IdliketoRogerMoore Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Confirm Alex ferguson pulled him and others out off playing for England! Nothing that wasn't suspected but now how been confirmed! Not sure id let anyone stop me from playing for my country if I was good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 What about a bully with no interest in helping the English national team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Carrying a niggle at times? Mentally not in the right frame of mind?! Could have been reasons why, but was also strong in his ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Confirm Alex ferguson pulled him and others out off playing for England! Nothing that wasn't suspected but now how been confirmed!Not sure id let anyone stop me from playing for my country if I was good enough! Absolutely , if they get picked for England (and the manager didn't want them released) then you'd assume they would be an important part of the club team. In that position the player should demand to be allowed to go, hardly going to be sacked are they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I wish he'd have stopped Rooney playing. He certainly wouldn't have been missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I wonder whether whether that was one of the reasons why Beckham and SAF didnt see eye to eye as Beckham was an English hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Nicky Butt should never have been near the England team anyway. But I can't see Beckham ever allowing Ferguson to have pulled him out of an England game - he'd play with a broken leg. Take it you missed the 2002 World Cup? Butt was terrific, gave balance and cover and possibly made team of the tournament, although I could be wrong on that. Mind you Pele said he was brilliant so I could be imagining this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Butt was very underrated during his time at United. Tough when Keane and Scholes are ahead of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Alex Ferfuson has killed his credibility since resigning. He left United with a crap squad with possibly the worst midfield of his reign as he didn't spend to improve it (Sneijder). He slagged off the players who won him the medals in his book to get a few more quid which he didn't need, and he got his mate Moyes and handed him straight to the slaughter because of his negligence in the last 18 months of his reign - where he managed for short term success and with no eye on the future or succession planning, particular with the chief exec going as well. He's a megalomaniac of the highest order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Did all the dirty work for the likes of Scholes etc...very underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Alex Ferfuson has killed his credibility since resigning. He left United with a crap squad with possibly the worst midfield of his reign as he didn't spend to improve it (Sneijder). He slagged off the players who won him the medals in his book to get a few more quid which he didn't need, and he got his mate Moyes and handed him straight to the slaughter because of his negligence in the last 18 months of his reign - where he managed for short term success and with no eye on the future or succession planning, particular with the chief exec going as well. He's a megalomaniac of the highest order. Are we still talking about Gary Johnson???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Are we still talking about Gary Johnson???? I never was. AF was negligent, GJ was a victim of his own success - the club grew too fast under him and unrealistic expecatations followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I wish he'd have stopped Rooney playing. He certainly wouldn't have been missed. Well apart from the 41 England goals he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I never was. AF was negligent, GJ was a victim of his own success - the club grew too fast under him and unrealistic expecatations followed. I was joking mate. I was on about his personality, absolute tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well apart from the 41 England goals he has. Over how long? And how many has he scored in tournaments 1 or 2 is it? Highly overrated to my mind. Next you'll be telling me he's world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Well apart from the 41 England goals he has. Most against the rubbish of World Football. Fact is when it really matters he never shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Most against the rubbish of World Football. Fact is when it really matters he never shows. Not quite true. He was decent in Euro 2004 and the qualifiers for major tournaments (16 goals in 22). A lot are against poor sides but seeing as he is the one who actually scores the goals (I don't see many others doing it) and that we don't have many decent strikers, to say he wouldn't have been missed is rubbish. I wouldn't say he is world class - too many injuries I think saw that he would never quite reach the potential he had. Still I don't see any other chipping in with 41 goals for England any time soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Not quite true. He was decent in Euro 2004 and the qualifiers for major tournaments (16 goals in 22). A lot are against poor sides but seeing as he is the one who actually scores the goals (I don't see many others doing it) and that we don't have many decent strikers, to say he wouldn't have been missed is rubbish. I wouldn't say he is world class - too many injuries I think saw that he would never quite reach the potential he had. Still I don't see any other chipping in with 41 goals for England any time soon... Decent in 2004 - 10 years ago ! Nuff said. Tell me how do injuries stop you from being world class? Either you have the talent to be called world class; or you haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Over how long? And how many has he scored in tournaments 1 or 2 is it? Highly overrated to my mind. Next you'll be telling me he's world class. By one or two, you mean six. Plus most of the goals to get us to these tournaments in the first place. But nah, we wouldn't miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 He hadn't scored in a tournament until Brazil. I don't think he scored six do you? Oh sorry my mistake you are right 6 goals 4 of which were 10 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 He hadn't scored in a tournament until Brazil. I don't think he scored six do you? Sorry - didn't realise the Euros weren't tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Oh sorry my mistake you are right 6 goals 4 of which were 10 years ago! No wonder I forgot about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North London Red Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Most against the rubbish of World Football. Fact is when it really matters he never shows. He has scored against Brazil, Argentina, Holland, Uruguay, Croatia and Switzerland - all of whom have been ranked in the top 10 in recent times. Hardly 'the rubbish of world football'. And once again on this thread, his four goals in Euro 2004 don't seem to count for anything 'because it was ten years ago' - someone explain that logic to me? 33 goals in European club competitions (the majority being in the champions league, including one in a final against Barcelona - also conveniently ignored by the critics) isn't too shabby either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 He has scored against Brazil, Argentina, Holland, Uruguay, Croatia and Switzerland - all of whom have been ranked in the top 10 in recent times. Hardly 'the rubbish of world football'. And once again on this thread, his four goals in Euro 2004 don't seem to count for anything 'because it was ten years ago' - someone explain that logic to me? 33 goals in European club competitions (the majority being in the champions league, including one in a final against Barcelona - also conveniently ignored by the critics) isn't too shabby either. Indeed. And where are all these strikers that are better than him in England? Basically he is the best we have had over the past 10 years even if he isn't world class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Decent in 2004 - 10 years ago ! Nuff said. Tell me how do injuries stop you from being world class? Either you have the talent to be called world class; or you haven't. Quite easy. If you pick up injuries when young it can hamper your talent and growth. You can easily see what happened to Michael Owen in this respect. Had Rooney not had the injuries he had then I suspect he would have carried on his euro 2004 form for most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IdliketoRogerMoore Posted September 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Quite easy. If you pick up injuries when young it can hamper your talent and growth. You can easily see what happened to Michael Owen in this respect. Had Rooney not had the injuries he had then I suspect he would have carried on his euro 2004 form for most of his career.not true he has his best seasons were 2009 and 2011 where he scored 34 goals in All competitions which isn't to shabby! People's expectations of him are too high! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 not true he has his best seasons were 2009 and 2011 where he scored 34 goals in All competitions which isn't to shabby! People's expectations of him are too high! I'm not saying he hasn't had good seasons since - just that I think his injuries meant he never reached his full potential. I see his goal today means he has scored 175 PL goals. Pretty poor and we have lots of other English strikers who are better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 I'm not saying he hasn't had good seasons since - just that I think his injuries meant he never reached his full potential. I see his goal today means he has scored 175 PL goals. Pretty poor and we have lots of other English strikers who are better... Also scored just four goals less than Sturridge last season; looking at the difference in perception of the two you'd think it was forty less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Such a shite player he will probably finish his career as Manchester United and England's all time top scorer!! Must be awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrobbin Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Yeah not mention the utter contempt he showed the loyal England fans who spent their Hard earned to follow them around South Africa in 2010. To watch the dross they served up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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