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Depression is such an ugly beast.

 

To read the reasons behind his decision to walk in front of that vehicle - it makes no sense.  He's got everything to live for.

 

Its awful he doesn't see it the same way.

Depression doesn't make sense, you could have the money of bill gates the looks of ronaldo and a girlfriend that ****s like a porn star and still suffer badly,

 

anyone who suffers need to seek help, thats all that can be done,

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Depression doesn't make sense, you could have the money of bill gates the looks of ronaldo and a girlfriend that ****s like a porn star and still suffer badly,

 

anyone who suffers need to seek help, thats all that can be done,

Completely agree.

 

On a light-hearted personal note - two out of three ain't bad :)

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Depression is such an ugly beast.

 

To read the reasons behind his decision to walk in front of that vehicle - it makes no sense.  He's got everything to live for.

 

Its awful he doesn't see it the same way.

 

I think it maybe highlights the lack of support footballers get when they retire.  I remember thinking Scott Murray seemed to come across very depressed on twitter sometimes after he initially retired.  I'd imagine most footballers would have been involved in the game for 30ish years from schoolboy days. It probably was a complete way of life, almost institutionalised into them.

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Ralf Little has had quite a rant about him as well though.

 

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1skfskk

It feels completely inappropriate right now, but there are some important points in there.

 

If there is a sliding scale of responsibility for your actions due to a sliding scale of depression then we can't treat all cases of depression the same way.  Surely not all actions of the sufferer can always be attributed to their illness.

 

I do see his point.

 

Unfortunately there is often an unhelpful tendency for the media and general public to treat depression like a taboo.  You mustn't ever criticise the sufferer because you are blaming them for their actions over which they have no control  (..which is why if you were to criticise Clarke Carlisle on an open forum you will get dogs abuse).

 

The sliding scale from unhappy to manic/suicidal depressive says that can't always be the case.

 

Anyway, best of luck to Clarke Carlisle.

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I think it maybe highlights the lack of support footballers get when they retire.  I remember thinking Scott Murray seemed to come across very depressed on twitter sometimes after he initially retired.  I'd imagine most footballers would have been involved in the game for 30ish years from schoolboy days. It probably was a complete way of life, almost institutionalised into them.

Having recently read Keith Gillespie's autobiography that's not far off, he's on Prozac these days & as I imagine many other former sportsmen & women are....

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I think it maybe highlights the lack of support footballers get when they retire.  I remember thinking Scott Murray seemed to come across very depressed on twitter sometimes after he initially retired.  I'd imagine most footballers would have been involved in the game for 30ish years from schoolboy days. It probably was a complete way of life, almost institutionalised into them.

Not just footballers Tom, my brother was in the navy for 30 years and nearly drank himself to death when he returned to civvy street. He is OK now but he had 10-15 years of living in isolated communities that provided a lot of support for him. Any career where you are almost cossetted from everyday life and told what to do from dawn to dusk and sometimes beyond, is going to be greatly missed when you  are separated from it. Some people can handle it better than others, but if you have an issue already it can enhance the effects.

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I think it maybe highlights the lack of support footballers get when they retire.  I remember thinking Scott Murray seemed to come across very depressed on twitter sometimes after he initially retired.  I'd imagine most footballers would have been involved in the game for 30ish years from schoolboy days. It probably was a complete way of life, almost institutionalised into them.

Unless someone has an underlying health issue I wouldn't feel sorry for them.

 

I'm not sure the general public get much help and, for the most part, they crack on with life.  Football at the top is too easy and you have people who need to learn a few hard lessons about waking up and facing the real world.  Not convinced it requires the softly, softly approach.

 

Disabled people, unemployed people with young families, redundancy in your 50s.  Far more worthy of sympathy.

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Unless someone has an underlying health issue I wouldn't feel sorry for them.

 

I'm not sure the general public get much help and, for the most part, they crack on with life.  Football at the top is too easy and you have people who need to learn a few hard lessons about waking up and facing the real world.  Not convinced it requires the softly, softly approach.

 

Disabled people, unemployed people with young families, redundancy in your 50s.  Far more worthy of sympathy.

joe public do get help but the person in question needs to admit they have a problem and seek it,

its hard to spot, and even harder to talk openly about it,

 

Everyone who suffers with it can react differently,

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joe public do get help but the person in question needs to admit they have a problem and seek it,

its hard to spot, and even harder to talk openly about it,

 

Everyone who suffers with it can react differently,

That's my point.  Let them have the same help as everyone else.

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A very selfish way to attempt to take your own life, mental illness or not. 

 

Should not involve some random poor bloke behind the wheel. 

I suppose one of depression's unfortunate 'features' is utter selfishness. You often lose the capacity to care or worry for others in the normal way.

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A very selfish way to attempt to take your own life, mental illness or not.

Should not involve some random poor bloke behind the wheel.

Absolutely.

Cue the impending storm of people telling me 'it wasn't his choice'. Yes it was. The guy is clearly capable of rational and reasoned thought, he is an articulate and well educated person. Could have attempted to take his own life in many ways that wouldn't have scarred for life an innocent person.

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