westonred Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that" He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 No panic. Plenty of people 'in the know' assured me we were signing Matt Smith in time for the start of this season, so we don't need a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourne End Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ah that's good then, we will have a strong side next season....in league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Really does put the madness of wages in modern football into perspective. £2k a week for the average City player, when someone like Rooney is on 150x more. insane and incredible. Steve wants to spend but he isn't stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, westonred said: Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that" He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added SL's wrong then imo., the squad clearly isn't good enough. Not if the plan was to have a comfortable season anyway. There is great potential in our squad but the young players who looked outstanding in L1 desperately needed help to show their best form in this league. It seems SL's saying exactly that in the very last words of your post, so surely he's actually saying we're not good enough as things stand. Mixed messages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Reading between the lines we`re going down the best of league 1 route for signings in January then. Not necessarily disappointed with that approach TBH after the last time in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 What I don't understand, is if the average League 1 salary is 2 grand a week, why is it we pay our players '9 trillion pounds an hour' - which is what some 'in the know' people claim. But never reveal their sources. Part of me is starting to wonder if some posters on here are talking out their backsides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: What I don't understand, is if the average League 1 salary is 2 grand a week, why is it we pay our players '9 trillion pounds an hour' - which is what some 'in the know' people claim. But never reveal their sources. Part of me is starting to wonder if some posters on here are talking out their backsides. only part of you BR? now that is talking out yer backside!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 29 minutes ago, westonred said: Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that" He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 It depends on what SL really believes will be the outcome of this season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 23 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said: Really does put the madness of wages in modern football into perspective. £2k a week for the average City player, when someone like Rooney is on 150x more. insane and incredible. Steve wants to spend but he isn't stupid. £2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 And we bothered enquiring about Gray and Gayle? Wasting our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 10 minutes ago, Calculus said: £2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours. That's right, the British Potato Council must be paying Rooney a fortune ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 39 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Reading between the lines we`re going down the best of league 1 route for signings in January then. Not necessarily disappointed with that approach TBH after the last time in the championship. Should have ****ing done that in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, old_eastender said: Should have ****ing done that in the summer Totally agree. If we`d got in three or four before pre season who knows what would have happened. We couldn`t be in any worse position than we are now (alright I know we technically could be bottom) and collectively they would have cost less than Gray or Gayle. More importantly, we would have players that want to be here and show they`re good enough for the step up. They might not all have made it but we may also have found another Albert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 24 minutes ago, Calculus said: £2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours. It isn't that excessive, 50k after tax, less after pension contributions and even less after keeping your WAG well turned out. Given how short the career is, it doesn't seem OTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 The guy wants to build a sustainable platform. Admirable and will stand the club well for the future, but building a strong squad in the meantime is much needed. Clearly the lesson from the last attempt at doing the championship on the cheap hasn't been learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, westonred said: Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that" He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added Sounds like a recipe for relegation to me. The League One players are finding it tough in the Championship, so let's buy more of them. Hmmm......not too thrilled to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 6 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: The guy wants to build a sustainable platform. Admirable and will stand the club well for the future, but building a strong squad in the meantime is much needed. Clearly the lesson from the last attempt at doing the championship on the cheap hasn't been learned. Did we do it on the cheap? I can`t imagine the likes of Heaton, Davis, Baldock et al were earning peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: The guy wants to build a sustainable platform. Admirable and will stand the club well for the future, but building a strong squad in the meantime is much needed. Clearly the lesson from the last attempt at doing the championship on the cheap hasn't been learned. Absolutely! I'd rather just go back to L1 and just forget about the bloody Championship, there's no point. At least in L1 95% of your Saturday's and Tuesday's aren't ruined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 44 minutes ago, Southstandoriginal said: We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work! No , but look on the positives At least it's sustainable !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Did we do it on the cheap? I can`t imagine the likes of Heaton, Davis, Baldock et al were earning peanuts. But I bet most, if not all players signed after Coppell were considerably cheaper than what they replaced - Heaton for James is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said: Reading between the lines we`re going down Yup ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Barrs Court Red said: But I bet most, if not all players signed after Coppell were considerably cheaper than what they replaced - Heaton for James is a good example. True, I`ll give you that. Cheaper but still bloody expensive and how many of them were actually worth it? Heaton, Baldock, Davis (occasionally when he could be arsed) probably but Hunt, Stewart, Morris, Foster, Macmanus definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Well we now know who was responsible for the summer shambles - SL I have on earlier threads been critical of SC in relation to formation, use of subs, and coaching. I still think my, and others' comments, are pertinent BUT now I genuinely feel I and others need to cut SC some slack. He made it clear on first arrival that he would need 6 or more players if we won promotion; why was SL silent then, and misleading all of us, including SC, into believing he was serious about reaching the Premiership. We now know he isn't even committed to keeping us in The Championship. He always knew the cost of Championship players. Clearly the Gayle/ Gray bids were to placate SC. We guessed then it was a gimmick and now we know for certain it was. What a way to run any company. All this goes to underline a point I made on an earlier thread that he is happy with cheaper division 3 football. Clearly his commitment is to Bristol Sport not to Bristol City and the money he thinks he can make out of the revamped stadium. As I have said elsewhere the new stadium's finances are clearly predicated on third division football. We have been mislead badly and now we must hope someone can extricate our beloved club from the deadly embrace of Bristol Sport Before today I was upset by our current league position, now I fear for the long term future of the club. Haven't felt like this since the Newport game. If SC walks who on earth would want to come to City? And I for one would not blame him now if he did walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 If we wait another few years we might get experienced midfielder Kevin Nolan for 3 or 4 grand a week Patience is the key here gents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: True, I`ll give you that. Cheaper but still bloody expensive and how many of them were actually worth it? Heaton, Baldock, Davis (occasionally when he could be arsed) probably but Hunt, Stewart, Morris, Foster, Macmanus definitely not. I've managed to put a good proportion of that lot out of my memory, thanks SO much for the reminder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: I've managed to put a good proportion of that lot out of my memory, thanks SO much for the reminder No problem, always happy to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Ashton Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 14 minutes ago, Sniper said: Absolutely! I'd rather just go back to L1 and just forget about the bloody Championship, there's no point. At least in L1 95% of your Saturday's and Tuesday's aren't ruined. So if we go back to L1, and won promotion to the Championship again, we should decline the promotion and stay in L1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Robin Ashton said: So if we go back to L1, and won promotion to the Championship again, we should decline the promotion and stay in L1? Interesting thought, would certainly make the news if we did. I`d settle for just planning a bit better next time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Really encouraging stuff from SL. NOT. Our club certainly know how to phuk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Sounds like he's determined to carry on with the strategy that the club needs to stand on it's own two feet. Can't see the problem with this to be honest, he's not ruled out spending money on experienced players as long as it fits the budget. Not sure why this is seen as a bad thing in the short term, once the ground is operating fully the extra revenue will obviously help to buy better players. Sounds like right now we need to walk then build up to a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Were any PILLARS mentioned ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 So then, IF he appears content to let us slide back down, there is no way he has even contimplated SC's future. Wonder if he thinks the money will come from Bristol in the Prem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, glos old boy said: Were any PILLARS mentioned ? No! No pillars in the new stand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, screech said: Sounds like he's determined to carry on with the strategy that the club needs to stand on it's own two feet. Can't see the problem with this to be honest, he's not ruled out spending money on experienced players as long as it fits the budget. Not sure why this is seen as a bad thing in the short term, once the ground is operating fully the extra revenue will obviously help to buy better players. Sounds like right now we need to walk then build up to a run. Extra revenue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Just now, Roger Red Hat said: Extra revenue? Conference halls, hospitality, sponsors boxes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, screech said: Conference halls, hospitality, sponsors boxes etc. ...smaller crowds...etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, screech said: Conference halls, hospitality, sponsors boxes etc. Just now, Roger Red Hat said: ...smaller crowds...etc.. TBF The conference halls, hospitality, boxes etc will be a more substantial income than any loss of individual fans in 'economy seats' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: TBF The conference halls, hospitality, boxes etc will be a more substantial income than any loss of individual fans in 'economy seats' Say we go down and don't do very well, gates at 9 or 10k, will that not make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Are people making assumptions that the greater revenues from the corporate stuff will be heading into BCFC coffers? I'm not sure they will. Bristol Sport coffers certainly but there is no guarantee that we will receive the lions share is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees? Isn't that a completely flawed business model? From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ashtonphil Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 hours ago, westonred said: Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that" He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added I was also there and I thought it was an interesting chat at the start too.. To be honest I think he wants to stay up but isn't prepared to pay the big bucks. In the initial "speech" he didn't mention ther manager once and talked about the progress the club had made in his nearly 20 year involvement, which to be fair none of us can... He did mention two Pillars and admitted that the Academy isn't good enough yet and also signing young players. Mind you he was worried there were no gift vouchers in the shop!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Seems like the priority is to have the conference facilities rather than a football team above our traditional home of League One. Perhaps Bristol Rugby are also doomed to second tier rugby because one is beginning to wonder if they deliberately fail in the pray offs. I will now definitely not be renewing my dual season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: TBF The conference halls, hospitality, boxes etc will be a more substantial income than any loss of individual fans in 'economy seats' Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, ciderup said: Are people making assumptions that the greater revenues from the corporate stuff will be heading into BCFC coffers? I'm not sure they will. Bristol Sport coffers certainly but there is no guarantee that we will receive the lions share is there? Fair point Cider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly). Maybe the corporate stuff is coming from people who normally sit in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Makes the leaving of Pelling even more intriguing. I mentioned in another thread about SL not knowing about football...I stand by that comment from what has been quoted on here. Like I said before...any manager would struggle to succeed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Have to say if this is SLs stance aim surprised - accepting the money drain can't continue I understand you have to work to a budget.... But having 'wasted' over £50 million in previous campaigns in the Championship I'm surprised that he wasn't tempted to have one last financial hop out the budget, if necessary, to build on the success of last season with a real (best we will get) chance of establishing ourselves in the Championship, especially as he must realise the finances in the Championship compared to L1 is getting wider, as is the standard meaning the jump from L1 to Championship , is or is going to be soon, as difficult as the jump from Championship to Prem. As the owner he has the right to call the shots but I'm just a bit surprised as I've explained - not my money to spend sadly Cant see us ever being able to compete financially (Independently) in Championship I if I'm honest which paints a clear picture. The idea of creating some form of a mini Barcelona academy at City producing a stream of first team gems or buying up the best L1 and L2 players every year is lovely but in reality not that simple to put it mildly At least supporters now know the situation - if we can stay up we have another chance to build a few steps next year , if we drop it could be L1 for a while Fingers and toes crossed then ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 7 minutes ago, spudski said: Makes the leaving of Pelling even more intriguing. I mentioned in another thread about SL not knowing about football...I stand by that comment from what has been quoted on here. Like I said before...any manager would struggle to succeed here. what owners do "know" football though. The difference for me is the personnel at executive level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees? Isn't that a completely flawed business model? From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times? Yes. Seems he understands finance but not football. Also, if that is going to be our strategy why didn't we follow it in the summer then and sign the likes of Egan at Gillingham, Morsy at Chesterfield, etc? By now they'd be 20 games experienced at this level, not playing in it for the first time as the need for points will get more crucial. Still, at least it might cut Cotterill some slack from those who think this is all down to him. Worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees? Isn't that a completely flawed business model? From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times? I guess that the type of player we were supposedly looking to bring here would have a strong capital value which in the short term would be maintained so could recovered when sold on. Where as high wages are obviously not recoverable. Seems a flawed strategy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees? Isn't that a completely flawed business model? From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times? Theory being KITR that you can recoup the fee, even profit later when you sell on (as long as your scouting and purchase price are good) compared to wages which when paid are gone I agree that the buy has to come as a package and that discussion has been done to death Im not the money man but would suggest you do your calculations and include wages in them Hypothetically - let's say we pay 7m for Andre Gray and let's say we give him 25k a week on a 3 year deal (total approx 3.2million) That gives you a package price of 10.2 million IF you are confident in your recruitment process and those proposing the purchase (Manager, Burt etc) then, in this current climate with fee ever increasing you should be confident you could sell Gray in this example for £10 million or more at any time during the three years) (Fine unless you buy duffs or let contracts expire !) Its not my money and it is big money to us mere mortals but it's all about whether you have confidence in those wanting to buy said player Looks like (understandably) SL isn't in a rush to trust when it comes to those sort of figures as he's signed the cheque for numerous bad buys in the past. That's how I see things Certainly appears to puts any idea we (SL) might splash out in January to bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Very interesting! Thanks for posting. I for one hope SL doesn't bow to the pressure from SC. There are players out there who we can get with our wage structure, Cotts is being stubborn. Fingers crossed January is a good month and we sign some great players on non-ridiculous wages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yes, but the point is you won't even be able to sign players for high transfer fees if you don't offer the wages to match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 hour ago, Southstandoriginal said: We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work! He's préparing for our return to League 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ashtonphil Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: He's préparing for our return to League 1 . To be honest it did sound a bit like that to me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 So, if it is as SL stated, the average league 1 wage is 2k a week and it seems to be the general view that we now have a wage cap of 10k how much were our players on last season? I can`t see 8k pay rises all round for getting promoted so I guess it was somewhere over 2k to begin with. Was that a major factor in why we were able to attract the quality of players we did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said: So, if it is as SL stated, the average league 1 wage is 2k a week and it seems to be the general view that we now have a wage cap of 10k how much were our players on last season? I can`t see 8k pay rises all round for getting promoted so I guess it was somewhere over 2k to begin with. Was that a major factor in why we were able to attract the quality of players we did? Yes - or at least what I would think - No doubt we were one of the better payers in L1 - would have guessed Freeman, Wilbs, Smith on ? 5-7k last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Yes - or at least what I would think - No doubt we were one of the better payers in L1 - would have guessed Freeman, Wilbs, Smith on ? 5-7k last year Me too. The next logical question then, is what happens if we do go down? Do the ones that stay go back to the 5-7k and that is what would be on offer to any quality new recruits? I suppose it would have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said: Me too. The next logical question then, is what happens if we do go down? Do the ones that stay go back to the 5-7k and that is what would be on offer to any quality new recruits? I suppose it would have to be. Depends on relegation clauses being in the new or existing contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 52 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly). Not forgetting The Gas. Imagine their delight rocking up to our sparkling new stadium in their caravans. What a thought. A risk worth spending 100 million to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 For sure but do we think those are the sort of figures that would apply. If so, we become an attractive proposition again as not many clubs could match that, Sheff Utd maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I'm surprised at the 2 Grand quoted. I know for a fact last time Southampton were in League One, about 4 years ago, they were paying at least one of their players £13,000 a week. This player wasnt anyone that well known, but 'experienced' yet hardly a household name, ie not a young player with upcoming value in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john shaw number 1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I wasn't happy when cotts said we would have lost with 12 players,when we play them at the gate by his thinking we might as well stay at home or in the pubs around ashton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 13 minutes ago, RedM said: I'm surprised at the 2 Grand quoted. I know for a fact last time Southampton were in League One, about 4 years ago, they were paying at least one of their players £13,000 a week. This player wasnt anyone that well known, but 'experienced' yet hardly a household name, ie not a young player with upcoming value in him. With the greatest of respect Saints had fallen a couple of divisions in short order and so we're paying well above the odds then. Don't forget Karl Robinson's comments about our wage bill last season too, wages of £5k or £6k a week are a fortune down there. Seen comments on various forums that this season's League One is one of the weakest ever, Burton and Walsall are both flying high, I doubt they even pay £2k a week to their players myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 1 minute ago, john shaw number 1 said: I wasn't happy when cotts said we would have lost with 12 players,when we play them at the gate by his thinking we might as well stay at home or in the pubs around ashton Or indeed field the full twelve May I suggest a 4-5-2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john shaw number 1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Or indeed field the full twelve May I suggest a 4-5-2 ? He said we would have still lost with 12 players,so we need 13 at home against them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Ok - well being a bit revolutionary - I'll stay with my 4-5-2 but have two keepers seems as feasible as any other plan we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest john shaw number 1 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 17 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Ok - well being a bit revolutionary - I'll stay with my 4-5-2 but have two keepers seems as feasible as any other plan we have A great idea but do we have 2 good keepers?i dont mind the walk back to the lions after the game is getting longer so it would save me the walk unless we have 13 players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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