Over zealous policing

[RedLionLad]

Unless hes 12 then no. A 18 year old for instance knows right from wrong and chose to do wrong just for a fee seconds of fun. Question I have for him is was it really worth it?

I'm sure he was old enough to know right from wrong. Two minutes worth of fun in front of his mates and he misses half the game, gets arrested, charged and detained......and faces a lengthy ban from football matches.

[wisepranker]

i dont think it was an outrageous comment though. its a safety thing for me... i might take my kids to the lodekka for a pub lunch where they have a kids area but i wouldnt take them up the lions on a sat night. 

brum away...potential for trouble,known aggressise police force, cramped concourse, alcohol outlets in concourse, a bookies even and a heavy alcohol/testosterone environment...how is that appropriate? 

 

[wisepranker]

what an outrageous comment. A football game is open to all ages from 0-100. I applaud any child that attends as they are the next generation and its much better they are watching is than watching prem football on the TV. 

i was near some children today and some of the language around them was disgusting (not their parents) dont get me wrong my language can be fruitful but mind what I say when children are close by. Just wish others coukd do the same and make thes

sorry..i am new to posting ang keep messing it up with using quote by mistake. d'oh 

[wisepranker]

i dont think it was an outrageous comment though. its a safety thing for me... i might take my kids to the lodekka for a pub lunch where they have a kids area but i wouldnt take them up the lions on a sat night. 

brum away...potential for trouble,known aggressise police force, cramped concourse, alcohol outlets in concourse, a bookies even and a heavy alcohol/testosterone environment...how is that appropriate? 

i totally agree about the young being the future but for me i will take my 2 to home games in the family area. 

[InCider]

Sometimes it might be a good idea to not draw attention to yourself by singing in a pub on a away day, sort of asking for trouble, always best to keep your head down.

I assume you're not being serious ... or are you? 

[BCFC Jimmer]

I assume you're not being serious ... or are you? 

Sadly, I think he is.

If he meant don't sing in home only pubs I could begin to understand, otherwise it borders on a moronic thing to say.

Never had any major problems in my time watching City and having a good old sing song in pub.

 

[screech]

no way is a flare worth getting a ban for. nor is fighting or anything really. its just that alot of people are sensible ..good for them. lots of people arn't and thats ok for them...just sometimes on this forum alot of people forget what its like to be young and can come across as very damning. even saying there is no place for those kind of people at the club...when i would say there is room for everyone...its all getting abit middle class.

i would say its not very clever to take a toddler to an away game like yesterday...rightly or wrongly

I agree with a lot of that. You do need to be a bit more streetwise if you intend to take young kids along to certain away games unfortunately.

The young lads who go are just having a bit of fun with their mates, and like a lot of young lads they don't think of the consequences before they do these things, just like most kids don't.  They'll know next time you don't do it with the WMP though, It's an offence to be a football supporter with them.

They'll soon realise that something happens to these men and women when they are asked to police a football match in the WM, they leave their rational thought behind with the missus and turn into the most disgusting, provocative power crazed arseholes on the planet.  I won't go to another match in the WM just in case it's my turn to be picked out at random for the crime of walking to a match, talking above certain decibels, wacthing the game, cheering or taking in a pint before the game, all crimes in the WM for away fans.

Don't get me wrong, if they have turned up with flares or are fighting they deserve everything that comes their way, there is no excuse for that.

[ten minutes of rough]

I assume you're not being serious ... or are you? 

I assume you have a modicum of common sense?

[BCFC Jimmer]

I assume you have a modicum of common sense?

Errr he doesn't have common sense?  You have just said that people shouldn't sing in a pub.  You do realise the game was in Birmingham, and not Baghdad yeah?

 

[ten minutes of rough]

Errr he doesn't have common sense?  You have just said that people shouldn't sing in a pub.  You do realise the game was in Birmingham, and not Baghdad yeah?

 

Oh Dear it's contagious, when did I say people shouldn't sing in a pub?

All I am saying is unless that is unless you want to draw attention to yourselves, especially in a potentially volatile situation, like an away trip to St Andrews, who btw have a pretty much infamous 'crew' is it? The Zulu or something similar and pathetic as is the few City 'supporters', who only go to football matches to have an awkward moment in front of their equally awkward mates in an attempt to look hard, by berating the opposition  fans and even some time get so close as to aim a kick, make a 'come on' gesture and then to run away.

I am of the age when I have seen so much of this, it get's played out by kids that have yet to grow up, and by some adults yet to grow up, 

As I said unless you wish to draw attention to yourselves...just go watch a game of football, hope that's clear enough even for the kids and the immature 'adults' that grace here and AG.

[BCFC Jimmer]

Oh Dear it's contagious, when did I say people shouldn't sing in a pub?

All I am saying is unless that is unless you want to draw attention to yourselves, especially in a potentially volatile situation, like an away trip to St Andrews, who btw have a pretty much infamous 'crew' is it? The Zulu or something similar and pathetic as is the few City 'supporters', who only go to football matches to have an awkward moment in front of their equally awkward mates in an attempt to look hard, by berating the opposition  fans and even some time get so close as to aim a kick, make a 'come on' gesture and then to run away.

I am of the age when I have seen so much of this, it get's played out by kids that have yet to grow up, and by some adults yet to grow up, 

As I said unless you wish to draw attention to yourselves...just go watch a game of football, hope that's clear enough even for the kids and the immature 'adults' that grace here and AG.

But you have somewhat expanded on your original comment there. 

Of course - apply some common sense - Its usually quite obvious to detect whether singing or not is a good idea depending on the pub.  I don't think it should be discouraged or anything like you were making out though. Its just a bit of fun.

[Fordy62]

i dont think it was an outrageous comment though. its a safety thing for me... i might take my kids to the lodekka for a pub lunch where they have a kids area but i wouldnt take them up the lions on a sat night. 

brum away...potential for trouble,known aggressise police force, cramped concourse, alcohol outlets in concourse, a bookies even and a heavy alcohol/testosterone environment...how is that appropriate? 

i totally agree about the young being the future but for me i will take my 2 to home games in the family area. 

But it shouldn't have to be like that should it? No other sport seems to suffer the same problems.

Just sitting in the crowd on saturday and watching made me feel a little embarrassed, so many 'Stone island' crew seem to head to away matches more to engage in trouble than watching football.

Yes, all police forces have bell ends, I work with a few, but I suspect that if many of you on here took a second to look at the way you act when you head to these away games, you'd be less likely to want to use the 'woe is me' / big bad WMP attitude that i seem to be seeing on here so often.

I've been to many away games, and I've never had any trouble. So why does it keep happening to everyone else?

[ten minutes of rough]

After today's Specticle ....I think it's safe to say they're the worst force In the country...

Spectacle? But you knew that you might get some grief?

 

Surely if you want to watch a football match, go watch, why all this fannying around in pubs?

 

 

had had one of my friends sent back as he got off the train; had myself threatened by an officer and a duty manager in the pub saying if I kept singing between my friends and I then I'll be off the premises and not allowed to the game....

FCOL myself and two others were singing build me up buttercup ( personal joke)

then last but not least they plucked the escort out at random and nicked people who's done naff all wrong !! 

Sometimes it might be a good idea to not draw attention to yourself by singing in a pub on a away day, sort of asking for trouble, always best to keep your head down.

Some years ago my brother in law and I were banned from the Holly Bush  in Kingswood , at least I think that's the name of the pub, by the miserable barsteward that was the landlord....for laughing.

Go careful out there .

 

[Aizoon]

It simply wouldn't occur to me to go to an away game policed by the West.Midlands Police Farce. I like to enjoy my days out. 

[Up The City!]

But I went to a local pub kept myself to myself and had some friendly banter with the police and then sang for 90 minutes in the stadium. Had a very enjoyable day without drawing the attention of the police. So it is possible to enjoy the day without getting nicked. 

I think the WMP are heavy handed if you cross the line by even an inch. But stay behind that line and you will be fine.

[T R]

The only thing about the west midlands police, they're a damn scruffy lot. 

[Frenchay Red]

It simply wouldn't occur to me to go to an away game policed by the West.Midlands Police Farce. I like to enjoy my days out. 

People in our age group, with or without a hedgehog are not very likely to have any problems with the police!

I thought the WMP were just fine on Sat, and open to a bit of friendly banter. Such as inside the ground " can you arrest the ref please, he's making criminal desicions" and on leaving I suggested to one of the WMP that he ought be inside the ground as a team had just been robbed. Both my daft comments were met with a smile and a bit of banter back. I am well aware of the history of the WMP, especially at Walsal years ago, but I have seen a lot more heavy handed policing at Plymouth, Portsmouth and Southampton in more recent times.

[archie andrews]

But I went to a local pub kept myself to myself and had some friendly banter with the police and then sang for 90 minutes in the stadium. Had a very enjoyable day without drawing the attention of the police. So it is possible to enjoy the day without getting nicked. 

I think the WMP are heavy handed if you cross the line by even an inch. But stay behind that line and you will be fine.

try telling that to all the lot rounded up for no reason and sent back

[ten minutes of rough]

Singing in a pub is not a crime. I totally get the 'not drawing attention to yourself' argument, but that doesn't make it right.

 

WMP are easily the most obnoxious bunch of jobsworths in the country.

Careful, you will have DI Fordy 'avin a word m'lad.

[cider-manc]

Before the game I walked around the ground and found the lack of police something of a surprise... Then I got to the away supporters entrance and it turned out they were all there!

As I walked through the car park where the coaches parked- I overheard a conversation between several coppers who had just been informed that the last coach was arriving. It went something along the lines of...

"Last coach is coming in- It's the one thats been boozing"

"OK- get everyone over there"

Followed by every officer in the general area heading towards the entrance. It just felt a bit like they were looking for any excuse to turn people away... Of course they could have been up to more than just boozing.

 

 

[Carey 6]

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[Vincent Vega]

But it shouldn't have to be like that should it? No other sport seems to suffer the same problems.

Just sitting in the crowd on saturday and watching made me feel a little embarrassed, so many 'Stone island' crew seem to head to away matches more to engage in trouble than watching football.

Yes, all police forces have bell ends, I work with a few, but I suspect that if many of you on here took a second to look at the way you act when you head to these away games, you'd be less likely to want to use the 'woe is me' / big bad WMP attitude that i seem to be seeing on here so often.

I've been to many away games, and I've never had any trouble. So why does it keep happening to everyone else?

Exactly this, we were in Spoons at Temple Meads at 8.30 am ,in Brum for 11.30 encouraged to go to the Briar Rose by WMP which we did,£15 for a 6 pint round ( bargain) cab to the ground walked back to the pub after then back to New St....result aside it was a cracking day with good mates..........Enjoy it boys lifes too short.

[YorkshireSection]

No they didnt if were talking about the same incident.

I'd call 2-1 against us chasing them out a pub showed well up the their arses. They had the numbers and didn't expect to get run out of their pub, a door ways is 4 foot wide, just block it off, simple coming ou the pub was a masive mistake.

 

one copper said to me, that being a villa fan was a beautiful sight and a very rare occasion, God only knows if the two the two buses of us around the corner at the has been let loose!!!

i initially was refused entry as I was apparently a fixer on the phone organising fights, when the scum bag the phone and asked who I was speaking to, I think the piggy realised that speaking to my neurologist was not exactly crime.

Scum in uniform

[Ashtonboy]

I'd call 2-1 against us chasing them out a pub showed well up the their arses. They had the numbers and didn't expect to get run out of their pub, a door ways is 4 foot wide, just block it off, simple coming ou the pub was a masive mistake.

 

one copper said to me, that being a villa fan was a beautiful sight and a very rare occasion, God only knows if the two the two buses of us around the corner at the has been let loose!!!

i initially was refused entry as I was apparently a fixer on the phone organising fights, when the scum bag the phone and asked who I was speaking to, I think the piggy realised that speaking to my neurologist was not exactly crime.

Scum in uniform

Did you by any chance get a knock to the head on Saturday?

[One Team In Keynsham]

Sat in a pub in Cheltenham on the way home, we're with approx 30+ people women AND children. 

They were all turned away from the ground today, have seen pink slips from women and men  all told they were not allowed near the ground 

 

What is going on!? 

Very late to this party, but only today saw the thread.  Did any of the 30+ people advise what caused them to be turned away?  And were they a single group, or numerous smaller groups?  No reasons other than my idle curiosity.

[Nomad]

So, one copper, one piggy and 2 buses. No idea how they relate to each other mind.

[Ashtonboy]

So, one copper, one piggy and 2 buses. No idea how they relate to each other mind.

This is the new Guy Ritchie project starring -------- (suggestions?)

[phantom]

Very late to this party, but only today saw the thread.  Did any of the 30+ people advise what caused them to be turned away?  And were they a single group, or numerous smaller groups?  No reasons other than my idle curiosity.

Apologies, but this is being taken up by our Supporters Trust and the FSF, sure you'll understand why comments are kept off of here

[One Team In Keynsham]

Apologies, but this is being taken up by our Supporters Trust and the FSF, sure you'll understand why comments are kept off of here

No worries.