Nogbad the Bad Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Is Cotts. just keeping Fulham guessing? If Baker's rated 50/50 the day before the game surely he should be ruled out? We've got another tough game on Tuesday and if he's close to fitness now he should be 100% by then. With his depressing history of injuries he surely needs to be absolutely recovered before resuming. Hamstring injuries are particularly prone to be troublesome, and re occur, and even comparatively minor ones very rarely heal completely in a few days. Williams has improved since his self admitted poor early season form, and the inclusion of an in form Joe Bryan adds something extra to the team. Baker was playing very well before his injury and had made himself a first choice starter but he's not so indispensible we can't cope without him for one game. The last thing we should do is attempt to rush him back, or he may be out for a lot more than one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'm sure our professional physio team know what they're doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 "50/50" makes it sound like they're just guessing? Why can't they give us an accurate percentage like it shows on Football Manager? Amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I think it's more of the case of not letting Fulham know, rather than our own people not knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 TBH it makes no difference to me. Derrick Williams has been in fine form and Joe Bryan is due a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 24 minutes ago, Ray White said: TBH it makes no difference to me. Derrick Williams has been in fine form and Joe Bryan is due a good game. If our best defender is out it makes a difference to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Don't want to start a new topic so I'll post here. With Villa sacking Sherwood, any chance Baker could be recalled? Wouldn't like it all. As for Saturday, missing him would be a big miss against some very good attacking players. I hope he's fit but I don't want him rushed back either as he is injury prone and would rather him miss 1 or 2 compared to 6-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I think someone said we had paid a loan fee that stops him from being recalled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'd be very surprised if he was available for Tuesday's game, let alone tomorrow's. However there is no reason at all to let Fulham know that, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 30 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I'd be very surprised if he was available for Tuesday's game, let alone tomorrow's. However there is no reason at all to let Fulham know that, is there? Completely agree with the first sentence. However, I disagree with the second comment. I hate the way football clubs lie. It's not acceptable in any other walk of life but managers routinely tell lies to the media as a smoke screen. Call me old fashioned but I'd rather not see it (and frankly I doubt it is at all effective). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said: Don't want to start a new topic so I'll post here. With Villa sacking Sherwood, any chance Baker could be recalled? Wouldn't like it all. As for Saturday, missing him would be a big miss against some very good attacking players. I hope he's fit but I don't want him rushed back either as he is injury prone and would rather him miss 1 or 2 compared to 6-7. I don't think you can recall season long loans ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I'll be surprised if we see him this side of the international break. I also don't think Bryan will be his automatic replacement. He may keep Williams out wide and bring in Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 41 minutes ago, Tomarse said: I don't think you can recall season long loans ...? I've got no clue personally. Can't see the loaning team have so much power though. Maybe a few would incur to put them off doing so. Well, would hate to see him leave either way. Im in the same thinking as BigC. Can't see him being rushed back with all the cover we have in that back 3. Think he is out until after the break with his injury history playing a huge factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 10 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I've got no clue personally. Can't see the loaning team have so much power though. Maybe a few would incur to put them off doing so. Well, would hate to see him leave either way. Im in the same thinking as BigC. Can't see him being rushed back with all the cover we have in that back 3. Think he is out until after the break with his injury history playing a huge factor. Reading up any long term loan (93+ days) would have to stipulate if they want to recall. It's generally not done as most of the time it's a season long loan so they are committed to not having the player all season. would be interesting one for someone to ask Cotts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 Should imagine the player would want a say as well. If he wants to go back to try and impress a new manager it wouldn`t make sense to stop him and have a player who doesn`t really want to be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 16 hours ago, RedDave said: If our best defender is out it makes a difference to me What are you basing your assumption that Baker is our best defender on? On paper I would agree with you due to his premier league appearances/experience. For the record I think our best defender is Ayling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 1 minute ago, cynic said: We all see it differently. For me, Ayling is the weak link in our defence, his job is to bring the ball out which can mean problems if he loses it upfield which he was doing regularly early season. He nearly gave the game away against Cardiff very late on by letting his man in behind him (again), the guy should have scored the tap in but blazed it wide. No doubt in my mind that Baker is defensively streets ahead of Ayling, Williams, and Flint and will be a big miss if he's out for any length of time. The fact Ayling makes his runs out from defence makes him invaluable, how many of our chances come from him moving out and starting play. It's brilliant and a joy to watch, even if he loses the odd ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 40 minutes ago, Ray White said: What are you basing your assumption that Baker is our best defender on? On paper I would agree with you due to his premier league appearances/experience. For the record I think our best defender is Ayling. No assumption. I am basing it on having seen him play. Easily our best defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 1 minute ago, RedDave said: No assumption. I am basing it on having seen him play. Easily our best defender. Totally agree. His reading of the game is incredible, his timing and presence. He brings a lot of stability and confidence to our back line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 14 hours ago, Big C said: I'll be surprised if we see him this side of the international break. I also don't think Bryan will be his automatic replacement. He may keep Williams out wide and bring in Moore But then you'd have to have either Ayling or Moore on the left side of the three and a confused Joe Bryan sat on the bench wondering how he's gonna get back in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Just now, cynic said: He is exactly what we need and its no coincidence that our performances have looked much more solid at the back since he came in. He's a very big miss if he's out injured. Back to the lineup of early season... I prefer Williams at left wing back as he's more defensively sound than Bryan. I'd prefer Moore to come in for Baker, you have to remember he's was an England under 21's regular so hopefully will have the same effect as Baker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 50/50 ? ... not sure I agree, that seems a very high rating to me. He's very good but nobodies perfect - I'd prefer to rate him 8/10. (just get well soon, come back when you're properly fit and raring to go, don't be rushed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Baker is out best defender for sure. Ayling isn't the best defender but is just as important. I wouldn't be surprised if Moore came in today(if Baker is out) and Williams at LWB. Joe had a chance Monday and for me wasn't spectacular. Sure he hit the post and got in behind another time but those were the only highlights. He wasted many a cross and at times just stood still. Wasn't a bad game but enough to get him back in the side? I'm not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 We certainly missed him today that's a sure thing . We look far more solid with him in the team , I am sure we would of faired so much better today if he had been playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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