frenchred Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 Syria, yes or no? I say YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 No. There are better ways to go about it. Bombing them is the equivalent to chucking stones at a wasp's nest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 2, 2015 Report Share Posted December 2, 2015 15 minutes ago, Shtanley said: No. There are better ways to go about it. Bombing them is the equivalent to chucking stones at a wasp's nest How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 7 hours ago, Shtanley said: No. There are better ways to go about it. Bombing them is the equivalent to chucking stones at a wasp's nest I agree I believe this is a war that can't be won simply by bombing. It becomes even more about religion for those who wish to preach their hate. I struggle to understand why as a country we regularly allow individuals to stand on the streets and preach hate , why can't these people be removed? I understand human rights issues etc but I do believe a lot of our problems from radicalisation comes from these sources. I read on here yet other day somebody said, about what is this world become, we're now in the frying pan with the decision to bomb and unfortunately it is just a matter of time until another attack here in the UK. Failing that I don't know what the answer is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 8 hours ago, Shtanley said: No. There are better ways to go about it. Bombing them is the equivalent to chucking stones at a wasp's nest Terrorist sympathiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Nope. The threat of IS needs to be faced but they won't be beaten with bombs. You can't use a Brimstone precision missile on a poisonous ideology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Stupid action to bomb, it's the perfect recruiting tool for IS "Look at the UK, bombing Syria and killing innocents, come join us in our fight!". It'll only make things worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Another generation of MP's with blood on their hands. So that's another wave of mass migration and terrorism in 5-10 years. More fuel for right wingers like Big Brother and co. Hilary Benn's speech was effective, but comparing ISIS to the Nazi's was tenuous to say the least. Not to mention he must feel some sadness right now for going completely against what his late father stood for. How we could have done with Tony Benn in the house of commons last night. Sad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 The British Parliament AND the United Nations wrong? What bad people we are in the UK - lets all go and live in a 'nice' country. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Found this to be an interesting read... http://www.thenation.com/article/heres-what-a-man-who-studied-every-suicide-attack-in-the-world-says-about-isiss-motives/ Bomb them or not, I'm not totally convinced that either option is correct. Syria will be left in pieces once this is all done - perhaps rather conveniently for western powers to step in and get control of those oil fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Military force will be a necessary part of ridding the world of daesh. This is a premature "must do something" reaction. Until there's a plan taking us militarily and politically to a new government in Syria and a stronger government in Iraq there's no point in doing anything and plenty of risk. We're a long way from that. In the longer run I'd like to see the west leave the middle east alone. Get off the oil habit and stop selling all of them arms. No chance of that happening though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 What happens in 2 years time when Cameron realises he has been on the wrong side again? This belief that there are going to be moderates hanging around to move into Raqqa once IS move out is madness, there is a civil war going on and there are lots of sides that want to come out on top for there own reasons. It's a mess and we shouldn't be anywhere near it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 21 hours ago, frenchred said: Syria, yes or no? I say YES Yeah let's bomb innocent families....wooooo....a Syrian life is worthless anyway.....go on Cameron, kill some kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 The irony for me is in 2003 when the French president Jacques Chirac refused to join the coalition, he was vilified by much of the British public and virtually all of the press and even more so from the U S of A, where there were even threats of economic isolation and he stood firm and said "do your best". He was never an over popular president in France but viewed as better than what the socialists had to offer, but I hope history is at least kind enough to him to display that his wisdom over this matter is not a bad legacy to leave behind and to this day I have never seen much in the way from the UK press or the American press to even admit that he was correct and the coalition was inherently wrong. IMO Chirac was the last in the tradition of hard nosed French presidents, who took shit from no one, the French are different to us Brits, they actually love it when polls consistently put them at the top of the most disliked nation on earth, they look upon that as a badge of honour and were collectively pissed off when the Yanks overtook them. Hollande should have tightened the screw after Charlie Hebdo and never did and carried on with massive police cuts, that led to huge demonstrations and he had to then overturn them and even increase numbers of police, but he is being held by a majority responsible for the failures Paris 13/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 1 hour ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: The irony for me is in 2003 when the French president Jacques Chirac refused to join the coalition, he was vilified by much of the British public and virtually all of the press and even more so from the U S of A, where there were even threats of economic isolation and he stood firm and said "do your best". He was never an over popular president in France but viewed as better than what the socialists had to offer, but I hope history is at least kind enough to him to display that his wisdom over this matter is not a bad legacy to leave behind and to this day I have never seen much in the way from the UK press or the American press to even admit that he was correct and the coalition was inherently wrong. IMO Chirac was the last in the tradition of hard nosed French presidents, who took shit from no one, the French are different to us Brits, they actually love it when polls consistently put them at the top of the most disliked nation on earth, they look upon that as a badge of honour and were collectively pissed off when the Yanks overtook them. Hollande should have tightened the screw after Charlie Hebdo and never did and carried on with massive police cuts, that led to huge demonstrations and he had to then overturn them and even increase numbers of police, but he is being held by a majority responsible for the failures Paris 13/11. Bonsoir Es, Are you still here in France? I tried to give you a like, but I am not allowed to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 22 hours ago, Collis1 said: Another generation of MP's with blood on their hands. So that's another wave of mass migration and terrorism in 5-10 years. More fuel for right wingers like Big Brother and co. Hilary Benn's speech was effective, but comparing ISIS to the Nazi's was tenuous to say the least. Not to mention he must feel some sadness right now for going completely against what his late father stood for. How we could have done with Tony Benn in the house of commons last night. Sad times. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 On 12/3/2015, 10:29:33, Collis1 said: Another generation of MP's with blood on their hands. So that's another wave of mass migration and terrorism in 5-10 years. More fuel for right wingers like Big Brother and co. Hilary Benn's speech was effective, but comparing ISIS to the Nazi's was tenuous to say the least. Not to mention he must feel some sadness right now for going completely against what his late father stood for. How we could have done with Tony Benn in the house of commons last night. Sad times. Strange bedfellows, Tony Benn (allegedly) and Nigel Farage....and me and Jeremy too. Three of us also support Brexit, if Tony Benn's comments on sovereignty and the EU are to be taken at face value, (available on youtube). One of us, your esteemed leader, changed his mind on that issue I believe. Take a look at this if you can spare five minutes and tell me precisely what it is you disagree with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRhMkXeKJTE&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 I read this today, which sums up how I feel about the situation pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 3 hours ago, Dollymarie said: I read this today, which sums up how I feel about the situation pretty well. Hi Dolly, I wanted to give you a like, but our new system prevents me from doing so. So. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Hi Dolly, I wanted to give you a like, but our new system prevents me from doing so. So. The teachers, nurses, police officers and firemen I know all seem to be doing alright for themselves, they certainly are not struggling that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 20 minutes ago, Rob k said: The teachers, nurses, police officers and firemen I know all seem to be doing alright for themselves, they certainly are not struggling that's for sure. In what way are they doing alright for themselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 39 minutes ago, screech said: In what way are they doing alright for themselves? The same way the rest of us are doing alright for ourselves via our chosen paths. They got nice homes, cars, etc. Enough disposable income to enjoy life - not saying they are millionaires but certainly not worrying about paying the mortgage or taking the kids on holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 minute ago, Rob k said: The same way the rest of us are doing alright for ourselves via our chosen paths. They got nice homes, cars, etc. Enough disposable income to enjoy life - not saying they are millionaires but certainly not worrying about paying the mortgage or taking the kids on holiday! That's some generalisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 4 minutes ago, screech said: That's some generalisation. As clearly said - the ones I know, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, Rob k said: As clearly said - the ones I know, Aah yep, sorry missed that. Incidentally, I know of two single mums, one has 5 kids, the other is just about to have her third, both have never worked and both have exactly what I have. 3 bed semi, a car, the latest iphone and take the kids on holiday. So much for hard work pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 2 minutes ago, screech said: Aah yep, sorry missed that. Incidentally, I know of two single mums, one has 5 kids, the other is just about to have her third, both have never worked and both have exactly what I have. 3 bed semi, a car, the latest iphone and take the kids on holiday. So much for hard work pays. 100% with you on that! Phones, holidays, playstations etc should only come as a result of hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I'm not sure as to the original question as to bomb or no but what I don't understand is why it is broadcast to the world that we have had a vote & we have decided that we are on our way to bomb you!! We'll be there at 6am ready or not!! Assuming that ISIS (or whatever they are being called) really aren't that stupid, why give them any form of warning that we are on our way? They are going to get out of wherever they are just to protect themselves for a few days & to enable themselves to strike again!! They have never announced that they're about to strike so we suggest you get out of London, they have used the element of surprise to get the best affect they could!! But no, let's send them a written invite to the party!! We did it with Iraq & Afghanistan & it took us years to eventually get our main targets as will happen this time around!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 19 hours ago, Dollymarie said: I read this today, which sums up how I feel about the situation pretty well. Can you compare UK issues with a massive refugee crisis, a civil war, and ISIL. I agree to an extent that charity belongs at home, but how would YOU feel if these murdering nut-jobs came and took over your town? This is THE POINT. The UN have said this needs sorting 'by any means'. That does not mean turning our backs on these people. 'I'm allright, Jack' really is not a good attitude to take. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 On 3 December 2015 at 13:08:01, Gazred said: Found this to be an interesting read... http://www.thenation.com/article/heres-what-a-man-who-studied-every-suicide-attack-in-the-world-says-about-isiss-motives/ Bomb them or not, I'm not totally convinced that either option is correct. Syria will be left in pieces once this is all done - perhaps rather conveniently for western powers to step in and get control of those oil fields. I'm sure we are going to bother with that for control of a country that produces less oil than the UK does. Syria is 68th in the world in oil production, a nice wedge of cash for them I'm sure, but not worth the cost or effort for the US/UK to bother with. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howey_ducky Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 On 12/4/2015, 5:28:02, Dollymarie said: I read this today, which sums up how I feel about the situation pretty well. There's no point in fighting the lunatics if we're only fighting them to protect the weak and useless. Life isn't easy, it's not always fair. This country is worth fighting for, if you don't believe that then you have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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