Southport Red Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The thing that bugs me about all the media talk of our huge budget... Is not that it is inaccurate (only spent the Baldock money etc etc) Is not that it is lazy journalism and Is not that it demeans our accomplishment. No. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it is that the people saying it are the very SAME people that fawn over Man City and Chelski every chance they get. Man City and Chelsea are at the top end of the Premier League because they are great teams, we're at the top of ours because we are super-rich and are buying the title! Ultimately, it's the sheer, grinding hypocracy that gets my goat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What is our average salary compared to other clubs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The thing that bugs me about all the media talk of our huge budget... Is not that it is inaccurate (only spent the Baldock money etc etc) Is not that it is lazy journalism and Is not that it demeans our accomplishment. No. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it is that the people saying it are the very SAME people that fawn over Man City and Chelski every chance they get. Man City and Chelsea are at the top end of the Premier League because they are great teams, we're at the top of ours because we are super-rich and are buying the title! Ultimately, it's the sheer, grinding hypocracy that gets my goat. ...... and how many clubs have chucked money around, sometimes for years and always failed dismally. Florest are one that immediately springs to mind. I totally agree with you and the pundits are doing a massive disservice to the players, manager, coaches etc, by not giving THEM the credit for us being where we are now. Even if we had spent big, which we haven't, history has proved time and again that doesn't guarantee you success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 What is our average salary compared to other clubs? Surely that's not the question, it's what is our total wage bill compared to other clubs? Our strategy has worked, small better paid squad with emergency loanees when injuries occur - potentially high risk but massive reward if it works We've put the leg work in to meet these requirements and it looks like we are reaping the rewards now I hope to god I doesn't come out we have massively overspent when the figures come out - I do believe the club won't have got this wrong, they won't advertise they have taken a high risk strategy though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Surely that's not the question, it's what is our total wage bill compared to other clubs? Our strategy has worked, small better paid squad with emergency loanees when injuries occur - potentially high risk but massive reward if it works We've put the leg work in to meet these requirements and it looks like we are reaping the rewards now I hope to god I doesn't come out we have massively overspent when the figures come out - I do believe the club won't have got this wrong, they won't advertise they have taken a high risk strategy though Perhaps that is the question then but what is the answer? I'd say we were probably top three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton’s Love Gravy Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The thing that bugs me about all the media talk of our huge budget... Is not that it is inaccurate (only spent the Baldock money etc etc) Is not that it is lazy journalism and Is not that it demeans our accomplishment. No. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it is that the people saying it are the very SAME people that fawn over Man City and Chelski every chance they get. Man City and Chelsea are at the top end of the Premier League because they are great teams, we're at the top of ours because we are super-rich and are buying the title! Ultimately, it's the sheer, grinding hypocracy that gets my goat. You should take arms and kill them my friend. Admittedly against the law, but sometimes the passion of a few is stronger than the ignorance of many. (Or something. Probably.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If it was only about the money then Karl Robinson et al won't mind forfeiting the points in advance of the game by comparing wage bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 With such an abundance of "resources" why haven't City won anything for so long? Oh,,,,wait....we didn't have Steve Cotterill and Kieth Burt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 We do have one of the richest chairman in the whole of English football so I am afraid we are going to have to get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 we hav en't even got the biggest budget in league one I suspect theres a few clubs above us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 we hav en't even got the biggest budget in league one I suspect theres a few clubs above us Or one club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 we hav en't even got the biggest budget in league one I suspect theres a few clubs above us The only clubs that realistically may be above are Preston and Sheffield United based on club size and signings they've made. Even then, until you see accounts for each club it's difficult to say. With us having Bristol Sport, I'm sure some of the costs (pitch for example) have been absorbed into BS accounts. On the other hand, the general assumption is that Matt Smith was on a lot at Fulham, I even read 15k but can't verify. Chances are we'd have been paying a large percentage of that if not all. Tavernier and Saville will be on championship wages too. I'd be surprised if any other clubs in this league would pay their wages IF we're paying all/the majority. We do have a lot of money compared to most clubs here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 The only clubs that realistically may be above are Preston and Sheffield United based on club size and signings they've made. Even then, until you see accounts for each club it's difficult to say. With us having Bristol Sport, I'm sure some of the costs (pitch for example) have been absorbed into BS accounts. On the other hand, the general assumption is that Matt Smith was on a lot at Fulham, I even read 15k but can't verify. Chances are we'd have been paying a large percentage of that if not all. Tavernier and Saville will be on championship wages too. I'd be surprised if any other clubs in this league would pay their wages IF we're paying all/the majority. We do have a lot of money compared to most clubs here. Hooray, so sense being spoken. No idea why so many are so precious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyderiup Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Even if we have the biggest budget it isn't that easy to get it right. How long have Sheffield Utd been down here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Cotts has spent the money on quality rather than quantity. Therefore everyone assumes we have all the money in the world based on the players we sign, rather than looking at how small our squad is on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I would like to see some official stats before making any comments and the media should produce them or shut up. Simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 We do have one of the richest chairman in the whole of English football so I am afraid we are going to have to get used to it. But my point was about pundit's hypocracy . Our chairmanship wealth is irrelevant. Pundits don't say Man C or Chelsea ar buying the title do they? As far as taking the best players from other clubs is concerned, we used to have a word for that in the old days. It was called SCOUTING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I wave my huuge budget in their faces .Suck on ee losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry2157. Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Even if we do have the biggest budget and paying the highest wages, isn't is what you do with it that matters!!! We've the smallest squad but the closest in my opinion, our team spirit will have won us what we deserve this season... and I hope that will be a double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But my point was about pundit's hypocracy . Our chairmanship wealth is irrelevant. Pundits don't say Man C or Chelsea ar buying the title do they? As far as taking the best players from other clubs is concerned, we used to have a word for that in the old days. It was called SCOUTING I agree with what you are saying and it would be interesting to compare our wage budget with other League one clubs. Unfortunately, we will never get these figures though. Lansdown is actually incredibly stingy given his enormous wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Lansdown is actually incredibly sensible given his enormous wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 The sad truth is that its difficult to be sensible and successful in football these days. Only a handful of football clubs are self sustaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pickle Rick Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm pretty sure that when the agent fees are released, we'll be top of that and also higher than some Championship clubs. Last year we were second to Wolves. We do spend big. Bigger than some may want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 The sad truth is that its difficult to be sensible and successful in football these days. Only a handful of football clubs are self sustaining. Yep. You're right. I don't think anyone buys a football club with the intention of making money. I think we're just lucky we have a massive fan as the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfred Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If we do have the largest budget then frankly given the fact that we are twelve points clear we should be commended for making the most if that budget.....for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Don't give a stuff what any pundits think, yes we have a decent budget for this League, but key is how well it has been spent. And don't forget the huge contributions made by the players SC inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 We're Bristol City, we're top of the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 At least this season we know whatever has been spent has been well spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 regardless of hopw big or small the budget is we can only spend 60% of turnover on wages the same as 23 other clubs in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But my point was about pundit's hypocracy . Our chairmanship wealth is irrelevant. Pundits don't say Man C or Chelsea ar buying the title do they? As far as taking the best players from other clubs is concerned, we used to have a word for that in the old days. It was called SCOUTING No they just love bootlicking those particular clubs, if you're not CL or challenging at the top echelons of the PL you're not worth knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 When Steve flies to Guernsey he has to wear huuuuuuuge budget smugglers. Allegedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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View from the Dolman Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Not at all old chap, I did the math once. Given SL is worth approx $2 billion (was more than that 6 months ago) 50m is not that much money at all. On my earnings its the equivalent of chucking a few hundred quid at the club. If i was his age and had his money I would have spunked some serious cash on City by now (think 40k Collis Natch Stadium and Tevez and Van Persie on loan). Whether or not you think that is the answer is a different matter all together.But worth isn't cash in the bank. He could be worth half of that in no time if the markets crashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But my point was about pundit's hypocracy . Our chairmanship wealth is irrelevant. Pundits don't say Man C or Chelsea ar buying the title do they? As far as taking the best players from other clubs is concerned, we used to have a word for that in the old days. It was called SCOUTING Pundits might not.............. but I do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But worth isn't cash in the bank. He could be worth half of that in no time if the markets crashed. he made most of his money when the markets crashed tho' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 he made most of his money when the markets crashed tho' No he hasn't, Hargreves Landsdown's remarkable share price rise has come after the 2008-09 financial crisis and the subequent boom in financial markets that has fuelled ever increasing investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 But worth isn't cash in the bank. He could be worth half of that in no time if the markets crashed. That is true. I still believe he has more cash than the owners of Liverpool, Everton and many PL clubs though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I've read a few of these posts about our budget on here now and in my opinion, who cares?! Whether or not we have the biggest budget, whether or not we pay the most wages, whether or not we spend the most money on transfer fees, as some have said, it's what you go out and do on the pitch that matters. Like it or not football is more of a business these days than it used to be and I for one am glad that my beloved club has the finances and vision for the future that it has, let the moaners moan and the jealous be jealous. It could all be so much worse, we could be the blue few on the other side of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 12, 2015 Admin Share Posted March 12, 2015 I think Swindon were quite vocal about how satisfying it was to beat a club with our budget when they cheated their way to a 1-0 win earlier this season. They can't be that envious of our budget when the 1 player Cooper would sign from League One is our academy product & not a result of our huge budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Whatever our budget actually is, the promising thing is it's now being spent on young players with a lot of potential. We could have paid out for a squad of players with lots of experience at this level and above and that would have probably got us promoted quite easily. But that would be that. They might do OK at the level above for a bit but it would fall apart eventually (sound familiar?) The majority of the squad we have now is young players who can still get better. They've all improved dramatically over the course of the season both as individuals and as a team. There are players in the squad that genuinely look like they could be Premiership players one day (perhaps not with City). We can afford these players right now because they're young. If they take us with them we might be able to afford them when their in their prime, but they'll be out of reach of any league one club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STFCSN6 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd?I am not sure about the actual numbers,but we sold the leagues Top striker and recruited some quality players into a fairly small squad.Add to that a big improvement in some of the players that we already had.I don't really feel we have bought anything in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? We're operating within FFFP rules and because we get bigger crowds than you we've got more to spend. We've got an 18 man first team squad whereas Yeovil, for example, have 30 in their squad like most clubs I imagine. The fact we've spent our money wisely on quality over quantity and you get crowds of 6K so have about half our money to spend on a larger squad in comparison is your problem not ours. If turnover was everything then Sheffield United should be p1$$ing this league but they aren't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? Probably a bigger achievement if you get second, agreed, must be a big handicap having only 7 players standing up at any point during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I would of thought we are in the top 3 wages wise even if not actual players fees due to baldock. As said previously in this post the key thing about the players that we have bought are that they are young and can develop further .although down side about this is that other clubs will see the same potential and try and buy them . I'm particularly worried about losing Freeman. The clever thing we did was buy quality players from small teams so the fee wasn't huge but when we 're in the champ this will be harder they will no doubt expect more money. Which until the new stadium is done , will put strain on our budget .when you look at the figures our budget(a thread on here the other day) was 2nd smallest in the league . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Probably a bigger achievement if you get second, agreed, must be a big handicap having only 7 players standing up at any point during the game. And three of those seven are in mid air celebrating the latest sending off they've managed to con the ref into giving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? Will be a big achievement for you, of course, but it must irk you lot that a fair chunk the money you are actually getting in through the turnstiles etc is being spent on wages for players who don't even belong to your club...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? Be an even bigger achievement if you avoid going into administration in the coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Be an even bigger achievement if you avoid going into administration in the coming year. Don't they do that EVERY year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? I'm not one who thinks we've "bought the league". Steve Lansdown has been City's owner for a number of years and he's always been seriously rich throughout that time but until this season City have not done much regarding the league. A couple of promotions followed soon after by relegation in SLs time. What has made the difference imo is the appointment of Kieth Burt who is an experienced wheeler dealers in the football world. Until his appointment we had no-one with his knowledge,skills and experience at the club. The other difference is Steve Cotterill who unlike previous managers has, in conjunction with Kieth Burt been able to bring in good quality players and has managed them into an excellant squad. Money helps of course but it's definately not the sole reason that City are 13 points clear at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 haven't swindon had numerous transfer embargo's for breaching SCMP (FFP)? have we? no, we are working with in our means for the first time in god knows how long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 What has made the difference imo is the appointment of Kieth Burt who is an experienced wheeler dealers in the football world. Until his appointment we had no-one with his knowledge,skills and experience at the club. Quite telling that at the meeting on Monday Martin Griffiths said Burt had been "phenomenal" since he'd been here. He's in charge of recruitment and our recruitment has been near on perfect since he's been here, even under SOD. Maybe 2 or 3 duds and that's it - an incredible record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Quite telling that at the meeting on Monday Martin Griffiths said Burt had been "phenomenal" since he'd been here. He's in charge of recruitment and our recruitment has been near on perfect since he's been here, even under SOD. Maybe 2 or 3 duds and that's it - an incredible record. El Abd and Osborne are the only 2 duds and even then Osborne is there through no fault of his own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 El Abd and Osborne are the only 2 duds and even then Osborne is there through no fault of his own I wouldn't say Osborne was a dud - he's just been unlucky. Wynter you could maybe say was a dud. Then several loanees - Barnett, Shorey etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I certainly wouldnt call Osbourne a dud.More a victim of our success.I am confident he can do a job if called upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I am not sure about the actual numbers,but we sold the leagues Top striker and recruited some quality players into a fairly small squad.Add to that a big improvement in some of the players that we already had.I don't really feel we have bought anything in that respect. Isn't someone supposed to add the term 'whoosh' at this point? or something that sounds like that? One thing I cannot argue with the Swindle about is that for them to come second it would, indeed, rank amongst the highest achievements in their 100+ year history if not The highest; absolutely incredible achievement for a tiny tin pot club, with a rich vein of debt and history of malfeasance to come anywhere near top of a small lower league division. As for us.. winning the league, in comparison, and probably by a canter is of course a decent achievement but 4 or 5 places shy of being the most celebratory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? Shows the difference between a tinpot, no mark outfit like yourselves and us... keep clutching at straws. I take it you enjoyed the open top bus tour after winning the league back in November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Seems most of you accept that you've bought the league. Fair play for your honesty. Will probably be a bigger achievement by us if we finish 2nd? With your cheating on and off the pitch and abusing the loan loophole Imo it won't be an achievement at all. Lets hope Preston get over the line eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Is that a balance sheet in your pocket or are you pleased to see me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 No. The thing that REALLY bugs me about it is that the people saying it are the very SAME people that fawn over Man City and Chelski every chance they get. Man City and Chelsea are at the top end of the Premier League because they are great teams, we're at the top of ours because we are super-rich and are buying the title! Ultimately, it's the sheer, grinding hypocracy that gets my goat. How do you know they're the same people? Have you cross-referenced them or something? In general, player budget and league position are closely related. I read a stat once (would love to remember where) that said that taken over one season, there can always be anomalies, but if you look over 3 seasons, league position and player budget rankings are almost identical. Clearly promotion/relegation makes this more tricky (as I say, can't remember where the stat was from so can't go back and check it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNBT Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 El Abd and Osborne are the only 2 duds and even then Osborne is there through no fault of his own I wouldn't call Osborne a dud just unlucky to get injured pre season & lost his place then unable to get it back due to the team doing so well, El Abd yes but he might be a player better suited to playing the Championship I certainly hope so or at least if we get rid him we don't take to much of a loss. Like someone else said I'm worried about holding onto Freeman as his potential is there for everyone to see & hope that soon as we are definitely promoted we get him tied to a minimum of a 3 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 We have got a big budgie, I mean, budget, mind. https://thenatchwall.wordpress.com/It's all there in black & white. And colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 It is towards the higher end quite possibly but all the same players manager club as a whole have done brilliant it is quite rare to have a lead like this especially in such a competitive league as this, enjoy it and ignore the budget moaning naysayers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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