Badger10 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Never mind Pack, Wilbs was dreadful, cost us a goal where he couldn't even hold the ball up IMO Pack is a bit of a Marmite player, but certainly not one of our worst today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Never mind Pack, Wilbs was dreadful, cost us a goal where he couldn't even hold the ball up IMO Pack is a bit of a Marmite player, but certainly not one of our worst today he was ******* terrible though. Sideways passing all game then the pointless diagonal balls that get intercepted time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger10 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Yes it's all Pack Johnsons fault..........:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's pretty shit tbf to the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 I feel a bit bad for JK at times. He seems the one shining light and hope so far in this frustrating season up to now. It almost feels as if we are wasting him. This is my biggest fear. That we do enough to stay up but still lose players because we don't have the ambition. Surely signing a few higher paid players would have shown the squad our ambition. This is why the summer and early season is so frustrating. We are in danger of losing our best players because we didn't want to open up our wallets. I can't give you an example of one player but surely we could've picked up a center mid and striker with experience at this level on a free. They were out there. Didn't need 10 of them but we didn't get any. Now JK has no service. Think Bobby is a must because no one else is very forward thinking My biggest fear is that we don't stay up.Let's worry about players thinking they are too good for us if we do, as it is by no means certain we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Felt for Korey today, he was battling on his own and getting overrun.Got to agree, Pack was actually better than Freeman but neither were good enough today. Reid was better than both when he came on.My view is Pack is a squad player at this level, not a starter but that doesn't mean I'm picking on him, the jury is also out on others such as Ayling, Williams, Wilbraham and Little as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Didn't we say that 3 months...you know what ? I'm sure we did !!!Yep and it's showing more than ever currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmers Green Red Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Agree with this ... thought Korey was the best of a midfield which played poor today and we're outclassed by the quick touch and off the ball movement of Reading's equivalents. Still not panicking though ... yet! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 none of the midfield were good, the space they left in front of the backline was awful 5-3-2 seems to do that though, in reality its more like a 3-2-3-2 at times with the wing backs going stupidly high up the field to offer us width Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Korey Smith is a class act. He's played brilliantly when pushed forward previously and has an eye for goal but at the moment we need him in a more defensive midfield role. If we had the defensive midfield cover though I'd like to see him given a forward midfield role and I think he'd pick JK's runs more than anyone else is at present. We certainly miss the guile and vision of Wade Elliot or someone with similar attributes right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 It's not saying anything new to say that Pack lacks pace. However, what he does is take the pace out of the whole game. Fine at League 1, but today the game was dying for swift ball. Not all his fault - needs runners ahead - but he and the team need to adapt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 It's not saying anything new to say that Pack lacks pace. However, what he does is take the pace out of the whole game. Fine at League 1, but today the game was dying for swift ball. Not all his fault - needs runners ahead - but he and the team need to adapt.....I lost count of how many times Pack missed the chance to thread Kodjia in, so it was his fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyolly Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 He's pretty shit tbf to the lad. I think he's pretty much held his own at this level so far. Not great today but who was?Middlesbrough away I thought he was outstanding and he needs to deliver that week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 none of the midfield were good, the space they left in front of the backline was awful 5-3-2 seems to do that though, in reality its more like a 3-2-3-2 at times with the wing backs going stupidly high up the field to offer us widthWe play 352, there is a massive difference between 352 and 532. With 532 your wing backs are full backs and sit in. Ours are attacking therefore 352. Hence why we get broke all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Those people who are having a pop at Freeman should remember that he's had about 4 or 5 bad games in the whole time he's been with us. Cut him some slack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 He certainly has been targeted. Some of our support just don't like/'get' players like him. There were far worse players than Marlon today.he is definitely a marked man where I sit. Agreed there were worse players than Marlon today. Alying and freeman were truly awful today. Worst game I've seen them play. Unless the ball goes forward our supporters don't quite understand build up play. I thought we got over moaning about back passes or sideways passing, but today(not helped by scorelune) people were waiting to pounce. Very negative atmosphere in crowd today. I realise the team didn't help to improve this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider Queen Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pack: to me best of a very bad bunch (starters). Not one through ball to Kodjia even though he was making runs time and again.. Surely they must practice this?Freeman: Heavily marked but simply not good enough on yesterday's showing. Needs to play the ball early.. He's taking too long meaning by the time he plays the ball our players have all pushed up and are out of position. Smith: Poor game, tried to get things moving but was caught in possession or out of position too oftenReid: thought he was pick of the midfield.. Nice and mobile. Always looking to play early ball forward. Very good at dead ball.. He looks far likely of any of the to unlock defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red mist Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pack's not a bad player but unfortunately he's nowhere near the player Elliott was in terms of vision, movement and passing ability. Failing to properly replace Elliott has been our downfall this season.we also miss a captain on the pitch. Nolan may be a good shout at this time to help galvanise the team. He would also put some bite in the tackling dept., my biggest moan regards MP. Would give Freeman more of a chance to play further forward, where he would have more spaceA better balance all round. I can't see us replacing MP with Reid away, too lightweight will not win anything in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 All I would say is looking at some of the goals we concede Pack doesn't always cover himself in glory and yesterday his powder puff attempt at a tackle in the early build up to Readings first was a classic example IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 is it me or did it look like freeman had bulked up and lost some of his sharpness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I noticed on several occasions yesterday that rather than offer the back three some protection by picking up a marker when reading had the ball in our half, he looked to occupy space to block out the pass. Personally, I prefer to see our deeper sitting players getting tight onto their runners straight away, given our defensive fragility, rather than attempting to anticipate the pass. Ive never been his greatest admirer and I think he has to improve to justify his name on the team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatus59 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 All I would say is looking at some of the goals we concede Pack doesn't always cover himself in glory and yesterday his powder puff attempt at a tackle in the early build up to Readings first was a classic example IMO. Can you honestly say that he was any worse than the rest of the team ? As for the long diagonal passes , Flint does exactly the same , so I guess it must be what the manager instructs , I agree he was poor yesterday but so was the whole team . One goal was Franks fault , a real shocker , the first came from Wilbrahams inability to hold the ball up , so its so unfair to pick Pack out , the fact he made a lot of mistakes at least shows he was wanting the ball at all times and he never let his head drop . To see someone saying Cotts had a real go at him on the bench is wrong of the manager , perhaps he needs to look at the mistakes he has been making in team selections and formations , Im a big fan of the manager , but is he showing an arrogant side to him thinking he knows best . Its quite plain in this division that he doesn't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Can you honestly say that he was any worse than the rest of the team ? As for the long diagonal passes , Flint does exactly the same , so I guess it must be what the manager instructs , I agree he was poor yesterday but so was the whole team . One goal was Franks fault , a real shocker , the first came from Wilbrahams inability to hold the ball up , so its so unfair to pick Pack out , the fact he made a lot of mistakes at least shows he was wanting the ball at all times and he never let his head drop . To see someone saying Cotts had a real go at him on the bench is wrong of the manager , perhaps he needs to look at the mistakes he has been making in team selections and formations , Im a big fan of the manager , but is he showing an arrogant side to him thinking he knows best . Its quite plain in this division that he doesn't . I am talking solely about the 1st goal and nothing else, the problem is as pro managers say most people analyse the goal in isolation and pick up on a defensive mistake or goalkeeping error, sometimes a missed tackle, a sloppy pass or not picking up runners at the breakdown of your own attacking situation is the catalyst for conceding a goal and believe this is a case in point.I agree about Fielding and the 2nd goal, I believe he should have done better, but this is a thread about Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolBEAT Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pack was beyond dreadful yesterday.Offers zero protection for the defense. Offers zero creativity. Cross field balls, which 30% are accurate is NOT creativity. Fed up of people saying he is alright when all he does is play safe 10 yard passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I am talking solely about the 1st goal and nothing else, the problem is as pro managers say most people analyse the goal in isolation and pick up on a defensive mistake or goalkeeping error, sometimes a missed tackle, a sloppy pass or not picking up runners at the breakdown of your own attacking situation is the catalyst for conceding a goal and believe this is a case in point.I agree about Fielding and the 2nd goal, I believe he should have done better, but this is a thread about Pack. How was the second goal down to Fielding? He had no chance, the shot was so accurate it struck the inside of the post before going in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 How was the second goal down to Fielding? He had no chance, the shot was so accurate it struck the inside of the post before going inAgree, it was pretty much the perfect shot.He'll never hit another as sweetly as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Pack was beyond dreadful yesterday.Offers zero protection for the defense. Offers zero creativity. Cross field balls, which 30% are accurate is NOT creativity. Fed up of people saying he is alright when all he does is play safe 10 yard passes. fed up? Get over yourself, it's your opinion. Personally I see what Pack offers. I don't think he's a bad player and is the only player that offers a pass out for the defenders. Like Skuse, our fan base is incapable of realising how much a player like this brings to our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger10 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 fed up? Get over yourself, it's your opinion. Personally I see what Pack offers. I don't think he's a bad player and is the only player that offers a pass out for the defenders. Like Skuse, our fan base is incapable of realises how much a player like this brings to our team. Couldn't agree with you more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 The whole midfield were shite yesterday. They failed to protect the defense a few passes and we were split open time after time. They were also shocking supporting the strikers we looked clueless going forward and made hard work of attacking only getting our first shot on target well into the second half.My problem with Pack not just yesterday but every game so far this season is he slows down play so much. Every team we've played with a few quick passes split us open and counter us so easy. Yet when Packs on the ball it's painfully slow watching him move the ball and so easy to defend against. I honestly don't think he's cut out for the championship but hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 How was the second goal down to Fielding? He had no chance, the shot was so accurate it struck the inside of the post before going inDidn't say that, said I think he could have done better, he looks to me to be diving late for it, in fact the ball is past him before he gets to the position to save it, but perhaps for the benefit of the doubt he was unsighted and saw it late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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