Talk Of The Town Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Currently 15,000 have signed for Cleverley not to be included in the current England squad. Roy Hodgson has just criticised this action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I might be a bit slow, dont read papers or even bother with news, so Why NOT?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I might be a bit slow, dont read papers or even bother with news, so Why NOT?? Why not what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Oh, i see so he hasnt been playing well for his club so lets ruin his chances for playing for England! What a bunch of wasters, they should come and watch our lot, "they would get life bans". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Why not what? Why not included in England squad? self ex planetary really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 A bit ridiculous. Since when was the national side picked by a democrstic process? It's Hodgson's job on the line so his decision. Think some people are getting ahead of themselves if they think this petition is hoing to make any difference. Tom Cleverly or not, England are highly unlikely to reach the 1/4 finals. Harsh to scapegoat one player for that. Never would have happened before the days of the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I don't rate him but the petition is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Why not included in England squad? self ex planetary really Because he's a shocking footballer. Simple as that But the petition is OTT, will hardly do anything to a young mans confidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted March 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Because he's a shocking footballer. Simple as that But the petition is OTT, will hardly do anything to a young mans confidence Shocking footballer is a tad harsh. He's a premiership footballer and league winner not a downs player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Anyone who has 'signed' that is not a proper England fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Shocking footballer is a tad harsh. He's a Premier League footballer and league winner not a downs player. Still can't believe how Man Utd won a premier league title with Cleverly and carrick in the midfield Think 7th is their rightful position with the players they have . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Still can't believe how Man Utd won a premier league title with Cleverly and carrick in the midfield Think 7th is their rightful position with the players they have . He only played in half their league games last season and some of those appearances were from the bench. I think the criticism has been a bit harsh. He's exposed in a central midfield two but looks good in a three. As for United, if you look at best starting elevens they should be 3rd or 4th but their squad is now so weak after that. When you have Young, Nani, Buttner and Welbeck as first reserves then it isn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 He's decent enough on his day. No need for that petition as he won't go to Brazil anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The England squad is nothing short of demoralising and abysmal. 4 GK's 3 CB's + many players not in form in front of some who deserve their chance to represent their country, such as the likes of A. Cole, Carrick & Cleverley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Because he's a shocking footballer. Simple as that But the petition is OTT, will hardly do anything to a young mans confidence hardly a shocking footballer he's help a club win the prem ffs, this petition is completely over the top and anyone one who's signed it should be ashamed of theirselfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The England squad is nothing short of demoralising and abysmal. 4 GK's 3 CB's + many players not in form in front of some who deserve their chance to represent their country, such as the likes of A. Cole, Carrick & Cleverley. Gerrard. Henderson. Lallana. Rodriguez. Sterling. Townsend. Rooney (CAM) will be first on the list. I would have Carrick ahead of Cleverley any day of the week as well At the moment he is no where near as good as those we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I ignore most Prem fans opinions of players as they just follow the trends rather than make an opinion for themselves. I remember arguing with some in a pub a while back during a friendly about the merits of Owen Hargreaves (at the time playing in Germany) and they all told me to shut up and that he wasn't fit to wear the shirt etc turned out to be our best player in the next major tournament. I don't rate Cleverly but Roy obviously does and so did SAF and I would like to think that they know a little bit more than me on the subject of good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Did you see that David Silva and Juan Mata(before joining United) had both said he's one of the best players they have played against. Now obviously a lot of people in high positions rate him(SAF, Hodgson, Moyes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The England squad is nothing short of demoralising and abysmal. 4 GK's 3 CB's + many players not in form in front of some who deserve their chance to represent their country, such as the likes of A. Cole, Carrick & Cleverley. Actually think for the first time in a while we've got some very good youngsters coming through Love to see a bit of progression at this world cup, and aim for the Euro's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 hardly a shocking footballer he's help a club win the prem ffs, this petition is completely over the top and anyone one who's signed it should be ashamed of theirselfs Ok, he's not a shocking footballer but he's not Manchester United standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ok, he's not a shocking footballer but he's not Manchester United standard Neither are Jones,Young and Smalling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Because he's a shocking footballer. Simple as that But the petition is OTT, will hardly do anything to a young mans confidence The arrogance (and ignorance) of your statement is unbelievable. Cleverly is a young player who has broken into the Man Utd first team over the last couple of years (something very few achieve). Not only did one of the greatest managers to ever live regularly include him in a title winning side, but he has regularly been selected for England squads in recent times. Bad form/ bad season or not (and you can argue that nearly all utd players have had a bad season), he's clearly not a 'shocking footballer', rather quite the opposite. I'm not cleverley's biggest fan either but this petition and comments like 'he's a shocking footballer' make the people who say/ write them look like such fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Actually think for the first time in a while we've got some very good youngsters coming through Love to see a bit of progression at this world cup, and aim for the Euro's.. The next Euros has Belgium written all over it. I just can't look past the youngsters they have that will be on top form by the next Euros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The next Euros has Belgium written all over it. I just can't look past the youngsters they have that will be on top form by the next Euros We have some very good youngsters as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 The arrogance (and ignorance) of your statement is unbelievable. Cleverly is a young player who has broken into the Man Utd first team over the last couple of years (something very few achieve). Not only did one of the greatest managers to ever live regularly include him in a title winning side, but he has regularly been selected for England squads in recent times. Bad form/ bad season or not (and you can argue that nearly all utd players have had a bad season), he's clearly not a 'shocking footballer', rather quite the opposite. I'm not cleverley's biggest fan either but this petition and comments like 'he's a shocking footballer' make the people who say/ write them look like such fools. I retracted my statement about him being a shocking footballer, but he's not Manchester United standard, yet. He is clearly struggling in a team that is slowly declining, and it's uncomfortable to watch a young man getting slaughtered everyday in the media/social sites (he deleted his twitter) and petitions like this, I agree it's disgusting and I hope he has thick skin. I seriously hope he achieves his potential as a football player, prove all the doubters (like myself) wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Typical of the radio phone in mentality too prevalent these days. I heard some dick say on Twentyman once that Skuse should play on the downs, another **** who thinks he knows more than Mick McCarthy, GJ, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Neither are Jones,Young and Smalling Jones is a good player, just need to find his right position and stick with it, the rest I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think it was set up in jest and snowballed a bit. There are much better midfielders in England than Cleverly and I don't think he should be anywhere near the squad on current form. Much rather Wilshire/Berkeley/The Ox even Henderson ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Currently 15,000 have signed for Cleverley not to be included in the current England squad. . Is it still the case that when an online petition reaches 100,000 it has to be debated in parliament... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Ok, he's not a shocking footballer but he's not Manchester United standard We'll he's a mid table player playing for a mid table club, I think he meets the standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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