Mr Mosquito Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Even though former British army chief Richard Dannatt argues that Britain should consider some kind of alliance with Syria's President Assad the Tories forbid this alliance. Are the Tory EU loving traitors in bed with the Islamic Jihadists as well ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Don't be naive. It's probably already happening. You spout some drivel sometimes Mr Goblin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Don't get me started. I'm not going to say anything, for the good of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 The enemy of my enemy is my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Election coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 The enemy of my enemy is my friend I thought one of the top Tories was heard to say something along the lines of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but a potentially dangerous friend? Only last year the Tories wanted to arm the Jihadists to fight President Assad's legitimate regime. I've not yet heard the Labour Party Grandee Supremo and Middle East 'Peace Envoy' Tony Blair's stance on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted August 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Don't be naive. It's probably already happening. You spout some drivel sometimes Mr Goblin ....you've got a short memory, it was only last year that the Tory High Kommand was gobbing off about sending in British troops to attack President Assad. Their BBC propaganda news and views unit was in full swing denouncing President Assad's legitimate regime. Who do the Tories think they are? Labour Party Tony Blair type World Policemen wanting to take 'peace and socialism' to Syria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 ....you've got a short memory, it was only last year that the Tory High Kommand was gobbing off about sending in British troops to attack President Assad. Their BBC propaganda news and views unit was in full swing denouncing President Assad's legitimate regime. Who do the Tories think they are? Labour Party Tony Blair type World Policemen wanting to take 'peace and socialism' to Syria? In what way do you think his regime is "legitimate "? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 There still trying to save face after backing the wrong side in the Syrian conflict, went a bit quiet after the chemical bomb that went up was not Assads but the terrorists Cameron backed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I should point out that our government never backed IS or any jihadist group, they backed the Free Syrian Army which was largely elements of the Syrian military which decided to oppose Assad. To what extent they became one and the same is debatable and given the direction the conflict took, we'd have undoubtedly helps extremists, but it's pie in the sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I should point out that our government never backed IS or any jihadist group, they backed the Free Syrian Army which was largely elements of the Syrian military which decided to oppose Assad. To what extent they became one and the same is debatable and given the direction the conflict took, we'd have undoubtedly helps extremists, but it's pie in the sky They aren't the same at all, Chip. There's a map in today's Times showing the territories in Syria controlled by the various groups. The FSA still holds swathes of the country, but of course isn't as well funded as IS or gets the foreign Jihadis - they are a secular, Non-denominational organisation. I said to someone today the partial solution to IS is to put pressure on Turkey - an erstwhile Nato member and supposed "friend". Turkey has an Islamist PM who has been tacitly encouraging IS by failing to secure his country's border with Syria and Iraq. This has allowed foreign fighters and arms to flow into, and purloined oil to flow out of IS areas. Turkey has a big army and it could completely shut those borders. The country needs to be pressurised into making this happen. They carry nearly as great a responsibility for the beheadings and ethnic cleansing as the Saudis and Qataris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I thought one of the top Tories was heard to say something along the lines of the enemy of my enemy is my friend but a potentially dangerous friend? Only last year the Tories wanted to arm the Jihadists to fight President Assad's legitimate regime. I've not yet heard the Labour Party Grandee Supremo and Middle East 'Peace Envoy' Tony Blair's stance on this issue. IS and FSA are 2 very separate groups, and the FSA are fighting IS as best they can on one front and Assad on the other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 They aren't the same at all, Chip. There's a map in today's Times showing the territories in Syria controlled by the various groups. The FSA still holds swathes of the country, but of course isn't as well funded as IS or gets the foreign Jihadis - they are a secular, Non-denominational organisation. I said to someone today the partial solution to IS is to put pressure on Turkey - an erstwhile Nato member and supposed "friend". Turkey has an Islamist PM who has been tacitly encouraging IS by failing to secure his country's border with Syria and Iraq. This has allowed foreign fighters and arms to flow into, and purloined oil to flow out of IS areas. Turkey has a big army and it could completely shut those borders. The country needs to be pressurised into making this happen. They carry nearly as great a responsibility for the beheadings and ethnic cleansing as the Saudis and Qataris. Unbelievable. Turkey have done exactly what their western allies want them to do. The same organisations that seemed more than happy for a brigade of Chechens to pass through. Before IS took Mosul, groups like Al Nursra were getting MANPADs (ground to air) to take out Syrian choppers. Where do you suppose they came from? Since the "rise" of IS Turkey HAS tightened its borders to stop the flow of jihadist recruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I should point out that our government never backed IS or any jihadist group, they backed the Free Syrian Army which was largely elements of the Syrian military which decided to oppose Assad. To what extent they became one and the same is debatable and given the direction the conflict took, we'd have undoubtedly helps extremists, but it's pie in the sky I've heard it suggested that Assad fought against all the groups opposing him but effectively allowed IS to become the strongest of the groups against him by not fighting them as hard as he felt that would be the only way he could get the West to support him and keep him in power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Unbelievable. Turkey have done exactly what their western allies want them to do. The same organisations that seemed more than happy for a brigade of Chechens to pass through. Before IS took Mosul, groups like Al Nursra were getting MANPADs (ground to air) to take out Syrian choppers. Where do you suppose they came from? Since the "rise" of IS Turkey HAS tightened its borders to stop the flow of jihadist recruits. Not very well then as literally thousands of foreign fighters have gone one way and hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil the other. Still. Read the Mirror Online (you don't have to buy it) and you'll see an interview with. British jihadist who tells the Mirror's undercover man he has had "no difficulty " getting to the Syrian border via Turkey. The implication is he has done it more than once. Turkey has said it gets millions of tourists each year and "cannot stop every one who has a beard". Maybe not, but not many tourists go anywhere near the border zone. That could be insulated. The fact is foreign jihadis are still getting through. Just look at the case of those twin teenaged girls. That was very recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 They aren't the same at all, Chip. There's a map in today's Times showing the territories in Syria controlled by the various groups. The FSA still holds swathes of the country, but of course isn't as well funded as IS or gets the foreign Jihadis - they are a secular, Non-denominational organisation. I said to someone today the partial solution to IS is to put pressure on Turkey - an erstwhile Nato member and supposed "friend". Turkey has an Islamist PM who has been tacitly encouraging IS by failing to secure his country's border with Syria and Iraq. This has allowed foreign fighters and arms to flow into, and purloined oil to flow out of IS areas. Turkey has a big army and it could completely shut those borders. The country needs to be pressurised into making this happen. They carry nearly as great a responsibility for the beheadings and ethnic cleansing as the Saudis and Qataris. That was kind of the point I was making. What the conflict on Syria became and what it started out as were very different things, with very different protagonists at the fore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 If Assad should fall, his oppressive regime would be replaced by Iranian backed Muslim Fundamentalists. Therefore the current evil dictator is better for us than what his replacement will be. Going off on a tangent. Football fans with a history or even suspiscion of trouble are banned from going abroad for England's matches. Meanwhile the Government is struggling to find a way of stopping young Muslims from going off to fight anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Its simple with football fans they are known and only stopped for a few days at a time. These people are unknown and can go at anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Depends how extreme you want to be Is internment too harsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Its simple with football fans they are known and only stopped for a few days at a time. These people are unknown and can go at anytime. Not to worry, the jihadists will have an ASBO slapped on them when they get back...if we can find out who they are. It's all under control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Not to worry, the jihadists will have an ASBO slapped on them when they get back...if we can find out who they are. It's all under control. I had to smile at that. The "no beheading asbo" idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 I had to smile at that. The "no beheading asbo" idea. Well beheading is antisocial! Its a great idea. God forbid what they would get if they were pwoper nawty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Is that same god that Muslims, Jews and Christians believe in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Well beheading is antisocial! Its a great idea. God forbid what they would get if they were pwoper nawty A "genocide control order" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Not to worry, the jihadists will have an ASBO slapped on them when they get back...if we can find out who they are. It's all under control. That is a joke, Muslims don't like them for dragging Islam through the dirt, the British people don't like them because they are taking the piss. The only people who seem to want to protect them is the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 The enemy of my enemy is my friend The same moto that armed the Taliban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Not strictly true as the Taliban didn't exist then, but yes, elements of their ranks would of undoubtedly been mujahadeen fighters that we trained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 That is a joke, Muslims don't like them for dragging Islam through the dirt, the British people don't like them because they are taking the piss. The only people who seem to want to protect them is the government. Muslims are hardly out protesting on the streets about it though are they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Not strictly true as the Taliban didn't exist then, but yes, elements of their ranks would of undoubtedly been mujahadeen fighters that we trained. Yeah, but often do we arm the lesser of two evils only to misjudge how evil the lesser is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Muslims are hardly out protesting on the streets about it though are they. Errm... What we gonna do rock up at the IS embassy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.