handsofclay Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 As many have indicated, there are many parallels between this season and 1998-99. To name but a few, we finished bottom in that season, had spent the summer recruiting and trying to recruit strikers, and one of those strikers, Akinbiyi, was amongst the top scorers in the division despite our lowly position. Indeed, I recall Jeff Stelling saying when Akinbiyi scored at Brum in a 4-2 defeat, 'Where would Bristol City be without Akinbiyi's goals this season? .....Oh, bottom of course which is the position they currently occupy!'I could list other coincidences, but there is one potentially on the horizon which could be good and bad news for SC. If I recall correctly, City's first home televised match that season was v Bolton on a Friday night. Up to that point I think City under Ward had won just one match. The good news for SC was that City beat Bolton 2-1 and leapfrogged a few teams in the table. The bad news for SC was that Benny Lennartson was in the stands and within days was appointed the new Bristol City manager, Wards efforts in gaining a promotion for us counting for nothing.Could be interesting seeing who is in the crowd on our Friday night sky game v Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 John Ward was either a) too honest or b) too naieve because he told the board that he was n't capable and that he needed help.They listened to him and appointed Benny . Wardy wanted Mick Harford as his assistant and was n't happy.The rest is history. Once again a top board decision to shoot ourselves in the foot . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Could be interesting seeing who is in the crowd on our Friday night sky game v Forest.Quite right- it will give us all a break from watching the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I thought the televised match was away to Middlesbrough. Can anyone confirm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I thought the televised match was away to Middlesbrough. Can anyone confirm?Didn't we win that 0-1 ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 nope, 1-1 thunderbolt from Soren Andersen istr.Bolton post match interview with Ward was Weird iirc, despite the winThat televised game was Sunderland away. I remember they were all over us like a rash and we scored with just about our first chance of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 5, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 nope, 1-1 thunderbolt from Soren Andersen istr.Bolton post match interview with Ward was Weird iirc, despite the winBolton was the game on the Friday night which turned out to be wards last game, but we were also on TV at start of September awaaway to Sunderland, they battered us, phillips saved a penalty and Soren Anderson scored a late equaliser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Bolton was the game on the Friday night which turned out to be wards last game, but we were also on TV at start of September awaaway to Sunderland, they battered us, phillips saved a penalty and Soren Anderson scored a late equaliser And Hewlett handled the ball via his forearm after it had bounced up. It was as blatant as it gets but the ref didn't give it. That was a very lucky point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Bolton was the game on the Friday night which turned out to be wards last game, but we were also on TV at start of September awaaway to Sunderland, they battered us, phillips saved a penalty and Soren Anderson scored a late equaliser Keith Welch I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 That was crazy that season. Our teamKeith Welch I think. welch got man of the match, outstanding game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 You won't see many more one-sided games than us at Sunderland. Should have been about 7-0 to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Bolton was the game on the Friday night which turned out to be wards last game, but we were also on TV at start of September awaaway to Sunderland, they battered us, phillips saved a penalty and Soren Anderson scored a late equaliser Actually it was Keith Welch who saved the spot kick; http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=376&teamTabs=results (click on 'i' for match information'). Steve Phillips didn't make his debut until Saturday December 5, against Sheffield United. And that was only because new signing Bo Andersen, at the time labelled 'the new Peter Schmeichel', missed his debut, due a delayed flight from Denmark. I recall us taking the lead from a penalty awarded for handball, that was a mystery to everyone except the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I am more concerned by the parallels with 12/13, when performances quickly tailed off after those two terrific wins v Palace and Cardiff. We haven't had the wins this time, but the performances seem to deteriorating in the same way. The momentum from last year is gone and now it seems the confidence is draining away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 As many have indicated, there are many parallels between this season and 1998-99. To name but a few, we finished bottom in that season, had spent the summer recruiting and trying to recruit strikers, and one of those strikers, Akinbiyi, was amongst the top scorers in the division despite our lowly position. Indeed, I recall Jeff Stelling saying when Akinbiyi scored at Brum in a 4-2 defeat, 'Where would Bristol City be without Akinbiyi's goals this season? .....Oh, bottom of course which is the position they currently occupy!'I could list other coincidences, but there is one potentially on the horizon which could be good and bad news for SC. If I recall correctly, City's first home televised match that season was v Bolton on a Friday night. Up to that point I think City under Ward had won just one match. The good news for SC was that City beat Bolton 2-1 and leapfrogged a few teams in the table. The bad news for SC was that Benny Lennartson was in the stands and within days was appointed the new Bristol City manager, Wards efforts in gaining a promotion for us counting for nothing.Could be interesting seeing who is in the crowd on our Friday night sky game v Forest.City actually signed 3 strikers that summer Akinbiyi, Andersen and Thorpe, so that's not a parallel and City signed at least 4 other players making a grand total of at least 7, we are bottom (which is a parallel) but have yet to finish bottom for this season which again is not a parallel, Kodjia is a parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 City actually signed 3 strikers that summer Akinbiyi, Andersen and Thorpe, so that's not a parallel and City signed at least 4 other players making a grand total of at least 7, we are bottom (which is a parallel) but have yet to finish bottom for this season which again is not a parallel, Kodjia is a parallel. The strange thing is we actually have 5 strikers in our small squad. Three of whom were on the bench last Saturday; Agard, Burns and Robinson. Unfortunately the latter two are always played out of position, leading supporters to believe that one is a winger/wingback and the other a poor attacking midfield loan signing. Would any of those do a worse job than Wilbraham, right now? As for Agard, after scoring an excellent goal against Leeds, he's had hardly any game time - which is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 The strange thing is we actually have 5 strikers in our small squad. Three of whom were on the bench last Saturday; Agard, Burns and Robinson. Unfortunately the latter two are always played out of position, leading supporters to believe that one is a winger/wingback and the other a poor attacking midfield loan signing. Would any of those do a worse job than Wilbraham, right now? As for Agard, after scoring an excellent goal against Leeds, he's had hardly any game time - which is crazy.All very interesting and possibly true who knows? but nothing to do with my post, which is to de-bunked the parallels between this season and 1998/1999.As for Agard I find it quite ironic that a player that was almost universally declared as not good enough last season is now promoted to the peoples favourite.i'm as disappointed as anybody and I believe sooner or later the owner, the board, Keith Burt, SC will have to actually answer some very uncomfortable questions about what actually happened, who did what, who said what and why our summer recruitment turned into the farce that it did?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 All very interesting and possibly true who knows? but nothing to do with my post, which is to de-bunked the parallels between this season and 1998/1999.As for Agard I find it quite ironic that a player that was almost universally declared as not good enough last season is now promoted to the peoples favourite.i'm as disappointed as anybody and I believe sooner or later the owner, the board, Keith Burt, SC will have to actually answer some very uncomfortable questions about what actually happened, who did what, who said what and why our summer recruitment turned into the farce that it did?. Not so sure peoples opinion on Agard has changed, its due to wilbs form people want anyone but him to play! I'm sure board etc will answer those difficult questions but is now the right time to do that? I don't think so, cant see it being any help to the current situation we are in. We all know the summer was a disaster a review will be necessary but not now, maybe end of season? All efforts need to be put towards getting us up the league, dragging up the summer won't help . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 John Ward was either a) too honest or b) too naieve because he told the board that he was n't capable and that he needed help.They listened to him and appointed Benny . Wardy wanted Mick Harford as his assistant and was n't happy.The rest is history. Once again a top board decision to shoot ourselves in the foot .Ray Harford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Not so sure peoples opinion on Agard has changed, its due to wilbs form people want anyone but him to play! I'm sure board etc will answer those difficult questions but is now the right time to do that? I don't think so, cant see it being any help to the current situation we are in. We all know the summer was a disaster a review will be necessary but not now, maybe end of season? All efforts need to be put towards getting us up the league, dragging up the summer won't help . Again the irony is that is what people thought about Agard last season but hey ho.I never suggested now is the time for a post mortem, but a post mortem there most certainly must be and let's have some truth and holding up of hands where necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I did state in my OP that it was our first HOME tv game as knew about the Sunderland one early doors. But there are more parallels. Yes we signed 3 strikers in 98 but we attempted to sign three strikers in 2015, being successful with only one. The emphasis in 98 as with 15 was definitely on strikers and pretty well sod all on other positions. I would also say that in the early matches of 98 -99 we were the victims of clinical finishing, Sunderland excepted, which seen us punished whenever a mistake occurred and rarely obtain the points we deserved from a game.This season smells just like 98 to 99. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Again the irony is that is what people thought about Agard last season but hey ho.I never suggested now is the time for a post mortem, but a post mortem there most certainly must be and let's have some truth and holding up of hands where necessary.completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 nope, 1-1 thunderbolt from Soren Andersen istr.Bolton post match interview with Ward was Weird iirc, despite the winI got totally confused! I thought the poster was saying they thought our next televised game was against Boro away not Forest!!I'm getting a bit senile.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Perhaps the lesson from history is that sacking the manager that got you promoted (even in the face of difficulties) isn't necessarily a wise move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Ray Harford.Mick Harford, indeed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I am more concerned by the parallels with 12/13, when performances quickly tailed off after those two terrific wins v Palace and Cardiff. We haven't had the wins this time, but the performances seem to deteriorating in the same way. The momentum from last year is gone and now it seems the confidence is draining away with it.And how are we going to get the confidence back ?bringing in quality new signings ? We all know the board are beavering away . Not a word, not a single rumour even , of a potential new signing .Cards being played close to chests or has someone stolen the deck ?Are the directors sourcing new players or a new manager ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Mick Harford, indeed ! Although, why not?He certainly gave it his all when he was playing, and it was always my understanding that he did not want to be transferred; this was due simply to the well-documented financial problems at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 And how are we going to get the confidence back ?bringing in quality new signings ? We all know the board are beavering away . Not a word, not a single rumour even , of a potential new signing .Cards being played close to chests or has someone stolen the deck ?Are the directors sourcing new players or a new manager ?We can only make loan signings outside the transfer window and only have one of those left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 We can only make loan signings outside the transfer window and only have one of those left!I am pretty sure we can still make several loan signings, although we can only name 5 in the match day squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS13 Robin Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 The strange thing is we actually have 5 strikers in our small squad. Three of whom were on the bench last Saturday; Agard, Burns and Robinson. Unfortunately the latter two are always played out of position, leading supporters to believe that one is a winger/wingback and the other a poor attacking midfield loan signing. Would any of those do a worse job than Wilbraham, right now? As for Agard, after scoring an excellent goal against Leeds, he's had hardly any game time - which is crazy.I actually said when robinson came on that he should have replaced wilbs up front! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red mist Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 You won't see many more one-sided games than us at Sunderland. Should have been about 7-0 to them.I remember being at the game and the city fans singing we're only losing 1-0 as we were being battered. Had great time in the pub afterwards Sunderland fans were great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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