ciderbeans Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Doesn't help when you have Gareth Southgate managing the side..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 We never played to our strengths with the national side we had. It was criminal how a team that had Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Campbell, Terry, Neville, Rooney, Owen and Scholes never got close to winning a tournament. We play a fast attacking, energetic style in the Premier League, for the national side we play a slow build up passing game that we are no good at. Trouble is that tournaments are held in June and July in hot temperatures. Not conducive to high energy football. Hold tournaments in March or October and we'd do an awful lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Doesn't help when you have Gareth Southgate managing the side..... I have no faith in the entire England/FA set up when they can employ Sean O'Driscoll as under 19 manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 We never played to our strengths with the national side we had. It was criminal how a team that had Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Campbell, Terry, Neville, Rooney, Owen and Scholes never got close to winning a tournament. We play a fast attacking, energetic style in the Premier League, for the national side we play a slow build up passing game that we are no good at. Other than Scholes I don't see any player in that list who could hold his own against the best International sides ( just my opinion!) Re playing like a Premier league side. England would get ripped apart if they tried to play a high tempo game. We would have to have the ball to do this ( were not exactly good at keeping it for any length of time). The foreign players who play in the Prem have no trouble changing to a possession based game, do they! International football is all about keeping the ball and dominating possession. The fact that we are incapable of doing that, is the reason we struggle to compete against the top national sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Trouble is that tournaments are held in June and July in hot temperatures. Not conducive to high energy football. Hold tournaments in March or October and we'd do an awful lot better. South Africa's World Cup was in there winter....... How did we do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I have no faith in the entire England/FA set up when they can employ Sean O'Driscoll as under 19 manager. probably a good coach, just never let him near a microphone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Other than Scholes I don't see any player in that list who could hold his own against the best International sides ( just my opinion!) Re playing like a Premier league side. England would get ripped apart if they tried to play a high tempo game. We would have to have the ball to do this ( were not exactly good at keeping it for any length of time). The foreign players who play in the Prem have no trouble changing to a possession based game, do they!International football is all about keeping the ball and dominating possession. The fact that we are incapable of doing that, is the reason we struggle to compete against the top national sides. Which is why Carrick should always have been the first name on the team sheet. How he was overlooked by Hodgson for the last World Cup is one of life's great mysteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Trouble is that tournaments are held in June and July in hot temperatures. Not conducive to high energy football. Hold tournaments in March or October and we'd do an awful lot better. Strange how most other teams still manage to play with a lot more energy than us. Anyway I will start to watch the U21s when they decide to start picking the best available team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 This possession stuff is absolute bollox. Some of the best chances last night was route one football instead of sideways and backward passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Other than Scholes I don't see any player in that list who could hold his own against the best International sides ( just my opinion!) Re playing like a Premier league side. England would get ripped apart if they tried to play a high tempo game. We would have to have the ball to do this ( were not exactly good at keeping it for any length of time). The foreign players who play in the Prem have no trouble changing to a possession based game, do they!International football is all about keeping the ball and dominating possession. The fact that we are incapable of doing that, is the reason we struggle to compete against the top national sides. We did that last night, 59% possession in our favour. Worked a treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 We did that last night, 59% possession in our favour. Worked a treat Worked a treat here under SOD too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Shame Afobe didn't get a go, if he stays injury free he'll become a good striker I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Trouble is that tournaments are held in June and July in hot temperatures. Not conducive to high energy football. Hold tournaments in March or October and we'd do an awful lot better. Are you serious? There is no way it has anything to do with the weather. South Africa and Brazil was taken place in the winter. I was in Sao Paulo for the Uruguay game last year and it was overcast and quite chilly during the game. The evening games in South Africa would have been even cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Difference between England and the abroad is that when in possession they use the ball with a purpose to attack and score much like how the South Americans have always played. We are slow with the ball, passing back and forth with the occasional hoof - its how England have always played and havent been able to evolve unlike other European nations. Another poster was right, how the hell didnt we at least get to a Semi final with players like Beckham, Owen, Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Neville, Campbell, Rooney and Scholes. That is a conveyor belt of talent we could only dream of having right now, we were unlucky IMO not to at least get to a Semifinal with that group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 This possession stuff is absolute bollox. Some of the best chances last night was route one football instead of sideways and backward passing. Possession is not absolute bollocks. It is the English inability to play through teams that drop off / fill midfield with the possession they have that is an issue. The Italians lapped up the long ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 I have no faith in the entire England/FA set up when they can employ Sean O'Driscoll as under 19 manager. Hang on, isn't he someone who was hailed as some kind of God before he arrived here? Imagine what Forest fans would be saying if Cotterill went from them to the U-19 set-up... This possession stuff is absolute bollox. Some of the best chances last night was route one football instead of sideways and backward passing. Their first goal certainly was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Possession is not absolute bollocks. It is the English inability to play through teams that drop off / fill midfield with the possession they have that is an issue. The Italians lapped up the long ball. We had more than enough chances to win the game last night and we should have been in control of the game before we went to sleep and let in 2 really bad goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Just to lighten the mood...... Nine years ago today, England last won a tournament knockout game with a 1-0 victory against Ecuador in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Difference between England and the abroad is that when in possession they use the ball with a purpose to attack and score much like how the South Americans have always played. We are slow with the ball, passing back and forth with the occasional hoof - its how England have always played and havent been able to evolve unlike other European nations. Another poster was right, how the hell didnt we at least get to a Semi final with players like Beckham, Owen, Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Terry, Cole, Neville, Campbell, Rooney and Scholes. That is a conveyor belt of talent we could only dream of having right now, we were unlucky IMO not to at least get to a Semifinal with that group. Trouble with your thinking is that these players were real talents... They are not, they are good players at premier league level and with the British style of play... They really are not that talented at the world level. As long as people keep thinking British football is the dogs bullocks then people will always question how English teams managed to fail. The answer is easy the premiership is propped up by half decent foreigners that make our token English players look good. Put a load of English players together then you realise how bang average they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 We had more than enough chances to win the game last night and we should have been in control of the game before we went to sleep and let in 2 really bad goals. A case in point the Italians went through England twice. I thought all three goals were poor - Players unmarked, opposition carrying it forty plus metres unchallenged and a player being able to lob/volley the ball over his head at the near post! It was a competition to decide which was poorest, I would go with the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Doesn't help when you have Gareth Southgate managing the side..... People keep going about how Southgate isn't a big enough manager for this job. It's the EngU21 job, people talk about it in the same breath as prem/championship jobs, hell there are bigger gigs in league one and two ... It's not desired by any successful/ established managers. Take Lee Johnson for example, young promising English manager, but even he would never leave his club for that U21 gig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS30 Reds Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 People keep going about how Southgate isn't a big enough manager for this job. It's the EngU21 job, people talk about it in the same breath as prem/championship jobs, hell there are bigger gigs in league one and two ... It's not desired by any successful/ established managers. Take Lee Johnson for example, young promising English manager, but even he would never leave his club for that U21 gig I agree with what you are saying but for LJ would he earn more being paid by the FA or Barnsley? Not a dig a genuine question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Possession is not absolute bollocks. It is the English inability to play through teams that drop off / fill midfield with the possession they have that is an issue. The Italians lapped up the long ball. I think the point was two of the best chances in the game came from long diagonals, one from Jenkinson to Kane and the other for their opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Players don't care either, the likes of Sterling, Shaw and Barkley would rather be on the piss in Vegas or Ibiza. Shaw got a dream move to United then piled on the pounds and was unfit all season. Says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Players don't care either, the likes of Sterling, Shaw and Barkley would rather be on the piss in Vegas or Ibiza. Shaw got a dream move to United then piled on the pounds and was unfit all season. Says it all. Know them well, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The most important thing to England U21 players is 1) money, 2) some inane tart with big tits whose already shagged half of the full England squad and 3) and once 1 and 2 are firmly attained too 'many' couldn't give a flying **** and English clubs enable such behaviour from an early age and produce the likes of Wilshire and Sterling undoubtedly talented players with unprofessional attitudes, who produce in one game in 6 at international level. Most of the players in England's group have will have a far more professional outlook than England's pampered party boys pussies. To be fair it's the fault of the clubs not the players. Having watched Gazza on the Claire Balding show emotionally recently state that for him it's the actual playing that he misses, i'm not convinced that many so called rising stars view it the same way. Step forward the next big thing 19 year old Jack Grealish who has rarely been out of the headlines for his off field behaviour since before the season ended and who looks as though he is heading for a big fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Trouble with your thinking is that these players were real talents... They are not, they are good players at premier league level and with the British style of play... They really are not that talented at the world level. As long as people keep thinking British football is the dogs bullocks then people will always question how English teams managed to fail. The answer is easy the premiership is propped up by half decent foreigners that make our token English players look good. Put a load of English players together then you realise how bang average they really are. Hmm they were talents though, Gerrard single handedly won Liverpool a Champions League. Ashley Cole was regarded World wide as the best Left back in the World. Scholes rated massively by top top players like Zidane, Xavi and Iniesta. From 2004-2010 our English clubs dominated the European game with most of these players being the core of their sides, how you can say they werent real talents is strange, they just failed for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The most important thing to England U21 players is 1) money, 2) some inane tart with big tits whose already shagged half of the full England squad and 3) and once 1 and 2 are firmly attained too 'many' couldn't give a flying **** and English clubs enable such behaviour from an early age and produce the likes of Wilshire and Sterling undoubtedly talented players with unprofessional attitudes, who produce in one game in 6 at international level. Most of the players in England's group have will have a far more professional outlook than England's pampered party boys pussies. To be fair it's the fault of the clubs not the players. Having watched Gazza on the Claire Balding show emotionally recently state that for him it's the actual playing that he misses, i'm not convinced that many so called rising stars view it the same way. Step forward the next big thing 19 year old Jack Grealish who has rarely been out of the headlines for his off field behaviour since before the season ended and who looks as though he is heading for a big fall. Ah mate behave, these kiddies arn't doing anything less than the players in the 70s 80s or 90s were doing.. So what grealish has inhaled a balloon (perfectly legal mind) and been caught drunk a few times.. Its the off season FFS whats the kid suppose to do lock himself indoors over the summer..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Having watched Gazza on the Claire Balding show emotionally recently state that for him it's the actual playing that he misses, i'm not convinced that many so called rising stars view it the same way. Step forward the next big thing 19 year old Jack Grealish who has rarely been out of the headlines for his off field behaviour since before the season ended and who looks as though he is heading for a big fall. Hang on, you praise the same Gascoigne who was in the newspapers for incidents in nightclubs and the infamous dentist chair and then strike down Grealish? Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonboy Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 The most important thing to England U21 players is 1) money, 2) some inane tart with big tits whose already shagged half of the full England squad and 3) and once 1 and 2 are firmly attained too 'many' couldn't give a flying **** and English clubs enable such behaviour from an early age and produce the likes of Wilshire and Sterling undoubtedly talented players with unprofessional attitudes, who produce in one game in 6 at international level. Most of the players in England's group have will have a far more professional outlook than England's pampered party boys pussies. To be fair it's the fault of the clubs not the players. Having watched Gazza on the Claire Balding show emotionally recently state that for him it's the actual playing that he misses, i'm not convinced that many so called rising stars view it the same way. Step forward the next big thing 19 year old Jack Grealish who has rarely been out of the headlines for his off field behaviour since before the season ended and who looks as though he is heading for a big fall. Are you seriously using Gazza as an example to the young footballers of today! The guy pissed his career away. A total waste of a God given talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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