics are a paedo is a paedo and people who defend and lobby on their behalf are apologists, a jihad on them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 and it will name names? in the interests of balance?. or is it more like failed labour candidate Sally Bercow making false allegations, against a dying man and paying the price? Edit:- Just googled no names, no political allegiances declared, just 100 suspects, 24 of whom are dead.Your not looking hard enough then! There's names if you really want to look,even an ex Tory Prime Minister who liked to go sailing. Perhaps your google only looks for other political parties Esmond Good luck,I'm going back to my work now! ukpaedos-exposed.com/...homes.../north-... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Very tenuous link there Very tenuous indeed, but mud sticks if it's slung hard enough. We've already seen Harriet Harman described as "a paedo" which is quite simply libellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Very tenuous indeed, but mud sticks if it's slung hard enough. We've already seen Harriet Harman described as "a paedo" which is quite simply libellous. You will have to actually explain how a letter that she wrote in 1978 and is a matter of record and in response to the protection of children bill, that the banning of child pornography would be an increase of censorship and that the onus of the law should to prove that the child was actually harmed in the making of the pornography and at the end of any failed trial their pornographic material should be returned to it's owner, can possibly be tenuous?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 A longer answer follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 > You will have to actually explain how a letter that she wrote in 1978 and is a matter of record and in response to the protection of children bill. Your quotes from her letter are clearly reported rather than verbatim, but I'll do my best to make allowances for that. > that the banning of child pornography would be an increase of censorship Of course it is. That's the point of it. The question is whether it's justified. At the time, the NCCL took the view guaranteed by the US First Amendment that Freedom of Speech is an inalienable right. This is no longer a popular view in this country, hence the Race Relations and Anti-terrorism acts. As a matter of record, the NCCL abandoned this position within three years of the letter. > and that the onus of the law should to prove that the child was actually harmed in the making of the pornography Very questionable even at the time and, in the light of today's knowledge, quite wrong. > and at the end of any failed trial their pornographic material should be returned to it's owner, The key word is "failed". Presumably, if the trial has failed then the material is not pornographic. > can possibly be tenuous?. What we see is a stubborn attempt to hold on to the concept of absolute freedom of speech, ironically now the domain of the Radical Right. I seem to recall the Young Conservatives getting in deep trouble for recommending something similar. This position may be foolish, but it is not sympathy for paedophiles, any more than the NCCL's defence of the British publishers of Mein Kampf showed sympathy for Nazis. What is unarguable is that the NCCL was taken for a ride by the self-styled Paedophile Information Exchange. One would hope that Ms Harman is rather less naive now than she was 37 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You will have to actually explain how a letter that she wrote in 1978 and is a matter of record and in response to the protection of children bill, that the banning of child pornography would be an increase of censorship and that the onus of the law should to prove that the child was actually harmed in the making of the pornography and at the end of any failed trial their pornographic material should be returned to it's owner, can possibly be tenuous?. Wasn't the letter not about child pornography legalisation, but more about the definition of pornography? Trying to avoid the situation - as arose later for Julia Somerville etc - where parents were investigated for taking a picture of their kids in the bath. That said the NCCL does seem to have been a hotbed of such hand-wringing liberals (small l) that all manner of nutters were allowed to advance their causes. I think the situation is being presented in a classic Daily Fail smear style, but those sort years are rightly an embarrassment to those who were in the organisation at the time - as Shami Chakrabarti has admitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 With all of the attempts of especially labour to gag the press and the Rebecca Brooks trial ongoing, the 3 of them could halt this in a heartbeat, I wonder why they haven't?. Rebecca Brooks? Wasn't she involved in tampering with the phone records of a murdered child to give parents false hope that she was alive? And if Labour are gagging the Press isn't it odd that Blair was advising her? But hey, this isn't political, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Wasn't the letter not about child pornography legalisation, but more about the definition of pornography? Trying to avoid the situation - as arose later for Julia Somerville etc - where parents were investigated for taking a picture of their kids in the bath. That said the NCCL does seem to have been a hotbed of such hand-wringing liberals (small l) that all manner of nutters were allowed to advance their causes. I think the situation is being presented in a classic Daily Fail smear style, but those sort years are rightly an embarrassment to those who were in the organisation at the time - as Shami Chakrabarti has admitted. Do you know what RR, I agree with everything that you say in the highlighted piece, the most pertinent sentence is in fact your very last sentence and this in yesterdays Guardian puts it nicely into perspective. http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/feb/20/dailymail-harrietharman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Your not looking hard enough then! There's names if you really want to look,even an ex Tory Prime Minister who liked to go sailing. Perhaps your google only looks for other political parties Esmond Good luck,I'm going back to my work now! ukpaedos-exposed.com/...homes.../north-... ....indeed, the same ex Tory PM that bought a yacht from the backhander he took (allegedly) in selling the UK out to the EEC. All Tories that were alive at the time need to hang their heads in shame over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 She now "regrets". Yeah I bet she does. Career over. I bet I wonder if she had links to the BBC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 She now "regrets". Yeah I bet she does. Career over. I bet I wonder if she had links to the BBC... Yes she has regrets, she's hardly done what Harvey Procter actually did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yes she has regrets, she's hardly done what Harvey Procter actually did. I saw the whole interview and she embarrassed herself and her party, a simple sorry over what happened would have been the gracious way to deal with it, like the nccl did weeks ago, she naively gave a bbc interview probably believing that they would go easy on her and the bbc for once set a rottweiler on her, she must be in trouble if the bbc and most of left favoring journo's are not happy with her, even Milliband in a sky interview wasn't wholly supportive of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I saw the whole interview and she embarrassed herself and her party, a simple sorry over what happened would have been the gracious way to deal with it, like the nccl did weeks ago, she naively gave a bbc interview probably believing that they would go easy on her and the bbc for once set a rottweiler on her, she must be in trouble if the bbc and most of left favoring journo's are not happy with her, even Milliband in a sky interview wasn't wholly supportive of her. Harriett Harman - like the rest of the Labour Party leadership - is from an upper middle class background and I very much doubt that she's ever had to do a shit job for a crap wage in her entire molly cossetted life. It's about time the Trades Union movement stopped financing these people as they certainly have not got the interests of ordinary working people at heart. Harriett Harman is even related to the lunatic Toff - Lord Longford - that wanted the Moors child murderers released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 its in the daily mail therefore its 99% bullshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 True enough for her to express "regret". I wonder if this peado organisation had any members employed by the BBC..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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