Fordy62 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Evening all, I keep reading on here that people would drop Ayling to allow Baker, Moore & Flint play together. He's almost progressing to some sort of forum scapegoat, granted not a scapegoat to Marlon Pack's magnitude, but a scapegoat nonetheless. People seem to forget the countless times you'll see "off the line from Ayling" this season on matchday threads. I also think that he provides a very good link between defence and midfield, or even defence and attack, such is his comfort on the ball. We need someone like him, they can't all be row Z types a la Flint & Baker. I'm an Ayling fan. And I think we're better off with him! (although his facial hair could do with some work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Moore's loan finishes soon. If it's not renewed that 3 (Baker, Flint, Moore) probably won't end up starting a game together anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 My only criticism of him (and I`m a huge fan of his BTW) is that he does tend to get caught upfield after his runs forward and gives them a free run at that side. Personally I`d like to see him tried in midfield with a proper RB/RWB in the side but I guess if we did that, what would we do with Eliott Bennett? Agree about the facial hair though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 11 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Moore's loan finishes soon. If it's not renewed that 3 (Baker, Flint, Moore) probably won't end up starting a game together anyway. Started together at Birmingham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, CITYAREREDANDWHITE said: Started together at Birmingham From now until January I meant. I think Moore can play that role of taking the ball out of defence and sadly we will probably only just begin to see what he can do after his injury as his loan comes to an end - assuming we can't renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I don't think many if any are turning him into a scapegoat, but thank god (or Aden Flint) that his nievely foolish challenge didn't cost us as much as it could have done. I'm a fan a Luke Ayling, after initial doubts, and he's decent enough but certainly needs to learn from yesterday's mistake. Mind you, had Pack not let their midfielder just stroll up the pitch unchallenged...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Personally I wouldn't play baker for a bit barring injuries/suspensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 34 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: My only criticism of him (and I`m a huge fan of his BTW) is that he does tend to get caught upfield after his runs forward and gives them a free run at that side. Personally I`d like to see him tried in midfield with a proper RB/RWB in the side but I guess if we did that, what would we do with Eliott Bennett? Agree about the facial hair though. 12 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: I don't think many if any are turning him into a scapegoat, but thank god (or Aden Flint) that his nievely foolish challenge didn't cost us as much as it could have done. I'm a fan a Luke Ayling, after initial doubts, and he's decent enough but certainly needs to learn from yesterday's mistake. Mind you, had Pack not let their midfielder just stroll up the pitch unchallenged...! Spot on the system should be if a defender ventures into an attacking position either Smith or Pack should drop into his position and if they fail to do so that is their mistake. and for the record I thought the Huddersfield penalty was rather soft as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 gotta bring back baker for the experience factor alone.... but id hate to see a winning side changed and this game is one where we should take the game to derby..no good sitting deep allowing them to come at us all the time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 So any player who fans suggest are not good enough are scapegoats? I guess we better all say Ayling is top quality defender then who has not put a foot wrong all season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 2 minutes ago, Jonbristol said: So any player who fans suggest are not good enough are scapegoats? I guess we better all say Ayling is top quality defender then who has not put a foot wrong all season... Are you bringing across beef from the Taraabt thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Although Ayling has made the odd mistake, I think he's one of the players who's adapted well to life in The Championship. For someone who can't defend, has no pace, gets caught on the ball etc (not my view I hasten to add), I think he's been one of our better players. He is a key part of the way we play out from the back to allow Bennett to get width in an advanced position early in the play. Losing that, loses dome of the effectiveness of Bennett. I'm really torn on whether you bring Baker back in for Moore or not...but not in the camp that says bring him back for Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 For me he makes too many mistakes. I like him but not convinced at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 minutes ago, Londoner said: For me he makes too many mistakes. I like him but not convinced at this level. From what i've seen he makes no more than anybody else in the team and especially compared to Pack and or Freeman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I like Ayling, his attitude, commitment and desire are spot on and he really plays for the shirt. Obviously you'd expect this of every pro footballer but try telling Newcastle fans that their players demonstrated all this earlier this season. Mr Ayling is a refreshing player and he'd always be in my team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: From what i've seen he makes no more than anybody else in the team and especially compared to Pack and or Freeman. He makes mistakes in a position where you ultimately get punished. Which someone like freeman can get away with. He takes too many risks and like I said would play Moore in his position. not scapegoating or having a dig, it's just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Technically Ayling is a good footballer but he is not disciplined enough to play as the right side of a back three. Or strong enough in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I would prefer him in a defensive midfield role. That way if he bursts upfield ( which I love to see as no-one else seems to try it) and loses it we have cover behind him. Many have suggested in the past that we try Moore as RCB and Ayling in place of Pack. However SC has never tried it yet so I doubt we will ever find out if it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYAREREDANDWHITE Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: Technically Ayling is a good footballer but he is not disciplined enough to play as the right side of a back three. Or strong enough in the air. Not like he played in that position extremely well this season, and every single game last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 When he plays as a centre back he's great. When he waddles forward as if he's Ronaldo, he costs the team big time. But you gotta love Luke Ayling. His attitude is brilliant and he seems a great character who always tries his best and is one of the most passionate and likeable players we've had in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Defensively some people would prefer to see Moore slot into his position to give us more height and a less adventurous but more solid back 3. To say he's being scapegoated for those suggestions is ridiculous. Personally I'm not bothered either way and see the benefits of both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 11 hours ago, Aaron-Bcfc said: Defensively some people would prefer to see Moore slot into his position to give us more height Is Liam Moore much taller than Ayling? I wouldn't have thought so.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Same height 6ft 1in according to the ever so reliable Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 jury is still out for me at this level (well same as pretty much all our players) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Not scapegoating Ayling at all but he cost us a penalty and almost three points right at the end on Saturday. Luckily Frank stepped up to the plate with a great match winning save (albeit the kid should have buried it but that's not Frank's issue, he did what he had to do). If he's had a bad game or two then people are entitled to put that opinion across. No different for any player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Not scapegoating Ayling at all but he cost us a penalty and almost three points right at the end on Saturday. Luckily Frank stepped up to the plate with a great match winning save (albeit the kid should have buried it but that's not Frank's issue, he did what he had to do). If he's had a bad game or two then people are entitled to put that opinion across. No different for any player. I think Luke's weak points are outweighed by the positives he brings to the team. It is easy to say whoever is the last line of defence, be it the defender or the goalie, "cost" a goal, but the ball was usually given away up the pitch by someone else and the attack usually bypasses a number of other players. Not saying this was the case with this penalty here, but always worth people bearing that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 hours ago, Buckeyed said: Is Liam Moore much taller than Ayling? I wouldn't have thought so.. Fair enough, same height if wiki is to be trusted. Always had Ayling down as being about 5'10, playing alongside Flinty probably makes him seem smaller! Moore is a big lad physically though, I'd fancy him to handle big strikers, like Ishmael Miller from Saturday, better in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 22 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: I don't think many if any are turning him into a scapegoat, but thank god (or Aden Flint) that his nievely foolish challenge didn't cost us as much as it could have done. I'm a fan a Luke Ayling, after initial doubts, and he's decent enough but certainly needs to learn from yesterday's mistake. Mind you, had Pack not let their midfielder just stroll up the pitch unchallenged...! Spot on, aside from getting caught out losing possession high up the pitch from time to time. Ayling's other weakness is a lack of pace with someone running at him. The pen Saturday was perfect illustration of that, but indeed only happened 'cos their man strolled past Pack as though he was not there and Pack too has not got the pace to track back once someone has gone passed him. What Ayling does do better than any of our other CBs is bringing the ball out and providing that linkage, (as long as he does not overdo it and get caught out), his positional cover is also generally good hence why he has cleared a few off the line. For me he would look at lot better with a stronger CM in front of him :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Did well without Luke tonight..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 My thoughts too. He's saved our blushes in games this season. You have to wonder how he would have fared tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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