And Its Smith Posted May 15, 2015 Report Share Posted May 15, 2015 Some of you may know this is happening already but most probably do not. It is only small at the moment but there is every chance that this will become mainstream in a few years. A very succinct article and make sure you don't miss the link to the Tim Sparv part. http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015/05/15/soccer-analytics-brentford-midtjylland-matthew-benham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Well this clearly hasn't captured anyone's imagination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 What I don't understand is that the management team out performed his analysis of where they should be I.e. 11th so he sacked them? Even 11th would have been a good result. Next season if they are 20th and his model agrees with 20th will he keep them? I don't deny its clever stuff, but seems a strange way to run things, especially as there are so many variables out of his control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Wonder to what extent luck played its part in our season or any team that reaches the top? I wonder what his definition of luck is too and how this is measured? Maybe the manager brings the luck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Randomness was our top scorer wasn't he? Better than that lazy old JET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 He will no doubt be appointing SOD next season. A perfect fit for his philosophy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted May 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 What I don't understand is that the management team out performed his analysis of where they should be I.e. 11th so he sacked them? Even 11th would have been a good result. Next season if they are 20th and his model agrees with 20th will he keep them? I don't deny its clever stuff, but seems a strange way to run things, especially as there are so many variables out of his control No, he is saying that they deserve to be 11th. He is judging his teams where they deserve to be and not where they actually are. Taking luck out of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Wonder to what extent luck played its part in our season or any team that reaches the top? I wonder what his definition of luck is too and how this is measured? Maybe the manager brings the luck? I think the team made it's own luck, by the way they played for each other and never gave up, even when behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 No, he is saying that they deserve to be 11th. He is judging his teams where they deserve to be and not where they actually are. Taking luck out of the equation. Very difficult to do that. Is it luck that a player wins a 50/50 challenge? Or one player having more determination than another? Or simply the bounce of a leather ball on a rain sodden divot? If this chairman's methods bring results then he is elevated to godlike status by the club's fans. Myself, I believe that successful teams in every sport, in every walk of life, is mainly due to successful personnel management at all levels in the organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 You can't deny the results they've achieved... When you rely completely on figures, you can have no sentiment... I'll be watching with interest...thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 It is interesting and certainly worth keeping an eye on. I recommend any one who hasn't, to watch Moneyball. It's a true story and even if you don't like or know much about baseball it is still worth watching. Billy Beane who Brad Pitt played in the movie has been hired by a Dutch club to see if his Stats based philosophy for player recruitment can be adopted and implemented there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 No, he is saying that they deserve to be 11th. He is judging his teams where they deserve to be and not where they actually are. Taking luck out of the equation. But by the end of the season deserved to be 5th, so that suggests he made a mistake sacking the manager?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 He didn't sack the manager. Warburton didn't agree with his philosophies so the split was amicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted May 16, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 But by the end of the season deserved to be 5th, so that suggests he made a mistake sacking the manager?! No, Benham doesn't believe the League Table is the ultimate way of assessing each team, he trusts his model more (a model which made him rich enough to purchase 2 professional football clubs by the way & is taking his Danish club to their first ever national trophy using this model). His model believes that if luck had been equally applied to all teams in the Championship, his side would have finished lower & wants this model to influence transfer strategy. Warburton disagreed and so they parted ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 No, Benham doesn't believe the League Table is the ultimate way of assessing each team, he trusts his model more (a model which made him rich enough to purchase 2 professional football clubs by the way & is taking his Danish club to their first ever national trophy using this model). His model believes that if luck had been equally applied to all teams in the Championship, his side would have finished lower & wants this model to influence transfer strategy. Warburton disagreed and so they parted ways. Yes - I've read the article. The article states that by his model they actually deserved to finish 5th at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted May 16, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Yes - I've read the article. The article states that by his model they actually deserved to finish 5th at the end of the season. Ok I hadn't realised by the end of the season that had changed. Regardless, Benham (rightly or wrongly) sees Brentford as capable of playing in the Champions League within 5 years if they use his model & Warburton didn't want to, so in that regard he is right to split with the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 It is interesting and certainly worth keeping an eye on. I recommend any one who hasn't, to watch Moneyball. It's a true story and even if you don't like or know much about baseball it is still worth watching. Billy Beane who Brad Pitt played in the movie has been hired by a Dutch club to see if his Stats based philosophy for player recruitment can be adopted and implemented there. There is a football version too, "The numbers game" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton’s Love Gravy Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 The chap sounds mad to me. Lock him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I love this. Innovation is what makes sport great. I'd love to see his model applied to the season we fluked our way to fourth in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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