SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Forgive me for being a bit of a detail freak, but is there a programme for the changes to AG? I'm interested to know what's happening when, and what will be done by when. It would seem that the programme is as follows: Lay new pitch, shifting it across 5 metres (underway) Take down East End, and rebuild Take down Williams, and rebuild Substantial refurb of Dolman, including extension across into space vacated by pitch move; add 'holes' to enable fans to enter through the stand rather than from the ends Muck about with the Atyeo as necessary (can happen during the above changes) What else is involved - are there improvements to the retail and conference facilities, for example? Sorry if this is all a bit detailed, but I've worked on a number of projects to plan redevelopments (in health) and am curious to know how it all plans to pan out. Is there a simple guide/web page, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think this was the original 4 stage plan mooted. I also noticed when flicking through the drawings, that the Dolman roof design may have changed: In one of the drawings, it extends towards the Atyeo, held up by awkward looking supports in the Atyeo/Dolman Corner. In the other, the existing roof is maintained, albeit extended to cover the lower tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thanks OddBallJim Where do I get to see all these plans, etc???? And is there going to be a regular update on the main club website, showing what's happening, especially over the summer break? Finally - WTF are we doing about pre-season friendlies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Forgive me for being a bit of a detail freak, but is there a programme for the changes to AG? I'm interested to know what's happening when, and what will be done by when. It would seem that the programme is as follows:Lay new pitch, shifting it across 5 metres (underway)Take down East End, and rebuildTake down Williams, and rebuildSubstantial refurb of Dolman, including extension across into space vacated by pitch move; add 'holes' to enable fans to enter through the stand rather than from the endsMuck about with the Atyeo as necessary (can happen during the above changes)What else is involved - are there improvements to the retail and conference facilities, for example? Sorry if this is all a bit detailed, but I've worked on a number of projects to plan redevelopments (in health) and am curious to know how it all plans to pan out. Is there a simple guide/web page, for example? The new Desso pitch will not be moved 5 metres across at the end of this season. It will be the same as the existing pitch. When the Williams is demolished a 5 m strip will be added to that side, and a 5 m strip,taken off the Dolman side. The pitch will also be 1m higher so the front rows of the Existing stands will be taken out. As for the rest presumably a high level project plan is available somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thanks OddBallJim Where do I get to see all these plans, etc???? And is there going to be a regular update on the main club website, showing what's happening, especially over the summer break? Finally - WTF are we doing about pre-season friendlies? There is a handy thread on another forum called skyscraper city - that's where I lifted these froms. ST holders were emailed some drawings in 2013 I believe... but I've long since lost mine. There's going to be a webcam set up once the building work starts and Jon Lansdown has said that he aims to have updated artists impressions with the fans over the course of the summer but made some lame excuse about keeping everything quiet after the AV fiasco. Pre-season will take place at AG I would imagine, although if the pitch isn't ready I'm sure we would have the option of reversing fixtures to the oppositions ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillzider Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think this was the original 4 stage plan mooted. I also noticed when flicking through the drawings, that the Dolman roof design may have changed: In one of the drawings, it extends towards the Atyeo, held up by awkward looking supports in the Atyeo/Dolman Corner. In the other, the existing roof is maintained, albeit extended to cover the lower tier. As the steps to the Dolman are being removed soon I assume the infill stand between Dolman and Wedlock will be built as part of phase 1 not phase 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The new Desso pitch will not be moved 5 metres across at the end of this season. It will be the same as the existing pitch. When the Williams is demolished a 5 m strip will be added to that side, and a 5 m strip,taken off the Dolman side. The pitch will also be 1m higher so the front rows of the Existing stands will be taken out. As for the rest presumably a high level project plan is available somewhere. Crikey. Perhaps they should put the pitch on wheels to make it easier to move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What else is involved - are there improvements to the conference facilities, for example? I don't think we are involved with the new Rovers stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillzider Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thanks OddBallJim Where do I get to see all these plans, etc???? And is there going to be a regular update on the main club website, showing what's happening, especially over the summer break? Finally - WTF are we doing about pre-season friendlies? Latest plans are here http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=N192TBDN00J00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I don't think we are involved with the new Rovers stadium. :laughcont: :laughcont: :laughcont: :laughcont: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Latest plans are here http://planningonline.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=N192TBDN00J00 Ah. No TPOs, I see. That's good. No Bats, Badgers or Newts either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RegC Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Thanks OddBallJim Where do I get to see all these plans, etc???? And is there going to be a regular update on the main club website, showing what's happening, especially over the summer break? Finally - WTF are we doing about pre-season friendlies? We're NOT playing Willem II despite ALL the fans wanting it (allegedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 We're NOT playing Willem II despite ALL the fans wanting it (allegedly) Oh FFS, surely the Board could sort that out, it's a total no-brainer. Maybe when the 'new' AG is ready they might invite them over to open it with a nice little game? Come on, guys, you'd be guaranteed a decent crowd in they came. Miles better than playing bl00dy Southampton, or Bournemuff, or anyone else from a higher division within 90 miles of BS3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think this was the original 4 stage plan mooted. I also noticed when flicking through the drawings, that the Dolman roof design may have changed: In one of the drawings, it extends towards the Atyeo, held up by awkward looking supports in the Atyeo/Dolman Corner. In the other, the existing roof is maintained, albeit extended to cover the lower tier. I think that early image which depicted the dolman roof canopy near the atyeo was just that - an image; a visualisation. It didn't appear on any planning doc as far as I'm aware. However, there has been a slight modification to the roof design in the recent revision, involving a different support truss for the extension over the lower tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcshorey Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I believe the Dolman will be refurbed before the williams gets knocked down... I'm guessing the facilities that will be lost from the williams will be located in the wedlock and/or dolman, directors box, media box and gantry etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The lower dolman will be going dec 14/jam 15 apart from block m (?) which goes straight away to allow access to dolman bar. Only tv gantry going in upper dolman, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchers Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I hope that the toilets and snack outlets will be fit for purpose. The toilets are no where near large enough, causing congestion at various times as do the snack areas. Half time saturday at kiosk 6 in the Atyeo, there was One girl serving the queue, and she was running out of stock.What a shambles.Not for the first time this season. It appears that anything like food, drink or toilets are just an afterthought, not big enough, not staffed enough and just the bare minimum as an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 The pitch will also be 1m higher so the front rows of the Existing stands will be taken out. Really? Where did you hear about that? Must have missed it. So that would surely result in a loss of not insignificant capacity if it is the first few rows all around the stadium... I presume this is something to do with the installation of under soil heating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Really? Where did you hear about that? Must have missed it. So that would surely result in a loss of not insignificant capacity if it is the first few rows all around the stadium... I presume this is something to do with the installation of under soil heating? The plastic strands for the Desso are punched into the soil to a depth that will hold them securely. I think it's something like 30cm but stand to be corrected, DL has said that the first row of seats will be removed from existing stands. Presumably the new stands will be built to accommodate the new level of the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Has some sort of time frame been given for when each part should be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Has some sort of time frame been given for when each part should be done? Roughly speaking, new wedlock ready for start of 15/16, most of the dolman changes around the same time. New Williams up and running for start of 16/17 season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manon Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think it's something like 30cm but stand to be corrected, DL has said that the first row of seats will be removed from existing stands. Presumably the new stands will be built to accommodate the new level of the pitch? Presumably the new stands will be built to accommodate the new level of the pitch? Good point. So it is only the atyeo which will really be affected (equating to around 150-175 seats), although one could argue that the dolman will be losing capacity as well, at least potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS34Red Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Good point. So it is only the atyeo which will really be affected (equating to around 150-175 seats), although one could argue that the dolman will be losing capacity as well, at least potentially.Old Trafford had a Desso pitch installed last season, the level of their pitch was also raised but ive not seen anything about them removing rows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS34Red Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I've not seen much of the Dolman plans, is it going to be fitted out with toilets and concourses and turnstiles? Is the DEH going to be no more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I've not seen much of the Dolman plans, is it going to be fitted out with toilets and concourses and turnstiles? Is the DEH going to be no more? Was thinking that as I was sat in it last Saturday. I know the new entrances will break it up a bit on the ground floor, but there should be scope for a mezzanine floor with a bar and seats. The little bar at the Atyeo end is the next level up, so plenty of empty space to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS34Red Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Was thinking that as I was sat in it last Saturday. I know the new entrances will break it up a bit on the ground floor, but there should be scope for a mezzanine floor with a bar and seats. The little bar at the Atyeo end is the next level up, so plenty of empty space to play with.There is a lot of wasted space in the Dolman, as you said there is already that bar so plenty of space the next level up. The DEH is a good space, would be a shame to replace it with toilets etc when all that could be the next level up. But I'm guessing with better concourse facilities in the other stands and a 'pub' the demand for the DEH will be much lower. I also guess some corparate and media facilities will be built to allow for when the Williams goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 The lower dolman will be going dec 14/jam 15 apart from block m (?) which goes straight away to allow access to dolman bar. Only tv gantry going in upper dolman, Regarding the TV gantry going into the Dolman, is this a permanent switch or temporary while the redevelopment takes place? Will be strange to see footage from the other side of the ground to usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Regarding the TV gantry going into the Dolman, is this a permanent switch or temporary while the redevelopment takes place? Will be strange to see footage from the other side of the ground to usual. Temporary I believe whilst the Williams is being rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Temporary I believe whilst the Williams is being rebuilt. Correct. Once the Williams is built the gantry will be under the williams roof truss......way up in the gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Good point. So it is only the atyeo which will really be affected (equating to around 150-175 seats), although one could argue that the dolman will be losing capacity as well, at least potentially. Aren't there new seats for the front of the Dolman ? I guess that would mean less new seats rather than losing current ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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