Lew-T Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 It seems to me that Cotts has been provided with a big budget this summer after bringing Freeman and Ayling ( possible ) but also was given money to spend on Elliot, Nosworthy and Paterson. All very high earners I'd imagine. Do you think SOD had his hands tied a little? Granted he brought in JET but that was a swap deal for Anderson. He might have brought big players and still been unsuccessful but I still think it's interesting. SL must have faith in Cotts, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chipdawg Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I think Cotteril has been lucky with the timing as much as anything. SOD did a lot of clearing out to get the wage bill under control but didn't have much room to manouvre. Cotts has reaped not only the benefit of a manageable wage bill, but also the contracts of several highly paid players expiring. Timing as much as anything, but he definitely has the backing of the board too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm sure that SL had faith in SOD too, otherwise he wouldn't have appointed him SC has got lucky in as much he was the man who could clear Carey, Elliott, Fontaine, Pearson (think I'm missing another one out there, but can't think who it is!) out. Massive saving in wages, which can be reinvested in cheaper, hopefully hungrier, hopefully better players. He was obviously also backed with some excellent loan signings, which SL would have to have approved. Rich, our resident Swindon fan, summed it up nicely last season when Nosworthy and Paterson signed, believe he said something along the line of 'signings like that is why Bristol City were never going to get relegated'. No matter how worried we all were about the possibility I'm sure most other fans in and around the drop zone were thinking the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 It seems to me that Cotts has been provided with a big budget this summer after bringing Freeman and Ayling ( possible ) but also was given money to spend on Elliot, Nosworthy and Paterson. All very high earners I'd imagine. Do you think SOD had his hands tied a little? Granted he brought in JET but that was a swap deal for Anderson. He might have brought big players and still been unsuccessful but I still think it's interesting. SL must have faith in Cotts, that's for sure. It's possible but ,although i liked SOD and his approach,he failed. If he failed to work with SL ,unfortunately , that was his his biggest mis take .However we shall never know and it serves ill to reopen the wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 If Napolean had been a football club owner he might have said give me a lucky manager not a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 If Napolean had been a football club owner he might have said give me a lucky manager not a good one. He would have been quite successful in Europe though not against British clubs ,meh ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 SL has always backed our managers with funding. Nothing new there. Difference now is that SC has clearly done a lot of planning, scouting and work to identify who he wants and who will improve the team, rather than just add numbers to the squad. SL clearly likes and trusts him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Slight twist on this but Cotterill said when he got the job. Give me the tools and i'll win you the league. Perhaps SL is giving him the tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 SL has always backed our managers with funding. Nothing new there. Difference now is that SC has clearly done a lot of planning, scouting and work to identify who he wants and who will improve the team, rather than just add numbers to the squad. SL clearly likes and trusts him. I'm liking his scouting technique...hanging out in Dubai Gyms and bumping into footballers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm liking his scouting technique...hanging out in Dubai Gyms and bumping into footballers... shame Ronaldo and Messi weren't there, maybe SL should of sent him to the world cup next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 It seems to me that Cotts has been provided with a big budget this summer after bringing Freeman and Ayling ( possible ) but also was given money to spend on Elliot, Nosworthy and Paterson. All very high earners I'd imagine.Do you think SOD had his hands tied a little? Granted he brought in JET but that was a swap deal for Anderson. He might have brought big players and still been unsuccessful but I still think it's interesting. SL must have faith in Cotts, that's for sure. Nope he failed, neither of the journeymen he signed worked, none of his loan signings worked and he played a system that isolated his best striker and as has been said elsewhere he set his team up to counter our opponents and that is not only not the BCFC way but a morale boost for our opponents before the first ball is kicked. But to be fair he added to the academy infrastructure that DMC had started and left SC with a few promising signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 He also bought shorey, dunk, harewood, O'Connor and osbourne on loan I don't think his hands were tied, he was just absolutely useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm liking his scouting technique...hanging out in Dubai Gyms and bumping into footballers... Got more of chance in Dubai than SOD's brummie holiday destination, Brean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Slight twist on this but Cotterill said when he got the job. Give me the tools and i'll win you the league. Perhaps SL is giving him the tools. Lets at least wait until the first game until we call our new players tools please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Everyone, especially SOD, knew that last season was going to be tough but that money would be available this summer with senior players leaving. Obviously SOD would have preferred to stay in the job until now, but he knew the situation when he took over. I still firmly believe that SOD was the right man at the wrong time. He'd be great at building something for the long term but you can't build for the long term when the club's in a death spiral. You need someone positive and inspiring like Cotterill or Johnson to get out of that situation. We just have to hope that this time around the directors can spot the right time to transition to a coach with more long term ideas (or, indeed, that Cotterill can be that man). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedM Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 I notice that several of the players have said Cotterill's enthusiasm and drive, passion and vision for the club was a factor. Ok maybe not the deciding one as they will look at other things first. SoD may have been a brilliant coach but perhaps to many young players they couldn't relate to him like they would Cotterill. For me it would be like taking tennis lessons from Andy Murray, I might learn a lot but I couldn't stand the tuition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Slight twist on this but Cotterill said when he got the job. Give me the tools and i'll win you the league. Perhaps SL is giving him the tools. Bit harsh...calling his new signings tools.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Not really a huge budget. SCMP isnt about transfer fees it's wages to Turnover and successive cuts since Del was in charge and a much smaller, younger squad means that there is a lot to play about with as wages are less and there are less players being paid Only Millen and Delboy were really tied in terms of money for signings, but everyone had some and did with it what they could SOD didnt have his hands tied, he just wasnt the man for the job. He bought players who should have worked out especially Shorey etc, but like everything else he turned us to rack and ruin. SC has a vision a vibe and seemingly a plan, rather than moan about it, he's just getting on with it and I think that's where the difference is How much did Millen spend on Stead and Pitman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 SOD went along with the "5 pillars" mantra just to get the job, Cotts has come in and said "carry on like this and we're screwed". So no, I don't think Cotts is fortunate, he has just stood up the the suits and said "let me manage my way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 How much did Millen spend on Stead and Pitman? And how much did Del spend on Baldock and Davies?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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'Orns Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 And how much did Del spend on Baldock and Davies?! Not exactly hand tied then, the pair of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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'Orns Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Both had spats with Sexstone in the papers about money and not being able to sign players. Macauley and Billy Jones seem to be the ones from memory. And that's been the only time afaik where hands have been tied. Del also had to cut Wages by half Wasn't it more the case that West Bromwich Albion are just a hell of a lot more attractive than Bristol City in this case? If we have a limit then we stick to it. What's the point of trying to match a Premiership club? Heard Del on talksport saying he cut wages in half, I'd love to know how he managed it, because I'm pretty certain he couldn't have got anywhere near doing that. I liked the bloke, and was obviously desperate for him to succeed, but lost a bit of respect for the guy after hearing the interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Both had spats with Sexstone in the papers about money and not being able to sign players. Macauley and Billy Jones seem to be the ones from memory. And that's been the only time afaik where hands have been tied. Del also had to cut Wages by half I'm not suggesting they didn't have to deal with their own pressures, but they both made significant signings that would have taken significant financial resources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Wasn't it more the case that West Bromwich Albion are just a hell of a lot more attractive than Bristol City in this case? If we have a limit then we stick to it. What's the point of trying to match a Premier League club? Heard Del on talksport saying he cut wages in half, I'd love to know how he managed it, because I'm pretty certain he couldn't have got anywhere near doing that. I liked the bloke, and was obviously desperate for him to succeed, but lost a bit of respect for the guy after hearing the interview I think the wage bill at the time was 18 million (when he came in) and he left it at 12 million (when SoD) came in, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corleone Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Mciness had funds to spend he just didn't use it wisely. The reason why we are suddenly signing class players at this level is simply because the Kilkenny, Fontaine, Elliott and Pearson wages have cleared up a huge amount of cash. It's as simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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