ChippenhamRed Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Not club Wembley then ...have a word with yourself I suspect corporate members invested primarily for the prospect of watching Champions League finals, not Bristol Rovers v Grimsby. Anyway, Club Wembley didn't even exist when the playoffs started. Yes, there will be some financial benefit to some people from the playoffs - but so what? They are still great for fans and it's not why they were introduced. Everyone wins. Why are you so keen to dismiss it as a money generating exercise without recognising the positives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Yes i expect the fans of Preston are over the moon the game kicks off at 5.30, that has been done for them according to your argument..? At no point have i said i don't like the play offs ,i just see the bigger picture ...obviously some don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Yes i expect the fans of Preston are over the moon the game kicks off at 5.30, that has been done for them according to your argument..? I would imagine that primarily they are delighted to be watching their team at Wembley with a chance of being promoted, having finished 4th. It's always a shame when there's a compromise for TV but if they win do you think they'll care? Anyway, 5:30 kick off, game over by 8pm latest, still plenty of time to get home via car or train. What's the issue? You're just picking holes for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 A shame for who......the fans maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 A shame for who......the fans maybe For someone who claims to see the bigger picture you are rather insistent on picking out fine details. Yes, not ideal for the fans but on balance i'm sure they'd still rather be there than not. Just because in 2015 a kick off time is moved for TV, it doesn't mean when the playoffs were created in 1987 it was for the primary purpose of money creation, which was your original point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 For someone who claims to see the bigger picture you are rather insistent on picking out fine details. Yes, not ideal for the fans but on balance i'm sure they'd still rather be there than not. Just because in 2015 a kick off time is moved for TV, it doesn't mean when the playoffs were created in 1987 it was for the primary purpose of money creation, which was your original point. So what happened at Wembley on Bank holiday weekend pror to 1987... & please may i apologise for having an opinion that differs from the sheep.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'd add a playoff to the Premier League. Get the top four to play for the title. This would be a terrible idea, things like this and what they have in rugby remove the credibility of the league. To suggest removing the playoffs (I.e. Original post) is madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 So what happened at Wembley on Bank holiday weekend pror to 1987... & please may i apologise for having an opinion that differs from the sheep.. I haven't asked you to apologise for your opinion, I'm just disagreeing with it. Perhaps consider that if others share the same opinion it doesn't necessarily make them "sheep" - but perhaps that they have come to the same conclusion for themselves? If Wembley was empty on bank holiday weekends before 1987, and thereafter full of two sets of fans enjoying a crucial match with the prize of promotion at the end of it, is that not a good thing, even if someone is making money from it? I still don't understand your determination to dismiss the whole thing as a money making exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 FWIW I wouldn't scrap the play offs, but am I the only one who thinks the OP was a liitle tounge in cheek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 FWIW I wouldn't scrap the play offs, but am I the only one who thinks the OP was a liitle tounge in cheek? At last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 FWIW I wouldn't scrap the play offs, but am I the only one who thinks the OP was a liitle tounge in cheek? Absolutely not but it was or is a good discussion so regardless i thank the OP for starting the topic . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Funny how the Championship play off is billed as " The Richest Game in Football " not the most glorious ,just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red mist Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 The big change I would make is the gate receipts are shared with the champions including TV monies. I think I am right in thinking those who get through the play offs earn more total "prize money" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 They keep the season alive for a lot longer than if you did not have them. Correct; if you are tenth in February you still have a chance of promotion. Thus interest and attendances are maintained. I'm enjoying the play off this season as they contain all the usual drama & excitement but City are already promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Funny how the Championship play off is billed as " The Richest Game in Football " not the most glorious ,just saying That is due to the money involved in the premier league - not the money that comes from that particular event. It also doesn't mean the play offs were created purely for money. Your statement doesn't back up the original claim at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 That is due to the money involved in the premier league - not the money that comes from that particular event. It also doesn't mean the play offs were created purely for money. Your statement doesn't back up the original claim at all. The first 3 or 4 play off finals were home & away affairs of the teams concerned and it worked fine , Why if not for money was it moved to Wembley..? Same for the FA cup semis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 The first 3 or 4 play off finals were home & away affairs of the teams concerned and it worked fine , Why if not for money was it moved to Wembley..? Same for the FA cup semis... NO. It wasn't due to money, but to violence/hooliganism. I can't recall the two teams involved, but there was a match where the Premier League team lost in the second leg and was relegated - all hell broke out and the powers that be decided to scrap the two-legged final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 NO. It wasn't due to money, but to violence/hooliganism. I can't recall the two teams involved, but there was a match where the Premier League team lost in the second leg and was relegated - all hell broke out and the powers that be decided to scrap the two-legged final. Just googled this & came up with nothing ,sure your correct though. The prem started in 92 and play offs were already at Wembley.i'll keep digging though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 NO. It wasn't due to money, but to violence/hooliganism. I can't recall the two teams involved, but there was a match where the Premier League team lost in the second leg and was relegated - all hell broke out and the powers that be decided to scrap the two-legged final. All i could find was Chels v Boro in 88 ,still had 2 legged finals in 89 though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton’s Love Gravy Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 if you scrapped the playoffs the gas would have gone up automatically and we wouldn't want that I think they should make it that the bottom-placed team of the four goes up instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well, the semi finals anyway. After Norwich's win today every final this season from Championship down to Bananarama is between the highest placed two sides, so no point in the other games, was there?The point of the play offs is through the months of February - March mid-table clubs still have a modicum of incentive. I'm very much for them and would extend them to be competed between relegation-promotion candidates from the differing positions. Mid table mediocracy is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I would consider tweaking them to offer more of an advantage to teams that finish 3rd & 4th. The IPL does this and I can see the logic. Rather than have 2 leg semi finals, do the following one off games. 1. 5th home to 6th. Loser eliminated. Winner through to next round. 2. 3rd home to 4th. Winner through to final. Loser gets 2nd chance in game 3. 3. Loser from 3rd v 4th home to winner from 5th v 6th. Winner to final, loser out. Sounds complex, but it gives a greater opportunity to the teams that do better in the league. Team that finishes 3rd would get a 2nd chance at home to qualify. Team that comes 6th has to win away twice to go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Worth pointing out that Michael Foot was a genuine football supporter who loved Plymouth Argyle, unlike a certain Mr Cameron who can't remember who he DOES support Rubbish! Of course he remembers. Cameron supports Aston Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 One of the pundits at the Rvs V Grimsby game, i can't remember who it was, but it wasn't Holloway, said that winning the playoffs was the best way to get promotion. WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton’s Love Gravy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I would consider tweaking them to offer more of an advantage to teams that finish 3rd & 4th. The IPL does this and I can see the logic. Rather than have 2 leg semi finals, do the following one off games. 1. 5th home to 6th. Loser eliminated. Winner through to next round. 2. 3rd home to 4th. Winner through to final. Loser gets 2nd chance in game 3. 3. Loser from 3rd v 4th home to winner from 5th v 6th. Winner to final, loser out. Sounds complex, but it gives a greater opportunity to the teams that do better in the league. Team that finishes 3rd would get a 2nd chance at home to qualify. Team that comes 6th has to win away twice to go through. A very good idea. I also think that the lower-placed team in each fixture should have one of their players surgically removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 All i could find was Chels v Boro in 88 ,still had 2 legged finals in 89 though Sorry, I should have explained that the game in question involved the (I believe) third bottom team in the Premier League playing (and losing) against the best placed team from the league below (not sure if it was called he Championship at the time) and getting relegated as a result. Anyway, the Premier League team lost the second leg and all hell broke loose so they decided that in future they would relegate automatically the three bottom teams and do away with the third bottom team having to play a playoff to avoid relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Speaking of P/Os .Poor sales reported at both Swindle and pne, barely 20k each so far ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 One of the pundits at the Rvs V Grimsby game, i can't remember who it was, but it wasn't Holloway, said that winning the playoffs was the best way to get promotion. WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT?Tbf, not that we know, but the relief of winning would be enormous. Gas heads yesterday were delighted through relief! Their season boiled down to a penalty shoot out, where as we cruised to a unanimous victory. Not only that, I think had Rovers lost, they would have bolted as a club. It was a big win for them, part of me says fair play. But only a very little part. No doubt their collective delusional psych will see them spouting utter bollocks, like usual. otib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 Speaking of P/Os .Poor sales reported at both Swindle and pne, barely 20k each so far ! 5.30 kick off...? or just piss poor support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 The point of the play offs is through the months of February - March mid-table clubs still have a modicum of incentive. I'm very much for them and would extend them to be competed between relegation-promotion candidates from the differing positions. Mid table mediocracy is meaningless. Do you mean like when we had Sheffield Utd who finished third bottom from the division above! If you do I can't agree with that, that would be giving a team who had a season of failure a reward of a second bite of the cherry, if you finish in the bottom three you don't deserve a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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