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Exiled Robin : Should We Have Sold Sam Baldock?


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At the end of the day....if a player wants to leave, which I think Sam did, there is not a lot you can do so yeah, we were right to sell.

If City had stood firm, how committed would Sam have been for the rest of the season. I am not doubting his proffesionalism but like any one of us, in any walk of life, if a better opportunity comes up, with more money....and your employers stopped you, how committed and passionate would you be for the remainder of the time you were there?

Also....players running down a contract is a risky game. Imagine if he did, then had a career ending injury in March.

He wanted to move, It is possibly his last chance at a 'big signing on fee' and the security of a four year contract, its playing for a club who are where we would love to be in 5 years time.

We move on and hope this new kiddie can fill the void

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Well balanced article. Echoes the thoughts of many of us.

Whether the announcement was delayed. Who knows. It might have affected a few (I mean three or four) peoples decision on whether to get a s/t, but 99.95% of us are already spoken for, so it would seem a bit pointless to do so.

 

i'd give the captaincy to Smith over Elliott simply because of contract terms and building for the future. Elliott can mentor him this season.

 

We needed another striker before Agard came in so I reckon we still need one know. The next few days might be interesting.

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I would agree with most, if not all, of that.  There will always be voices of doom and gloom when a top player is sold, but there was an air of inevitability about this once we signed Agard. A week ago everyone was fairly happy with the squad, and that was before he signed.  I have a feeling that Cotts still has some deals to do, but he must have signed Keiron knowing that the game was almost up with Sam, so that represents the fact that a plan was in place.  The (non) reported fee may be disappointing, but we just have to think of how Maynard's market value decreased in 4-5 months between Leicester's 6 million bid and the eventual sale to West Ham. And my recollection is that NM played well below his potential as he was running the clock down on his contract.

 

No football club needs players who would rather be somewhere else where they know they realistically could be.  It will be interesting to see if we land any more major signings, a lot of people have been speculating about where SC would most want to strengthen the squad, especially now that the strike force looks weaker (compared with this weekend) and the way that JET is going to progress is unpredictable to say the least!

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Overall the article is good but I don't like how you quote figures I.e. Baldock's fee and wage without actually knowing. You write as if the numbers are factual.

Plus you compare the Baldock and Assombolonga fees but do not compare the lengths of contracts.

 

Yes he did.

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Quite simply, I no longer believe we are promotion contenders..thats our captain and 20 goals a season gone in a moment. We'll see what happens though. Agard could turn out to be a great buy, but we need to sign another striker.

Agree, we need to be competing with the likes of Brighton f.f.s not selling them our best players. What have they got that's so great

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At the end of the day....if a player wants to leave, which I think Sam did, there is not a lot you can do so yeah, we were right to sell.

If City had stood firm, how committed would Sam have been for the rest of the season. I am not doubting his proffesionalism but like any one of us, in any walk of life, if a better opportunity comes up, with more money....and your employers stopped you, how committed and passionate would you be for the remainder of the time you were there?

Also....players running down a contract is a risky game. Imagine if he did, then had a career ending injury in March.

He wanted to move, It is possibly his last chance at a 'big signing on fee' and the security of a four year contract, its playing for a club who are where we would love to be in 5 years time.

We move on and hope this new kiddie can fill the void

This, absolutely this. People need to remember that Sam was the one who told Cots about Brightons interest before the very first bid, which suggests he/his agent were contacted and a certain level of interest to leave. This concept of 'keeping' a player is nonsense in football and i agree with your example above. I think it would have become reality and we'd have a player who'd have become resentful leading to another Maynard situation. Personally, i think this is a great bit of business for a player with a year left on his contract. Time to move on.

The only thing that needs to be managed carefully is the ripple effect this could have on the rest of the team. Time will tell.

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 Personally, i think this is a great bit of business for a player with a year left on his contract.

 

And there's the crux of it.  In another thread fans are still exercising their vitriol about Nicky Maynard, while Sam Baldock retains his stately status.  Yet Baldock has, as far as I can see, behaved in exactly the same was as Maynard by refusing to sign a new contract and effectively holding the club to ransom.  We had no option but to sell him, but he has cost us a lot of money by refusing to accept a new deal (while at the same time professing his apparent love for Bristol and his happiness to remain at City.  Yeah right.). 

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Classic example of not letting your prize assets get down to the last year of their contract !!

 

I wonder how far back this goes?, to me when he was on fire for us last season, a contract should have been put under his nose immediately.

Whether this was done or not remains to be seen, but certainly odd that nothing has come out of the club explaining this.

 

Can we blame the player? No, he has gone somewhere higher up the ladder than us, may have been a gamble with his career staying with us to see if he could get to the level of BHA, as they were pushing for promotion to the Prem last season can't really say it was a tough decision for him

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But that is what we were investing in, selling our prize asset was crazy, even if we had lost on a transfer fee in the summer, but but then we might have been Championship anyway, who knows he might have signed a new contract.

Anyway the King is Dead, God Save The King.

Aye we are investing in that but there is no garantee we will be playing it next season,

Do we risk letting him go on a free even if we got promoted or do we get as much as we can for him?

I really thought he would stay but it's totally understandable why we have sold him and for once we sold a player on our terms after we got a replacement in,

The club looks like it's finally learnt on that front and should be commended,

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Agree, we need to be competing with the likes of Brighton f.f.s not selling them our best players. What have they got that's so great

 

A fantastic shiny new stadium that is already built, a larger fan base and an impressive track record in the past 2 seasons, longer contract terms and higher wages but apart from that and Championship football- absolutely nothing.

 

Why anyone believes that a club can force a player to stay is beyond me and talk of selling a prized asset is naive when it is clear Sam wanted to go.

 

Every player we have is going to leave. And as for anyone believing that our promotion hopes are now over as a result is more a comment on our fans than our club.  

 

AS for all the talk of Assombalonga- different style of player entirely, long contract, younger and already proving his worth at Forest.

 

Meanwhile- thanks Exiled Robin- enjoy your articles and in this case I think you've answered your own questions.

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Classic example of not letting your prize assets get down to the last year of their contract !!

 

I wonder how far back this goes?, to me when he was on fire for us last season, a contract should have been put under his nose immediately.

Whether this was done or not remains to be seen, but certainly odd that nothing has come out of the club explaining this.

 

True, but much easier said than done.

He initially signed a 3 year contract with us. After year 1 we were relegated when he had probably hoped we'd be doing a whole lot better (not going to be contract talks then are there). After year 2 he he had had a great season but the team had largely struggled and only salvaged the season in the last few months. I'm certain during last season the club would have had informal discussions with SB/ his agent re a new contract. Having said that, do you really think he would have signed a new deal last season or this summer? Put yourself in his shoes, he 100% wouldn't. The truth is we have never been in a position to get him signed up again.

I agree that in an ideal world you avoid this happening (like with Maynard) however I don't think the club has been at fault with SB.

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Good article and sound arguments. I think the club was right to sell and did well to get a replacement in ahead of time. Signing Agard only really made sense as Baldock's replacement, so things have worked out well and the extra couple of weeks will help Agard to settle in. Maybe it won't make a huge difference but it can't hurt.

 

Now I think we need to look for a 4th striker. My thoughts when we signed Agard was that, unless Baldock was leaving, we should have been looking for a player in a similar position to Agard when Rotherham signed him, not one in the position he is now. Now we need a 4th striker I think that's the sort of player we should look for. Someone young, unproven and cheap who may not succeed but won't be an expensive failure.

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I do believe we are a weaker side with Baldock gone. 

 

Don't expect too much of Agard, he is going to take time to bed in. Agard will aimlessly run around for the first few games, trying to find where he should be playing.

 

Optimism and promotion hope dampened.  

Like Baldock did this season

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But that is what we were investing in, selling our prize asset was crazy, even if we had lost on a transfer fee in the summer, but but then we might have been Championship anyway, who knows he might have signed a new contract.

 

Anyway the King is Dead, God Save The King. 

I find myself in agreement with Ten, Now lets get behind Agard and give him the encouragement he deserves. No point in castigating the Club, Manager or even Sammy B.  :chant6ez:  You Reds! :chant6ez:

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Sam was only "on fire" for less than half the season. He came good in the end when he was given more space and not played as a lone striker. But I do think people are possibly over inflating his part in the team. We have done well since Albert left with new and different kinds of players, so why not without Sam? I think we have a decent squad to push on for promotion. This isn't the end, but the beginning of a new chapter to which we will adapt and evolve into a better team. 

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