redfieldred Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Having looked at incident with Ayling and Welles using pause etc, Ayling pulls Welles back outside the area. Welles is aware of the contact and waits until he enters the area to go down. There is no further fouling contact in the area, although ayling has his arm in contact with him in isolation this is no way a foul. Should have been a free kick in the D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjia 22 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Frankie saves and Flinty clears rebound, sounds like justice to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just a point about encroachment at penalties, no one seems to bother anymore - looking at the video Flint was a couple of yards inside when the ball was kicked certainly gave him a head start to get to the rebound first .Not complaining in the slightest but why have a law if it is never applied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Maybe not but we are doing things inside the box that give members of the Championship Diving Club the opportunity to get those sort of decisions. And we are not clever enough yet to get those decisions at the other end of the pitch. Kodjia and Freeman go down too theatrically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 11 minutes ago, Abraham Romanovich said: Just a point about encroachment at penalties, no one seems to bother anymore - looking at the video Flint was a couple of yards inside when the ball was kicked certainly gave him a head start to get to the rebound first .Not complaining in the slightest but why have a law if it is never applied Their players were in the box as well, mind . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 47 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Having looked at incident with Ayling and Welles using pause etc, Ayling pulls Welles back outside the area. Welles is aware of the contact and waits until he enters the area to go down. There is no further fouling contact in the area, although ayling has his arm in contact with him in isolation this is no way a foul. Should have been a free kick in the D When I first saw it , I thought that it was started outside the box, as well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 12 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Maybe not but we are doing things inside the box that give members of the Championship Diving Club the opportunity to get those sort of decisions. And we are not clever enough yet to get those decisions at the other end of the pitch. Kodjia and Freeman go down too theatrically. Spot on. Of the five (or six?) given against us a number of them have been blatant dives, Leeds and Brum in particular. On the other hand of the 3 stonewall penalties we've been denied (Bolton, Brighton and Blackburn) two were presumably turned down for the way Freeman went down, as for the Agard one I've no idea what else he could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He shoved him in the back, it was a blatant penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I thought first contact, but not a foul was outside the box, and the actual push for a penalty, inside. Wherever it was the ref didn't have the advantage of a slow motion reply, so a stupid challenge by Ayling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If the contact is made outside the box but continues inside, the referee can give a penalty. Most bottle it though and give a free kick instead. I haven't seen the Ayling / Wells incident in any detail to comment on what happened yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I thought there was contact, looked reasonable enough for the ref to call it inside the box, but I didn't think it was a penalty in a million years. There was never enough there to send him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 The shove was in the box and I think it was a penalty. Very odd that we haven't had one yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Seriously wonder if some on here have a clue. A clear penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 We will get one. Soon. "In my opinion" like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLR Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Give the ref a decision to make and you're liable to be punished at the end of the day. What annoys me also is the fact you could see the ball Huddersfield were gonna play in behind all day long, yet our players still didn't read it (not for the first time this season). Too often are we being caught on the counter, defenfers backing away from goal and opposition with a man over - it's never going to end well playing like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 If I would've been manager I would've given pack a right bollocking for allowing himself to be turned so easily and then making a half heated effort to track back in the build up to the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think it was a bit soft to be honest. On this season's scale of "never a pen" vs "wtf are you doing Kodjia?", it was probably in the middle somewhere. We've had many far better shouts turned down, frustratingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 6 hours ago, redfieldred said: Having looked at incident with Ayling and Welles using pause etc, Ayling pulls Welles back outside the area. Welles is aware of the contact and waits until he enters the area to go down. There is no further fouling contact in the area, although ayling has his arm in contact with him in isolation this is no way a foul. Should have been a free kick in the D You can pause it how many times you like, but the Ref doesn't have that option!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Ok the ref has a decision to make. It was a clear foul outside. Welles continues (advantage played) minimal contact inside the box and he goes down like a sack of spuds. Penalty given was very soft as minimal contact inside the area, it was not a blatant push as someone has said. It was certainly open to doubt, and as usual this season we did not get the benefit of the doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 4 hours ago, YorkshireSection said: He shoved him in the back, it was a blatant penalty. That's how it looked to me. Even if it wasn't, I think the fact the OP posts this after admitting to "pausing replays" means you can't really blame the ref for giving it, if it takes that level of review to be able to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: That's how it looked to me. Even if it wasn't, I think the fact the OP posts this after admitting to "pausing replays" means you can't really blame the ref for giving it, if it takes that level of review to be able to see it. There wasn't a shove, he is actually taking his arm away from his back after having pulled him back. It's the way Welles goes down that makes it look like a shove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, redfieldred said: There wasn't a shove, he is actually taking his arm away from his back after having pulled him back. It's the way Welles goes down that makes it look like a shove. Possibly, but if you are daft enough to to put your arm on someone's back in the penalty area, you are asking for trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Looked a clear penalty to me. Luckily it didn't matter. G'wan Frank and Flint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 My impression was that the incident started outside the box and he waited until inside to go down, certainly the benefit of doubt when to them which is typical with penalty decisions this season, of course all irrelevant now but I am starting to get paranoid about penalty decisions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Absolutely not a penalty. Poor refering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjia 22 Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Well it's gone now, Frankie saved it, it was a very poor pen, weakly struck and not in the corner, we got 3 points yesterday and we go on to Derby on Tuesday with a spring in our step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 5 hours ago, Super said: Seriously wonder if some on here have a clue. A clear penalty. yup totally agree super just rewatched again twice and definite pen...anyways..they missed so lets stop staring into the gifthorses mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 As I said on the matchday thread, on such incidents do whole seasons turn. For once, stuff went our way, lets build on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Phantom Posted December 14, 2015 Admin Share Posted December 14, 2015 21 hours ago, YorkshireSection said: He shoved him in the back, it was a blatant penalty. Have to say there was definate contact with his arm inside the penalty area - can't argue about this one, even though do agree about others against us in the league this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 19 hours ago, Super said: Seriously wonder if some on here have a clue. A clear penalty. You have over 19,000 posts and are just starting to wonder that Super? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, cynic said: Ayling raised his arm and appeared to give their player a shove, and in real time it was a definite penalty. It was piss poor defending all round with our defence running towards our own goal having been carved open with two passes. Alls well that ends well I suppose. On another note - who is our penalty taker if Agard isn't on the pitch ? What, you mean after he's retired through old age while we still wait to be given a pen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Whether it's a penalty or not what I do know is that it was lazy defending by Ayling who gave Wells every opportunity to "go down" at his convenience. There seems to be a common theme in other fans opinions of us which is "they've got some dangerous players and are decent going forward but they are awful at the back". Tbh I think a lot of our defensive problems arise from teams being able to drive a double decker bus through our midfield but you still expect your defenders to defend properly. I still think we need competition for Frank but have to admit that he, more than any other player on the pitch, earned us the points on Saturday by making a number of important saves in terrible conditions for Keepers. The thirty yarder he got beat with was a great strike so no criticism there and the save he made at the end from point blank range after another Ayling mistake was a match winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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