Mad Cyril Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 This thread has really brought it home to me. This Steve Lansdown bloke - other than building his own financial services company from nothing to multi million pound blue chip status, investing millions in our loss making football club, and financing a new £45m stadium for us, what is there to suggest he is any good for our future? Is there a petition I can sign that politely asks him to take his money, his passion and his business acumen elsewhere. And who else is signing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I would be interested to see how BS pitch POTD prices next season with 27000 seats available. Both football and egg chasing 'walk up' prices are over £30 now for the Dolman which seems alot to me. Secondly, would anyone like to hazard a guess how the forthcoming corporate dollar will be split? I appreciate it will go into the BS 'pot' but would anyone have a clue how much the football club will benefit in terms of turnover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 41 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: This thread has really brought it home to me. This Steve Lansdown bloke - other than building his own financial services company from nothing to multi million pound blue chip status, investing millions in our loss making football club, and financing a new £45m stadium for us, what is there to suggest he is any good for our future? Is there a petition I can sign that politely asks him to take his money, his passion and his business acumen elsewhere. And who else is signing that? I was 100% supportive of Steve Lansdown before Bristol Sport; following Scott Davidson's great efforts he built upon them and invested serious money. He made one big mistake (Gary Johnson's 5 year contract) but that was readily forgiven. I was slightly uneasy with Bristol Sport as diluting the focus upon Bristol City (we've been relegated but the Basketball team have been promoted - yay!) but was open-minded until it started appointing to senior positions PR, communications, and media "experts"; those people with no practical use who suck funds from the company onto various nonsense, branding and "raising awareness" projects in addition to their own ludicrous salaries. That way lies heavily-spun failure and money pouring down the drain; with the only things standing to lose out big time being Bristol City FC and Steve Lansdown's bank account. I still support and welcome the leadership of Steve and Jon Lansdown; but I opine that Bristol Sport and all its non-job employees should be scrapped as of tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 8 hours ago, ciderup said: I would be interested to see how BS pitch POTD prices next season with 27000 seats available. Both football and egg chasing 'walk up' prices are over £30 now for the Dolman which seems alot to me. Secondly, would anyone like to hazard a guess how the forthcoming corporate dollar will be split? I appreciate it will go into the BS 'pot' but would anyone have a clue how much the football club will benefit in terms of turnover? What's the company structure? Presumably Bristol City Football Club is still it's own statutory entity in which case it'll need to account independently for it's own turnover, even if it's a wholly owned subsidiary of Bristol Sport and it's then reported up on consolidation. Not that that would answer the question of course as if it is a wholly owned sub then it's all Bristol Sport's anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 22 hours ago, WTFiGO!?! said: I think having all the overheads under one roof, so to speak, makes sense. I also don't think it's the case that he's taking from the Bristol City pot and giving to the Basketball pot, I imagine they're different pots. I also don't know the finances of the Rugby but would imagine that they're less damaging than City's and with a greater chance of breaking even/profiting. In sum, I speculate. This really is about one man trying to leave a legacy for sport in Bristol. I'm not keen on the whole thing either, I'm a football fan. 'Bristol Sport' = 'Cooperate W**k' but hey, what can you do? It's the age we're in. What I am keeping an eye on is the cost of match day tickets as frankly it'd have been more affordable for two people to go to West Brom v Tottenham than Bristol City v Blackburn Rovers on the weekend. Think the fact that SL now has the rugby,and to a lesser extent basketball also to consider surely focus must become blurred. I dont like it atall.... Has that corporate edge to it that is understandable from the cash generated but still leaves an uncomfortable feeling in the pit of the stomach.as you say-"what can you do"............prawn sandwich,anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 11 hours ago, ciderup said: I would be interested to see how BS pitch POTD prices next season with 27000 seats available. Both football and egg chasing 'walk up' prices are over £30 now for the Dolman which seems alot to me. Secondly, would anyone like to hazard a guess how the forthcoming corporate dollar will be split? I appreciate it will go into the BS 'pot' but would anyone have a clue how much the football club will benefit in terms of turnover? A lot less if SL gets what I truly believe he wants and that's a top tier sporting team. imho it seems a loy easier to achieve on a rugger pitch with less expectant fans than us football fans who at the moment will be happy with survival in the second tier. An astute business man would certainly gain popularity if he was to deliver top flight sport (albeit rugby) to Bristol as a whole, maybe, undoubtedly in my mind rugby is where the priority lists, from there on who knows................heaven forebid the missing link to Bristol Sport and success on the football pitch could be Bristol United FC........I feel a bit sick writing that, however stranger atrocities have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 34 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: A lot less if SL gets what I truly believe he wants and that's a top tier sporting team. imho it seems a loy easier to achieve on a rugger pitch with less expectant fans than us football fans who at the moment will be happy with survival in the second tier. An astute business man would certainly gain popularity if he was to deliver top flight sport (albeit rugby) to Bristol as a whole, maybe, undoubtedly in my mind rugby is where the priority lists, from there on who knows................heaven forebid the missing link to Bristol Sport and success on the football pitch could be Bristol United FC........I feel a bit sick writing that, however stranger atrocities have happened! Not while the Lansdowns are in charge - I can assure you of that. Notice how Bristol Academy has become Bristol City Ladies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: What's the company structure? Presumably Bristol City Football Club is still it's own statutory entity in which case it'll need to account independently for it's own turnover, even if it's a wholly owned subsidiary of Bristol Sport and it's then reported up on consolidation. Not that that would answer the question of course as if it is a wholly owned sub then it's all Bristol Sport's anyway. 55 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: A lot less if SL gets what I truly believe he wants and that's a top tier sporting team. imho it seems a loy easier to achieve on a rugger pitch with less expectant fans than us football fans who at the moment will be happy with survival in the second tier. An astute business man would certainly gain popularity if he was to deliver top flight sport (albeit rugby) to Bristol as a whole, maybe, undoubtedly in my mind rugby is where the priority lists, from there on who knows................heaven forebid the missing link to Bristol Sport and success on the football pitch could be Bristol United FC........I feel a bit sick writing that, however stranger atrocities have happened! Therein lies the dilemma chaps. We have no idea if all this fancy corporate stuff is going to make 1 iota of difference to the football club and it's turnover hence FFP figures? I would hope it does as we need to be able to compete at Championship level and I was kind of hoping the corporate £££ would help us do that. Don't get me wrong, it's not a criticism per-se but a slight concern. If we have all this non matchday stuff and still don't have the figures to compete, it doesn't bode well for the future of the football club as we have never had it before and it has been used as the 'go to' excuse for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 21 hours ago, Red Right Hand said: That`s as may be but just like every other fan who`s had the name of their ground `corporatized` it will still always be Ashton Gate to us. I disagree. Once the official website, local TV, Bristol Post, national TV and newspapers etc., as well as new fans, started referring to AG by the new name - and they would - Ashton Gate would very quickly be consigned to history. Thankfully I'm pretty sure Steve Lansdown has stated the name of the stadium will never be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 34 minutes ago, ciderup said: Therein lies the dilemma chaps. We have no idea if all this fancy corporate stuff is going to make 1 iota of difference to the football club and it's turnover hence FFP figures? I would hope it does as we need to be able to compete at Championship level and I was kind of hoping the corporate £££ would help us do that. I'm pretty sure it will. Where did the FC become the unloved sibling in all this? I'm not sure where there's any evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 10, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, Robin1988 said: I'm pretty sure it will. Where did the FC become the unloved sibling in all this? I'm not sure where there's any evidence of it. It's not but money that was solely passed to BCFC, is now divided around the whole of Bristol Sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Without membership Charlton tickets are £36 or £39 adult and £26 or £29 for a 12 to 19 year old. This is Dolman stand prices. You are looking at for a parent with 2 kids £88 to watch a game of footy, I know season tickets are best way to buy, but surely at these prices your keeping the floating fan away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Without affordable juvenile prices, and a welcome for youngsters without being accompanied by an adult, it's possible I'd never have started going at all. The juvenile queue for the East End in the 70's was massive, mostly comprised of groups of teenage friends, and price was never an issue. Why do City appear to be actively discouraging the next generation of supporters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 53 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Without membership Charlton tickets are £36 or £39 adult and £26 or £29 for a 12 to 19 year old. This is Dolman stand prices. You are looking at for a parent with 2 kids £88 to watch a game of footy, I know season tickets are best way to buy, but surely at these prices your keeping the floating fan away. With membership you're committing to spending around £210 for six games for one adult, that's before kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, phantom said: It's not but money that was solely passed to BCFC, is now divided around the whole of Bristol Sport? That's not necessarily true either; if Steve owned these businesses separately he'd have a specific total in mind for investment in each. Just because they're under one roof doesn't mean he's not putting in the same amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 9 minutes ago, WTFiGO!?! said: With membership you're committing to spending around £210 for six games for one adult, that's before kids. Very very true, it makes you think without a season ticket is it worth going at all. It has got to the point now where it's just not worth it anymore. i have a membership but live in Manchester so coincide home games if I can with visiting family, but with 2 kids and the other half I just can't justify forking out £100+ per game for tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Hopefully next season a lot more offers, quid a kid deals and the like with many more seats available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted December 10, 2015 Admin Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 hours ago, Robin1988 said: That's not necessarily true either; if Steve owned these businesses separately he'd have a specific total in mind for investment in each. Just because they're under one roof doesn't mean he's not putting in the same amount. Reading back my last post it didn't read as I meant it What I was trying to say, previously if SL had £100m to invest before that would have all gone to us If he has £100m to invest now, that get's split between us, Rugby, Basketball, Womens footy, Car racer etc.... The ONLY way it wouldn't affect us is that is if SL is increasing his input into those clubs But equally if he has £200m now to invest in all those listed above it's £100m we could have had Before Bristol Sport these other sports were not the financial responsibility of SL Hope that kind of makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, phantom said: Reading back my last post it didn't read as I meant it What I was trying to say, previously if SL had £100m to invest before that would have all gone to us If he has £100m to invest now, that get's split between us, Rugby, Basketball, Womens footy, Car racer etc.... The ONLY way it wouldn't affect us is that is if SL is increasing his input into those clubs But equally if he has £200m now to invest in all those listed above it's £100m we could have had Before Bristol Sport these other sports were not the financial responsibility of SL Hope that kind of makes sense If he had £100m to *invest* that would have probably went on his non-HL business interests. Think he's pretty much admitted he's unlikely to see a return on his money with City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 On 12/9/2015 at 16:04, Sir Colby-Tit said: I think it was hugely disrespectful to drop Wedlock's name from the new stand. No need for that at all. I could sort of understand if it had been named after a sponsor, but to change it to something as uninspiring and generic as the South Stand, bang out of order in my opinion. Agree. The Wedlock South Stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 8 hours ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Without membership Charlton tickets are £36 or £39 adult and £26 or £29 for a 12 to 19 year old. This is Dolman stand prices. You are looking at for a parent with 2 kids £88 to watch a game of footy, I know season tickets are best way to buy, but surely at these prices your keeping the floating fan away. One Boxing Day several years ago, I went to Eastville with my father to watch Rovers against Wolves - a cheap father and son afternoon (an enjoyable afternoon and Rovers lost 5-1, but that is not the point). Next season, with our new 27K capacity (and surely not ground full), will there be any temptation for a similar trip to introduce young potential fans or will they be scared off by the exorbitant prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 hours ago, phantom said: Reading back my last post it didn't read as I meant it What I was trying to say, previously if SL had £100m to invest before that would have all gone to us If he has £100m to invest now, that get's split between us, Rugby, Basketball, Womens footy, Car racer etc.... The ONLY way it wouldn't affect us is that is if SL is increasing his input into those clubs But equally if he has £200m now to invest in all those listed above it's £100m we could have had Before Bristol Sport these other sports were not the financial responsibility of SL Hope that kind of makes sense Itscares me that you and many others seem to have the same thoughts me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 13 hours ago, phantom said: Reading back my last post it didn't read as I meant it What I was trying to say, previously if SL had £100m to invest before that would have all gone to us If he has £100m to invest now, that get's split between us, Rugby, Basketball, Womens footy, Car racer etc.... The ONLY way it wouldn't affect us is that is if SL is increasing his input into those clubs But equally if he has £200m now to invest in all those listed above it's £100m we could have had Before Bristol Sport these other sports were not the financial responsibility of SL Hope that kind of makes sense Yeah that's true, but we're being a bit greedy if we're complaining about that. He could have ploughed a billion pounds into us if he wanted, but he didn't. He's always had other interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Regards the splitting of corporate revenue I would guess (hope?) it would be split according to the % of non corp revenue created by each sporting venture or something like. City would surely generate the most non corporate revenue so by that formula or similar would benefit...which also figures as this level of football has by far the highest running costs of the four sports. Could be well out but it would seem to me to be a fairly sensible formula? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 On 09/12/2015 at 11:11, Ivorguy said: What has always worried me is that Ashton Gate, the ground, is a different company from Bristol City FC We could find ourselves if SL pulls plug with a club and no ground - please no ground share with Bath or you know who Don't worry Ivor..Mr Ashton will mop your fevered brow and whisper soothing words.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 urgh, Lansdown, what an arse, £100m of his own money pumped into the club, brand new stadium, massively increased potential if we want to be tin pot city with a shitty run down stadium, two pennies to rub together and a massive chip on your shoulder over that fact we shudda couldda wouldda be in the Prem then bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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