Alessandro Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I know Flint is very popular amongst the City fans, rightly so. Committed to the club, was a rock last season and chipped in with more than his share of goals. But much like when he first arrived here with a good reputation, and took some time to find his form, he just seems to have gone off the boil again. Looking back over many of the goals conceded this season, I think he has got away without much criticism so far. Positionally all over the shop at times, ball watching, flat footed, slow reactions. I'd argue three of Birmingham's goals he could/should have snuffed out the threat. Similar story for me in other games this season. Leeds second, Wednesday's first, etc I know he is not solely to blame, but that centre of the back three needs to be the linchpin, at the moment for me, taking off the rose tinted glasses, he is just not that.When Little is back, i'd move Moore across to the middle and have Ayling back on the right of the back three. I certainly hope we don't see Ayling in the right wing back position again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 no no no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He can only be the lynchpin in that formation, if the all round defending of the whole team is shocking then there is not a lot a defender in that position can do,but I agree he has looked a bit ropey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 He can only be the lynchpin in that formation, if the all round defending of the whole team is shocking then there is not a lot a defender in that position can do,but I agree he has looked a bit ropeyNo sentiment required, if he is not good enough sell him to Swindoom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Watching the extended highlights of Saturday's game our whole defence was all over the place. Players out of position, not watching/staying with runners, diving in/standing off giving room. Shambolic really. If we can get some discipline and shape with our back 5 (and Pack) we will see a complete transformation, I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Guess you missed our last game before Birmingham. Against Burnley he was magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 It's time for Cotts to make some hard decisions. As 10 minutes rightly pointed out there is no room for sentiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Guess you missed our last game before Birmingham. Against Burnley he was magnificent.100% agree. I thought he was MOM. Never gave Gray a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Guess you missed our last game before Birmingham. Against Burnley he was magnificent.Well, he was a bit flat footed on their first goal, and it was 100% his man who scored the second. Yes he had a good game, but you'd expect winning headers at corners to be his bread and butter. Those mistakes cost us goals and therefore the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 As a team of we continue to play with 3 at the back we will continue to ship goals - we have to go back to a back 4. It seems there was never a plan B as if there was we would never have sold Greg C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 As a team of we continue to play with 3 at the back we will continue to ship goals - we have to go back to a back 4. It seems there was never a plan B as if there was we would never have sold Greg C.Always a difficult one for a manager Rob. He obviously has belief in his system and has brought players in to specifically play in that system.However...it's a true test of character to admit if it's not working. Do you stick to your beliefs or see it early enough and try change?Plenty of managers have stood by their beliefs and got the big heave ho.It's just my opinion...but I think SC could be a pretty stubborn man and refuse to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 No, no, no, and not for sentimental reasons. If we need a goal in the last 10 mins & get a corner we need Flint on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I know Flint is very popular amongst the City fans, rightly so. Committed to the club, was a rock last season and chipped in with more than his share of goals. But much like when he first arrived here with a good reputation, and took some time to find his form, he just seems to have gone off the boil again. Looking back over many of the goals conceded this season, I think he has got away without much criticism so far. Positionally all over the shop at times, ball watching, flat footed, slow reactions. I'd argue three of Birmingham's goals he could/should have snuffed out the threat. Similar story for me in other games this season. Leeds second, Wednesday's first, etc I know he is not solely to blame, but that centre of the back three needs to be the linchpin, at the moment for me, taking off the rose tinted glasses, he is just not that.When Little is back, i'd move Moore across to the middle and have Ayling back on the right of the back three. I certainly hope we don't see Ayling in the right wing back position again. I agree no one should ever be considered "undroppable" but I don't think the answer to our defensive frailties is to drop our most consistent defender and replace him with a guy who has played one match for us - and doesn't seem to have imprssed many then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Always a difficult one for a manager Rob. He obviously has belief in his system and has brought players in to specifically play in that system.However...it's a true test of character to admit if it's not working. Do you stick to your beliefs or see it early enough and try change?Plenty of managers have stood by their beliefs and got the big heave ho.It's just my opinion...but I think SC could be a pretty stubborn man and refuse to change.I agree fully, he won't change but if he doesn't it could end up costing him his job, it's obvious to all were far to open at the moment, even the Birmingham manager alluded to it after the game sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Undroppable 'Wilbraham' the thread title should of been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I've seen nothing in Flint to think he's due particular criticism.Every game has either been with a new keeper or a new partner in defence. There has to be allowances for players gaining an extra bit of room or a lack of understanding between the centre backs. That's what made Ayling Flint and Williams strong: they understood each other and complimented each other, and also our keeper too. I've still little doubt that our strongest performances for now would be with last year's defence. In time that'll change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I can't remember which goal it was, possibly the fourth v Brum, he was dropping back like nobodies business and ended up by the 6 yard box when rest of team was by edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 individual threads on players being dropped. Not necessary or helpful. Win as a team lose as a team. Flint has played no worse or better than any other defender. I'm sure under SC no player is undropable. However in my opinion flint is part of the spine of the Team. Along with freeman, ayling and kodja first names on team sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 individual threads on players being dropped. Not necessary or helpful. Win as a team lose as a team. Flint has played no worse or better than any other defender. I'm sure under SC no player is undropable. However in my opinion flint is part of the spine of the Team. Along with freeman, ayling and kodja first names on team sheet Korey smith would be my 1st choice on the teamsheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 individual threads on players being dropped. Not necessary or helpful. Win as a team lose as a team. Flint has played no worse or better than any other defender. I'm sure under SC no player is undropable. However in my opinion flint is part of the spine of the Team. Along with freeman, ayling and kodja first names on team sheet.I think you're reply here with an automatic assumption of selection is partly what I'm talking about. I've not said he is better/worse than anyone else, just that, IMO he is looking pretty out of depth at the moment but seems exempt from criticism.TBH you may win and lose as a team, but looking at all the fine details, that means individual performances, small moments in games, gives you a greater chance of winning games. I'm talking about small moments that currently are losing us games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Was terrific against Boro and Burnely but seems to be out muscled during defensive corners recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Flints a 6ft5 unit. But to me seems like one of the nicest blokes on the pitch. He could and should be a very intimidating player for us but just doesn't seem that way inclined. Needs to get a nasty streak and then no one would want to play against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well, he was a bit flat footed on their first goal, and it was 100% his man who scored the second. Yes he had a good game, but you'd expect winning headers at corners to be his bread and butter. Those mistakes cost us goals and therefore the gameyou don't give any credit to the attacking team, somtimes our players will be beaten in the air by a combination of a good delivery, and/or good movement.I expect Flint to be winning a lot of headers from corners, but do I expect him to win them all, no. We we need to get used to the fact sometimes the opposition will just be better, it's not a slight on our team. Just a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 If a corner or free kick is played into an area he is not defending, how can he win the ball. If he is front post and ball goes back post how can he win it, or is marking someone else and corner goes elsewhere. If I was opposition I would play balls into the box away from him, which it seems teams are doing with better quality this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 15, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 you don't give any credit to the attacking team, somtimes our players will be beaten in the air by a combination of a good delivery, and/or good movement.I expect Flint to be winning a lot of headers from corners, but do I expect him to win them all, no. We we need to get used to the fact sometimes the opposition will just be better, it's not a slight on our team. Just a fact. Agreed & if on occasion you note a particularly well executed piece of skill & turn to your mate & verbalise this, you shouldn't be subjected to an attack from another of our supporters, eavesdropping, for being some sort of turncoat. It's perfectly possible to observe good play by an opponent and still want City to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 He or anyone else is not "undroppable" but very unlikely at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 you don't give any credit to the attacking team, somtimes our players will be beaten in the air by a combination of a good delivery, and/or good movement.I expect Flint to be winning a lot of headers from corners, but do I expect him to win them all, no. We we need to get used to the fact sometimes the opposition will just be better, it's not a slight on our team. Just a fact. well that's a nicely simplified opinion, one which many would agree with. And to a certain extent I agree with you. But admitting 'the opposition will just be better' will not keep us up this season or help us compete. At which point do you say enough is enough when these 'mistakes' are continually costing goals and therefore games. I'm really not trying to be negative or destructive, just voicing a thought about Flint. I hope, obviously, that the new defence will be that bit more solid tonight having got a game under their belts Saturday. Fully expect us to nick a win, by one goal, tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 well that's a nicely simplified opinion, one which many would agree with. And to a certain extent I agree with you. But admitting 'the opposition will just be better' will not keep us up this season or help us compete. At which point do you say enough is enough when these 'mistakes' are continually costing goals and therefore games. I'm really not trying to be negative or destructive, just voicing a thought about Flint. I hope, obviously, that the new defence will be that bit more solid tonight having got a game under their belts Saturday. Fully expect us to nick a win, by one goal, tonight.depends what you class as a mistake, being beaten in the air by a better player isn't a 'mistake' as such as what can you actually do to stop it? There are some really powerful players in this league that are also very strong in the air. Flint whilst good won't win everything.Not having a man on the post though is a bigger mistake (IMO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glastonred Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 After last season's Holy Trinity of Ayling, Flint & Williams being so solid, surely one of the main reasons we're leaking goals now is because Flint's now got two newbies beside him in Baker & Moore. It's going to take some time before the telepathy kicks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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