Jesus Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I was shocked to hear that Roy Hodgson has never been to the liberty stadium during his time as England manager. Surely Nathan Dyer should be ahead of Delph? Routledge and even Jonjo Shelvey should be looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Not sure if it definitely true (just because Garry Monk said so doesn't mean it is). What is the case is that shit players at "big" clubs such as Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Glen Johnson get picked for England whereas players at unfashionable ones such as Nathaniel Clyne at Soton, Jason Puncheon at Palace and at least a couple of Swansea players that you mentioned do not. Caulker suddenly got dropped when he was at Cardiff too and he's far better than the 2 Man U clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Not sure if it definitely true (just because Garry Monk said so doesn't mean it is). What is the case is that shit players at "big" clubs such as Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Glen Johnson get picked for England whereas players at unfashionable ones such as Nathaniel Clyne at Soton, Jason Puncheon at Palace and at least a couple of Swansea players that you mentioned do not. Caulker suddenly got dropped when he was at Cardiff too and he's far better than the 2 Man U clowns. I agree, Callum Chambers is a perfect example, straight in the squad now he's signed for Arsenal. Decent young player for sure, but would he have been called up if he was still at Southampton? I'm not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Don't really think Woy is the man to take (the next) "The New Golden Generation" forward its just like we see at club level a good manager has to inspire and motivate the team and endear themselves to the fans --- does Woy do this ? I think not or am I just not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I had hopes after the piss poor world cup we might see a change. Now I'm not so sure. Thing is, there's no one out there I see as a good candidate as a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Don't really think Woy is the man to take (the next) "The New Golden Generation" forward its just like we see at club level a good manager has to inspire and motivate the team and endear themselves to the fans --- does Woy do this ? I think not or am I just not seeing it.what new golden generation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 If the future is Delph and Colback then it is more depressing than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Don't really think Woy is the man to take (the next) "The New Golden Generation" forward its just like we see at club level a good manager has to inspire and motivate the team and endear themselves to the fans --- does Woy do this ? I think not or am I just not seeing it. There is no "golden generation", Just like the last lot, who were overrated bluffers. For instance look at Tottenham's starting XI today, 2 English players in it and they bought one of those from Portugal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 From this point on, England will find it increasingly difficult to qualify for tournaments, even Wales are now producing more world-class players than us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 There is no "golden generation", Just like the last lot, who were overrated bluffers. For instance look at Tottenham's starting XI today, 2 English players in it and they bought one of those from Portugal.... what new golden generation? Exactly ...just saying a term what the English media spins out when they want us to watch the next England game on TV or to get people into Wembley . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 From this point on, England will find it increasingly difficult to qualify for tournaments, even Wales are now producing more world-class players than us!to be fair they come through the English system though! Total network solutions or whatever they're are called haven't as far as I know produced any! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 If the future is Delph and Colback then it is more depressing than ever. and Danny Rose.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 To be fair the bridge is ridiculously expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1970 Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Woy only takes instructions from the FA. Only look at players from top clubs. Hang on a minute, are Swansea not in the top half. No Woy they don't qualify. The FA are the root cause why England are shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I was shocked to hear that Roy Hodgson has never been to the liberty stadium during his time as England manager. Surely Nathan Dyer should be ahead of Delph? Routledge and even Jonjo Shelvey should be looked at. Dyer and Delph play in different positions so don't know how you can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Delph is a very handy player IMO, Colback is poo though. As for Danny Rose, he's in there because Shaw and Gibbs are injured and there isn't really anyone else, certainly not with a left foot Does anyone really think that Dyer and Routledge offer anything at international level? I don't doubt there is some big club bias, especially where those teams are in the champions league, but there isn't one English player in the Swansea squad that I would pick for an England cap at the mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted August 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I didn't mean it in the literal sense. I meant as in ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Delphi is starting to live up to his potential and really stepped up last year but still a shocking squad and an established team like England should be hoping for better. As for Roy not going to the liberty, so what?! He presumably sees Swansea when they play away. Also, how many of their games are on a Saturday lunchtime competing with 6 others as opposed to the lone game on a Monday etc. Plus he'll have access to footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 To be fair the bridge is ridiculously expensive. Cheaper than going up to Gloucester and going down through the Dean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Delphi is starting to live up to his potential and really stepped up last year but still a shocking squad and an established team like England should be hoping for better. As for Roy not going to the liberty, so what?! He presumably sees Swansea when they play away. Also, how many of their games are on a Saturday lunchtime competing with 6 others as opposed to the lone game on a Monday etc. Plus he'll have access to footage. I think Woy mentioned something about 10 or 11 players he would have selected being unavailable so it's hardly surprising it's a poor looking squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Almost as shocking as no official from Bristol City FC visiting Swansea. Clearly, they are the role model we should be following but we seem to be ploughing are own furrow. Why we don't copy their approach is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 The only positive is Raheem Sterling the lad is absolute quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Litoris Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 The only positive is Raheem Sterling the lad is absolute quality. Got the potential to be the best player we've produced in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 I agree, Callum Chambers is a perfect example, straight in the squad now he's signed for Arsenal. Decent young player for sure, but would he have been called up if he was still at Southampton? I'm not convinced. Was goina post the same thing. That call up is a joke tbh. IMO it shows him as clueless, Chambers has had what? 30 appearances all together in the prem. No u21 caps neither. Also Welbeck. Why is he called up? He doesnt get into the Man U team, and has done nothing of note for a fair while now. Why not Wickham, Gayle or even Ings? Im sure they are just as capable as Welbeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Litoris Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Was goina post the same thing. That call up is a joke tbh. IMO it shows him as clueless, Chambers has had what? 30 appearances all together in the prem. No u21 caps neither. Also Welbeck. Why is he called up? He doesnt get into the Man U team, and has done nothing of note for a fair while now. Why not Wickham, Gayle or even Ings? Im sure they are just as capable as Welbeck. Welbeck is called up because he's got a very good record in an England shirt and is vital on the left of a front three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_bristol Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 There is one qualified coach for every 17 players in Spain. In England it's some one coach per 200+ players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 31, 2014 Report Share Posted August 31, 2014 Not sure if it definitely true (just because Garry Monk said so doesn't mean it is). What is the case is that shit players at "big" clubs such as Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Glen Johnson get picked for England whereas players at unfashionable ones such as Nathaniel Clyne at Soton, Jason Puncheon at Palace and at least a couple of Swansea players that you mentioned do not. Caulker suddenly got dropped when he was at Cardiff too and he's far better than the 2 Man U clowns. Couldnt agree more. The thing is though this has always been the case. Players like Crouch and Heskey....regulars when at Liverpool, never to be seen again when they went to clubs like Birmingham and Stoke. English football is an absolute tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 There is one qualified coach for every 17 players in Spain. In England it's some one coach per 200+ players. How many players in each country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 There is no "golden generation", Just like the last lot, who were overrated bluffers. For instance look at Tottenham's starting XI today, 2 English players in it and they bought one of those from Portugal.... And the other one is shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 I was shocked to hear that Roy Hodgson has never been to the liberty stadium during his time as England manager. Surely Nathan Dyer should be ahead of Delph? Routledge and even Jonjo Shelvey should be looked at. Nathan Dyer's a winger whilst Delph is centre mid. I'd agree that Dyer should be looked at instead of Townsend as he is playing and on form. Routledge also - hell of a goal on Saturday. I like Delph - he's similar in style to Wiltshire but has had to work hard to get a call up, whereas Wiltshire has been picked automatically since 18 years of age. In my memory, we've had our best England sides with players taken from lots of teams, not just a small number. There now seems to be the mentality amongst those in the squad that you have to be at one the 'big' clubs to be considered good enough for England. It's ridiculous. Moving onto a related issue, given the relative ease of qualifying for the Euros, I'd like to see the Under 21s given more, if not all, of the players who are eligible for their remaining qualifiers and the European under 21 tournament itself next summer. Germany and Spain did this with their great sides using the under 21s to gel their best players before moving them into the main side together. We've got it hopelessly wrong fast tracking kids to the full squad to sit on the bench watching games against Estonia and San Marino when they should be preparing for a tournament against the best of their age group in Europe. If we did this, we'd surely have an outstanding chance of actually winning the under 21 tournament - here's a list of players who are eligible for the tournament next summer:- Butland Chambers Shaw Dier Flanagan Stones Jones Wiltshire Ward-Prowse Barkley Sterling Redmond Ince Kane Ings Barahinho Wickham You could get an excellent side out of them with plenty on the bench. In reality about half of them will go. What a pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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