joe jordans teeth Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 And always have been,all fair in love and war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 That gets ur goat bill,you never answered my question tho what news do you watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 That gets ur goat bill,you never answered my question tho what news do you watch BBC, but most news I listen to is on BBC radio 5. You get the actual 'news' with no bias. Which it seems is what the Tories can't handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 Keep telling urself that bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Ur right about the seagulls,just watched some bird say they swooped down and took the top of the ice cream and a finger,who's finger she didn't know I wouldn't of thought ,typical Sky news showing the chavs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Well 3 out of the 4 Labour candidates must read the DM then RR, judging by their sudden epiphany re Mr Ed, pity that epiphany didn't occur when Labour still had a chance of winning, you know when they were all loudly agreeing with everything Ed proposed. Still it's looks like getting like groundhog day for Labour, left winger fails find more of a left winger. They are becoming the BRFC of UK politics. If they appoint the treacherous, communist Corbyn as leader, they will become the Stockport County of U.K. politics !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRUEBRIT66 Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Utter utter bollix. What "livestock"? Foxes may pose a problem for urban back-garden poultry keepers, but in terms of the modern agri-industry they have virtually zero impact. Domestic dogs are several thousand times the problem. And also you "I like watching wild animals pulled to bits" types are always trying to have it both ways: First there is the oft-repeated claim that "hardly any foxes are caught" - then there is the utterly contradictory claim that "it's the most effective form of 'pest' control". Then there's the usual, "if you oppose this it's because of class prejudice" which is coupled with the contradictory "all sorts of people enjoy hunting - it's not just a sport of the rich. Look at the background of most terrier men...". The fact is it is foxes themselves that eat the real vermin we want controlled - mice, rats, rabbits, weevils etc. Controlling them in a more friendly way to the environment than poisons that are the alternative. If hunting was genuinely about "pest control" then hunts would not be breeding fox cubs to release them into the wild. No, dress it up all you like. it's just about blood lust. You can get all the thrill of the chase and the enjoyment of riding across the English countryside in many different ways, but no, there has to be a terrified animal at the end of it for you guys. And before I'm accused of being some sort of City-bred softy bewitched by cuddly Disney foxes: I am a country person, who used to live on a farm, hold a shotgun licence and have been involved in genuine pest control. I know people who hunt, and they know my opinion of them. An opinion which I'm happy to say is shared by the vast majority of Britons. This is not the 18th Century: we no longer bait bulls or badgers, watch criminals being dissected or go to Bedlam to laugh at the mentally ill. Nor should we regard animal deaths as a fun day's "sport". Very emotive subject but I feel a few points need to be addressed in your post and some of the comments made by others. Firstly the "amendments" are instead of two hounds flushing "vermin controllers" can now use packs of hounds to flush to shoot (not to rip apart), Traditional (and in my opinion barbaric) hunting will remain illegal. Your comments that foxes do zero impact too live stock is incorrect and is estimated at 12 milllion pound per year. I would presume your comments were taken from the uk fox site and not from an independent source ? I would post picture of lambs "ripped to pieces" by foxes as they are being born and at their most vunerable but it is not nice veiwing. As a self confessed country man and pest controller I am surprised that you have not witnessed this and are aware that foxes will actually follow pregnant sheep and take the lambs as they are leaving the mother ! Im interested to know what your activity in "serious pest control" involved, did you shoot foxes with your shotgun as I presume to do that humanley you flushed the fox with dogs, or do you consider pest control disposing of anything that isnt percieved as fluffy ? Shooting is taking place and IMO is the only answer to control certainaly not poisons as previously mentioned, any one who has seen the damage myxi does to rabbits would understand that. Your comments that foxes control vermin is also incorrect, they like any other creature on this planet will always take the easiest option to feed. Why stalk a rat when a easy meal can be had in chicken coup or in the case of a rural fox a domestic cat or a half eaten take away. How many posters opposed to "the hunt" have ever been to one ? I have a friend who rides on the Berkley hunt she is a vegitarian and loves animals, she rides because of her love of horse riding and the tradition associated with it (family ties) she is againts the killing of any animals and has never witnessed anything torn apart and would not attend and Im sure report illegal activity if seen. Oh yes just because she dresses up in her families colours I am dissapointed that some one hopes she falls off her horse and breaks her neck. On a closing point there are bad in all walks of life but the facts are since the act there have been 150,000 hunting hours and only 22 convitions for ilegal activity despite LACS and the RSPCA obtaining millions of surveillance hours and spending riddiculous amounts of donated money on wasted prosecutions, to the point that the RSPCA have conceeded that they believe hunts in general do obey the law. And whilst were on the subject............................. www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Parents-tell-horror-fox-attacks-sleeping-baby.ht... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Ask Aunty Harriet she had an expensive education and urged her party to vote for parts of the Osbourne budgets, of course they won't because as we know labours flagship policy is as Bill keeps telling us 'we hate tories' and that works. That may be so, but it completely fails to answer the question I put to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 That may be so, but it completely fails to answer the question I put to you. Show me in 'this' thread where I called him Red Ed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Well 3 out of the 4 Labour candidates must read the DM then RR, judging by their sudden epiphany re Mr Ed, pity that epiphany didn't occur when Labour still had a chance of winning, you know when they were all loudly agreeing with everything Ed proposed. Still it's looks like getting like groundhog day for Labour, left winger fails find more of a left winger. They are becoming the BRFC of UK politics. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Calling Milliband a left winger makes Harold Wilson look like Leon Trotsky, and Harold Macmillan a dangerous leftie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 For the record, I really don't care about fox hunting. I'm against it, but it doesn't lose me any sleep. There are far more interesting and important issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Calling Milliband a left winger makes Harold Wilson look like Leon Trotsky, and Harold Macmillan a dangerous leftie. OK self proclaimed socialist Ed Miliband is a) left winger b) left leaning c) left sympathiser d) left back e) left half e) left side in a diamond formation f) left hand drive g) left the building?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 OK self proclaimed socialist Ed Miliband is a) left winger b) left leaning c) left sympathiser d) left back e) left half e) left side in a diamond formation f) left hand drive g) left the building?????? g) clearly. Calling oneself a socialist doesn't make one a socialist. Gus Caesar called himself a footballer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Show me in 'this' thread where I called him Red Ed? No, I was asking why you think he was a "left-wing" leader. As I pointed out, a number of policies enumerated by Miliband and labelled "anti-business" and "class war" madness in the Tory press, have subsequently featured in Osborne's latest budget, where they've been labelled as "genius" in the same papers. Obviously they believe that everyone has the attention span of a goldfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 No, I was asking why you think he was a "left-wing" leader. As I pointed out, a number of policies enumerated by Miliband and labelled "anti-business" and "class war" madness in the Tory press, have subsequently featured in Osborne's latest budget, where they've been labelled as "genius" in the same papers. Obviously they believe that everyone has the attention span of a goldfish. On point one I apologise, I should not have called him a leader. I don't write for the tory press and I don't think Osbourne is a genius, as for goldfish a better analogy might be the stringy long turds attached to their arses being akin to BS that emanates from politicians mouths, especially during general and leadership elections and their total inability to answer a yes/no question. There is a lot about politics that is a mystery, for instance after 18 years of Tory rule, you'd expect a labour government to repeal the anti union laws, that didn't happen, you'd expect the gap between rich and poor to narrow and that didn't happen, in fact as you and I probably agree new labour = old tory, Robbo stealing each others 'good' ideas isn't new and was quite funny from where I was sitting, seeing Harriet with the wind taken out of her sails cheered me up. Perhaps instead of voting against what is Ed's policies within this budget, because they hate tories don't you know?, they should be listening to Harriet who is talking sense for a change and claim a moral victory, but no back to normal, tory policy vote no, I believe that voters are fed up with that sort of party politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red Bill Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Getting back to the original topic........... I do not like the idea of defenceless animals being ripped apart in the name of "sport". Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as "the unspeakable chasing the uneatable". Sums it up. Whatever happened to civilisation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Ask yourself this then, would these 'rebels' have voted against these elements if Ed had won the election? and that is my point and almost certainly Harriet's, voting against the tories because they are tories is not a policy or a vote winner, but hey labour and the unions know best and labour will get the leader it deserves and enable the tories to probably win another election in 5 years time. As I said, it wouldn't have been the budget it was had Labour won the election. If you're saying "would tbey have voted against Ed Miliband had he hypothetically produced an identical budget?" then the answer in my opinion is yes. In fact had such regressive measures been presented - together with all the cuts in disability benefits, housing benefit and welfare to work programmes -then there would probably have been so much uproar in the party that Miliband would have to step down as party leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ask yourself this then, would these 'rebels' have voted against these elements if Ed had won the election? and that is my point and almost certainly Harriet's, voting against the tories because they are tories is not a policy or a vote winner, but hey labour and the unions know best and labour will get the leader it deserves and enable the tories to probably win another election in 5 years time. No they are voting against "a budget that hits poorer people disproportionately hard", and they are right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 No they are voting against "a budget that hits poorer people disproportionately hard", and they are right to do so. What a mess 48 vote against labour party whips, Burnham and Cooper and cave into Harriet but both abstain but both will tell the party to vote against it on it's 3rd reading if they are leader, the tories must be shitting themselves with that as a master plan, may I suggest it's the sort of behaviour that didn't help them in the last election. They should make a film of the labour leadership and call it 4 deadbeats and funeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Getting back to the original topic........... I do not like the idea of defenceless animals being ripped apart in the name of "sport". Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as "the unspeakable chasing the uneatable". Sums it up. Whatever happened to civilisation? Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilisation. "It would be a very good idea". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Gandhi was asked what he thought of Western civilisation. "It would be a very good idea". I thought Gandhi took to western civilisation really well with His racist views on life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I thought Gandhi took to western civilisation really well with His racist views on life Amplify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Gandhi was racist and Hitler was just misunderstood? I'm getting some crazy messages out of this forum recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 Amplify? He served as a medic in the war and made it known just how he felt about greeting blacks. Plenty of evidence out there about it. Bloke is held up with such great esteem, truth is the bloke had quite a dark past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 He served as a medic in the war and made it known just how he felt about greeting blacks. Plenty of evidence out there about it. Bloke is held up with such great esteem, truth is the bloke had quite a dark past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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