Rich Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Did I miss the discussion on here about our penalty shout when it was 2-0? I believe it was a stonewall penalty but the ref and lino were both slightly unsighted, that sums it up when it aint going for you. I hope we didn't get our ten years luck all in one season (last). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'm racking my brains trying to think when we had a penalty shout, what incident was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 3 minutes ago, Donkeeebles said: I'm racking my brains trying to think when we had a penalty shout, what incident was it? First half 2 down, I think it was a short cross from around the six yard line, Williams side, from the touchline, it hit the defender on his upper arm and ran down his arm while facing goal, he then cleared it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 It certainly looked like one. Perhaps it's best we save it for Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 28 minutes ago, Rich said: First half 2 down, I think it was a short cross from around the six yard line, Williams side, from the touchline, it hit the defender on his upper arm and ran down his arm while facing goal, he then cleared it. Not for the first time in recent years I find myself saying I can't remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray White Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 It was a blatant hand ball and we should've been awarded a penalty. I think it was kodjia who was attempting a cross. As mentioned above both the linesman and the referee were the wrong side to get a clear view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Looked a pen and he was pretty rubbish but can't blame him for the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 9 hours ago, Rich said: Did I miss the discussion on here about our penalty shout when it was 2-0? I believe it was a stonewall penalty but the ref and lino were both slightly unsighted, that sums it up when it aint going for you. I hope we didn't get our ten years luck all in one season (last). I don't think there is a discussion because it was so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 When we eventually get a penalty it will be interesting to see who takes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The ball was kicked at his arm at pace from close range. Nor in a million years was it deliberate and therefore not a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 28 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: When we eventually get a penalty it will be interesting to see who takes it. I did think that. Agard last season wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 7 minutes ago, Super said: I did think that. Agard last season wasn't it? Jet, obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Kodjia took them for Angers so him or Pack, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sheene Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 4 hours ago, Super said: Looked a pen and he was pretty rubbish but can't blame him for the result. Don't know if you noticed but he spent most of the game tucking his shirt into his shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Didn't look intentional to me, hit at him at pace and his arm didn't seem to be in an unnatural position (isn't that the term they use these days?!) Let's be honest, on Saturday's showing we'd have only missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 39 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said: Don't know if you noticed but he spent most of the game tucking his shirt into his shorts. Ha ha I did notice that. Why as well are the worst ref's the short ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Given what Nibor says I think the ref seems to have it right. What did frustrate me, though, was the referee's insistence that if someone falls over then a foul must have been committed. Just a case of who is to blame. It makes a nonsense of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 4 hours ago, Nibor said: The ball was kicked at his arm at pace from close range. Nor in a million years was it deliberate and therefore not a penalty. I've only seen it once but from memory it wasn't kicked at his arm (Kodjia tried to chip it over the player), it wasn't especially at pace (reasonable pace but not a "put your laces through it" pace) and it wasn't really at close range (e.g. it wasn't a metre away). However, I don't believe it was deliberate so the only contention was could the player have got his arm out of the way. Probably not so I do agree with your conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 6 hours ago, Nibor said: The ball was kicked at his arm at pace from close range. Nor in a million years was it deliberate and therefore not a penalty. Not what I saw. He moved his arm to push the ball away. Hand-to-ball rather than vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I had good view and it as a total stonewall penalty. And if konjia and flint had scored there good chances that makes it 3_2 and a different game. May the ref receive hell and fury for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Always Believesham Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Stonewall from where I was behind the goal - Kodjia tried to dink the ball across and it hit the defender's arm. Astonished that ref and linesman didn't see it - we'd have had a clear 'no penalty' signal if they had I disagree that if it is unintentional it isn't a penalty, that just means he shouldn't be booked, a defender doesn't always mean to trip an opponent but fouls are still given, where's the difference? You couldn't say it changed the game, if anything it should have spurred the team on! The freekick wasn't long after that at all, that seemed to demoralise the whole ground and was just confirmation that they were going home with 3 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 4 hours ago, solihull cider red said: I disagree that if it is unintentional it isn't a penalty The rules say otherwise. The offence is called "deliberate handball". I'd happily see the rules change to remove intent but as it stands it must be there. 4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Not what I saw. He moved his arm to push the ball away. Hand-to-ball rather than vice versa. I can't bring myself to watch the "highlights" but at the time my immediate reaction was no way, there didn't seem to be any intent at all to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 11 minutes ago, Nibor said: The rules say otherwise. The offence is called "deliberate handball". I'd happily see the rules change to remove intent but as it stands it must be there. I can't bring myself to watch the "highlights" but at the time my immediate reaction was no way, there didn't seem to be any intent at all to me. You are correct, which makes me wonder why in last season's Prem, the referees were told to give handball if the players hand was in an unnatural position...blatantly at odds with the laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 9 minutes ago, Davefevs said: You are correct, which makes me wonder why in last season's Prem, the referees were told to give handball if the players hand was in an unnatural position...blatantly at odds with the laws. The guidance given to referees is often at fault for inexplicable decisions. Let them do their jobs IMO. I think any player or manager whinging about refs should simply be told that they're allowed to complain when they make fewer mistakes in 90 minutes than the ref. It'd be very quiet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Is it deliberate handball when the player has his hands outstretched and it hits an arm,like John Terry does ? In my mind if it hits an arm that is not by the players side then it is deliberate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 53 minutes ago, Nibor said: The guidance given to referees is often at fault for inexplicable decisions. Let them do their jobs IMO. I think any player or manager whinging about refs should simply be told that they're allowed to complain when they make fewer mistakes in 90 minutes than the ref. It'd be very quiet... There's a thought! I've always said they're allowed to make mistakes, but why not allow them to explain themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I was pretty close and it wasn't hit that hard at him, just flicked up. Put it this way, if he had to get his hand out the way, he could have. Deffo pen! And would have been a bigger topic for discussion had we not shipped another 2 a few minutes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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