richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I genuinely don't know this....what is the connection between football supporters and the Ulster Banner? Even on here there are several posters that use it as their main image and it puzzles me. Are there a lot of Bristol City fans with Northern Irish roots or is there some other reason for it? I have no scientific evidence of course, but it seems to me that people using the Ulster Banner tend towards the rowdier element of the support so is that something to do with it? If anyone could explain I would be most grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS15_RED Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's to show loyalty to Queen and country I do believe. If you've ever been to an England game? You'll of heard the chant of 'No Surrender To The IRA', I believe it comes from that. I remember going to Crewe away in 2007, there was a kid sat in the home end with an Irish Tricolour flag, and a load of City fans chanted it at him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's to show loyalty to Queen and country I do believe. If you've ever been to an England game? You'll of heard the chant of 'No Surrender To The IRA', I believe it comes from that. I remember going to Crewe away in 2007, there was a kid sat in the home end with an Irish Tricolour flag, and a load of City fans chanted it at him then. I'm well aware of the chant, just don't see the relevance of either it, or the flag, to Bristol City. It's crass relating it to England, let alone a team in a region with no connection whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 9, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Maybe the guy is from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Now who's looking for a bite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm well aware of the chant, just don't see the relevance of either it, or the flag, to Bristol City. It's crass relating it to England, let alone a team in a region with no connection whatsoever. The Ulster flag does not have any connection with or relevance to Bristol City FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I imagine it's a Protestant/ anti catholic thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I imagine it's a Protestant/ anti catholic thing Well does everyone agree that we do not need sectarianism at BCFC? It ranks alongside Racism and Sexism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Used to be a chap back in the day with a Belfast accent who turned up at City games in London in Monk / Vicar garb. Like a more exuberant Ian Paisley roaring "NONE SHALL PASS CITY, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!" That was style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's the reserve of those who still think there is a British Empire. Not sure if any of these people have noticed but Queen and Country came to an accommodation with the IRA years ago and they share political power in Northern Ireland within the United Kingdom. So we haven't surrendered or won, just compromised because all sides became fed up with the killing and those that organised this wanted to go legit. Most people in Belfast are now more scared of Russians than the IRA or the UVF and given they probably knew at least one person killed in the troubles probably think that some football fans from the south west singing about the IRA is just plain bizarre. All that's left now is a few days of rioting each summer about which way some people want to go on a march. And that doesn't happen if the weather's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a Celtic and Rangers thing which the logo started being used in football. Other teams have some form of friendship like say Rangers and Chelsea and the flag gets spread around the UK who Support both Rangers and Chelsea or let's also say some fans support Bristol city and Rangers, i have also seen a Bristol Rovers / Rangers flag with this type of logo on. Fans like to show some elegance to Queen or country and our forces in some form or another but mostly seen with the St.george cross around city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Firm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Now who's looking for a bite! I wasn't looking for a bite as such, I really was curious as to the connection. As it turns out, it seems there isn't one except it being a convoluted way of showing support for England. Surely a St. George Cross would be more suitable? Each to their own though, tis only a flag after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UREDS_91 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I wasn't looking for a bite as such, I really was curious as to the connection. As it turns out, it seems there isn't one except it being a convoluted way of showing support for England. Surely a St. George Cross would be more suitable? Each to their own though, tis only a flag after all. HOW DARE YOU, YOU SHALL BE BANNED BY BS FOR THIS ATTITUDE! FLAGS ARE THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF FOOTBALL DON'T YA KNOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 C'MON CELTIC!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Each to their own though, tis only a flag after all. You have obviously never been to Northern Ireland. The Ulster flag is a bit more than "only a flag" over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 You have obviously never been to Northern Ireland. The Ulster flag is a bit more than "only a flag" over there. I'm quite aware of that, but it's of no consequence at all around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballwinningcentrehalf Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I wasn't looking for a bite as such, I really was curious as to the connection. As it turns out, it seems there isn't one except it being a convoluted way of showing support for England. Surely a St. George Cross would be more suitable? Each to their own though, tis only a flag after all. The St. George Cross might well be more suitable, but it wouldn't provoke what many of the people that wave these types of flags want: a reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I wonder if there are plans to ban this type of logo at Ashton gate? if so then why ban something no other club has? (that i know of?). I have seen a few flags around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a Celtic and Rangers thing which the logo started being used in football. Other teams have some form of friendship like say Rangers and Chelsea and the flag gets spread around the UK who Support both Rangers and Chelsea or let's also say some fans support Bristol city and Rangers, i have also seen a Bristol Rovers / Rangers flag with this type of logo on. Fans like to show some elegance to Queen or country and our forces in some form or another but mostly seen with the St.george cross around city. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Firm I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I don't. And that is your choice in a so called free country, fair enough, but others choose to do so and why shouldn't they?.. Although i should post ''SOME FANS''.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I was always under the assumption that it was to do with Unionism involving Great Britain eg. Celtic and Rangers drawing split support from Ireland and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 And that is your choice in a so called free country, fair enough, but others choose to do so and why shouldn't they?.. Although i should post ''SOME FANS''.. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I genuinely don't know this....what is the connection between football supporters and the Ulster Banner? Even on here there are several posters that use it as their main image and it puzzles me. Are there a lot of Bristol City fans with Northern Irish roots or is there some other reason for it? I have no scientific evidence of course, but it seems to me that people using the Ulster Banner tend towards the rowdier element of the support so is that something to do with it? If anyone could explain I would be most grateful. Try Orange Order, to overcome against all the odds, it a symbolic thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I wonder if there are plans to ban this type of logo at Ashton gate? if so then why ban something no other club has? (that i know of?). A sad day indeed if they did ban it, bad enough the word Ultra being a no-no. It still seems like a strange choice to make when showing your support for England if you have no Northern Irish roots to back it up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Celtic have displayed some banners that have been close to the knuckle and in some eyes have crossed the line but they are allowed to do it Google celtic poppy day banners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 How about a swastika......................or maybe a hammer and sickle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I genuinely don't know this....what is the connection between football supporters and the Ulster Banner? Even on here there are several posters that use it as their main image and it puzzles me. Are there a lot of Bristol City fans with Northern Irish roots or is there some other reason for it? I have no scientific evidence of course, but it seems to me that people using the Ulster Banner tend towards the rowdier element of the support so is that something to do with it? If anyone could explain I would be most grateful. Err, my late father was born on the Shankill Road. He grew up there before moving to Bristol as a young man. I was therefore brought up a Royalist and a Loyalist; and it was instilled in me to love this country (United Kingdom), and to respect our armed forces. Many agree with this stance, many disagree, which is fine. What I find difficult to understand is why some forum members on here choose to name themselves after murdering communist despots like Kim il Sung, and more recently Chairman Mao !! I mean, really ?! Who next, Pol Pot ?? Finally "Rich", could you explain "wwtk" please ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Finally "Rich", could you explain "wwtk" please ? That's an easy one, it comes from the name of a band I used to help out with (called Walking With The King), I started using richwwtk as an account name then as I had just started using the internet and I've just taken it with me ever since as it's never already taken on any website I use, and if it is I know it's me and I already have an account there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 A sad day indeed if they did ban it, bad enough the word Ultra being a no-no. It still seems like a strange choice to make when showing your support for England if you have no Northern Irish roots to back it up though. The elephant in the room is - it's a bit of a right wing thing. Some people may not mean it that way, some may see it as only admirable nationalism, but you can see a parallel with NF & it's successors using (abusing) the St George cross. The underlying message is (in my opinion) that the people waving the red hand flag are generally pro English, anti Irish, pro Protestant, anti Catholic, and overall "little Englanders" who aren't keen on foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Try Orange Order, to overcome against all the odds, it a symbolic thing. Pretty much this. I need to out my cards on the table that I was brought up very much in a green rather than orange tradition, and am therefore not best placed to speak for them. However, its not so much as I understand it, having Ulster roots, but more of a sign of being patriotic, in support of the Union, and proud to be British. In short hand, a loyalist. Equally I have no issue with these flags at all, any more than I do seeing a Rovers flag at an England game. It just shows to me that from a very wide range of backgrounds we come together with common purpose. In other places, there is a much more secterian undercurrent to all of this, that has no place whatsoever at AG. I have never I must confess witnessed that at AG, and trying to link that evil to these flags would be akin to, well, something like linking the word Ultra to football violence. Quite wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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