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Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today

When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that"

He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands

He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money 

However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure

He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player

Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added

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4 minutes ago, westonred said:

Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today

When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that"

He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands

He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money 

However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure

He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player

Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added

SL's wrong then imo., the squad clearly isn't good enough. Not if the plan was to have a comfortable season anyway.

There is great potential in our squad but the young players who looked outstanding in L1 desperately needed help to show their best form in this league.

It seems SL's saying exactly that in the very last words of your post, so surely he's actually saying we're not good enough as things stand.

Mixed messages.

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What I don't understand, is if the average League 1 salary is 2 grand a week, why is it we pay our players '9 trillion pounds an hour' - which is what some 'in the know' people claim. But never reveal their sources.

Part of me is starting to wonder if some posters on here are talking out their backsides.

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2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

What I don't understand, is if the average League 1 salary is 2 grand a week, why is it we pay our players '9 trillion pounds an hour' - which is what some 'in the know' people claim. But never reveal their sources.

Part of me is starting to wonder if some posters on here are talking out their backsides.

only part of you BR?

 

now that is talking out yer backside!!

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29 minutes ago, westonred said:

Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today

When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that"

He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands

He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money 

However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure

He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player

Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added

We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work!

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23 minutes ago, TheCulturalBomb said:

Really does put the madness of wages in modern football into perspective. £2k a week for the average City player, when someone like Rooney is on 150x more. insane and incredible. Steve wants to spend but he isn't stupid. 

£2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours.

 

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10 minutes ago, Calculus said:

£2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours.

 

That's right, the British Potato Council must be paying Rooney a fortune ! ;)

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1 minute ago, old_eastender said:

Should have ****ing done that in the summer :grr:

Totally agree. If we`d got in three or four before pre season who knows what would have happened. We couldn`t be in any worse position than we are now (alright I know we technically could be bottom) and collectively they would have cost less than Gray or Gayle. More importantly, we would have players that want to be here and show they`re good enough for the step up. They might not all have made it but we may also have found another Albert.

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24 minutes ago, Calculus said:

£2k a week is still £100k a year for a league one player. That's still mad money, so I would think most of City's would be on well over that. Yes, Rooney is off the scale, but there's a lot more marketing income attached to Rooney than any one of ours.

 

It isn't that excessive, 50k after tax, less after pension contributions and even less after keeping your WAG well turned out.

Given how short the career is, it doesn't seem OTT.

 

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1 hour ago, westonred said:

Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today

When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that"

He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands

He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money

However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure

He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player

Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added

Sounds like a recipe for relegation to me.

The League One players are finding it tough in the Championship, so let's buy more of them.

Hmmm......not too thrilled to hear that.

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6 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

The guy wants to build a sustainable platform. Admirable and will stand the club well for the future, but building a strong squad in the meantime is much needed.

Clearly the lesson from the last attempt at doing the championship on the cheap hasn't been learned.

Did we do it on the cheap? I can`t imagine the likes of Heaton, Davis, Baldock et al were earning peanuts.

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4 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

The guy wants to build a sustainable platform. Admirable and will stand the club well for the future, but building a strong squad in the meantime is much needed.

Clearly the lesson from the last attempt at doing the championship on the cheap hasn't been learned.

Absolutely! I'd rather just go back to L1 and just forget about the bloody Championship, there's no point. At least in L1 95% of your Saturday's and Tuesday's aren't ruined.

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44 minutes ago, Southstandoriginal said:

We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work!

No , but look on the positives

At least it's sustainable !!!!

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Barrs Court Red said:

But I bet most, if not all players signed after Coppell were considerably cheaper than what they replaced - Heaton for James is a good example.

True, I`ll give you that. Cheaper but still bloody expensive and how many of them were actually worth it? Heaton, Baldock, Davis (occasionally when he could be arsed) probably but Hunt, Stewart, Morris, Foster, Macmanus definitely not.

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Well we now know who was responsible for the summer shambles - SL

I have on earlier threads been critical of SC in relation to formation, use of subs, and coaching.  I still think my, and others' comments, are pertinent BUT now I genuinely feel I and others need to cut SC some slack.

He made it clear on first arrival that he would need 6 or more players if we won promotion; why was SL silent then, and misleading all of us, including SC, into believing he was serious about reaching the Premiership.  We now know he isn't even committed to keeping us in The Championship. He always knew the cost of Championship players.  Clearly the Gayle/ Gray bids were to placate SC.  We guessed then it was a gimmick and now we know for certain it was.  What a way to run any company.

All this goes to underline a point I made on an earlier thread that he is happy with cheaper division 3 football.   Clearly his commitment is to Bristol Sport not to Bristol City and the money he thinks he can make out of the revamped stadium. As I have said elsewhere the new stadium's finances are clearly predicated on third division football.

We have been mislead badly and now we must hope someone can extricate our beloved club from the deadly embrace of Bristol Sport

Before today I was upset by our current league position, now I fear for the long term future of the club.  Haven't felt like this since the Newport game. 

If SC walks who on earth would want to come to City?  And I for one would not blame him now if he did walk.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

True, I`ll give you that. Cheaper but still bloody expensive and how many of them were actually worth it? Heaton, Baldock, Davis (occasionally when he could be arsed) probably but Hunt, Stewart, Morris, Foster, Macmanus definitely not.

I've managed to put a good proportion of that lot out of my memory, thanks SO much for the reminder :) 

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14 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Absolutely! I'd rather just go back to L1 and just forget about the bloody Championship, there's no point. At least in L1 95% of your Saturday's and Tuesday's aren't ruined.

So if we go back to L1, and won promotion to the Championship again, we should decline the promotion and stay in L1?

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Sounds like he's determined to carry on with the strategy that the club needs to stand on it's own two feet. Can't see the problem with this to be honest, he's not ruled out spending money on experienced players as long as it fits the budget. Not sure why this is seen as a bad thing in the short term, once the ground is operating fully the extra revenue will obviously help to buy better players.

Sounds like right now we need to walk then build up to  a run.

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4 minutes ago, screech said:

Sounds like he's determined to carry on with the strategy that the club needs to stand on it's own two feet. Can't see the problem with this to be honest, he's not ruled out spending money on experienced players as long as it fits the budget. Not sure why this is seen as a bad thing in the short term, once the ground is operating fully the extra revenue will obviously help to buy better players.

Sounds like right now we need to walk then build up to  a run.

Extra revenue?

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Are people making assumptions that the greater revenues from the corporate stuff will be heading into BCFC coffers? I'm not sure they will. Bristol Sport coffers certainly but there is no guarantee that we will receive the lions share is there? 

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2 hours ago, westonred said:

Steve Lansdown spoke at the Snr Reds Xmas lunch today

When asked if any players had already been signed up and ready to come straight in, in January his answer was "Hand on heart i dont know of any so 'No' is the answer to that"

He also said that the club still weren't prepared to break the wage structure to get us out of this mess He wont bow down to players and their greedy wage demands

He stressed we will still target young and hungry Div 1 players (under 24 mentioned) who will improve the squad and fit in with our wage structure. Quoted £2k a week is an average wage in Div 1 so feels Players would jump at the chance to come here and be good value for money 

However we would consider experienced players over 24 but only if they fall within our wages structure

He thought that Wade Elliot hadn't been replaced in the summer and we were lacking that sort of experienced leader type player

Also he didnt like what he was reading in the paper this week about the squad not being good enough (Obviously a pop at Cotts) SL said he thought the squad were good enough however needed more experience added

I was also there and I thought it was an interesting chat at the start too..

To be honest I think he wants to stay up but isn't prepared to pay the big bucks. In the initial "speech" he didn't mention ther manager once and talked about the progress the club had made in his nearly 20 year involvement, which to be fair none of us can...

He did mention two Pillars and admitted that the Academy isn't good enough yet and also signing young players. 

Mind you he was worried there were no gift vouchers in the shop!!!

 

 

 

 

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Seems like the priority is to have the conference facilities rather than a football team above our traditional home of League One.

Perhaps Bristol Rugby are also doomed to second tier rugby because one is beginning to wonder if they deliberately fail in the pray offs.

I will now definitely not be renewing my dual season tickets.

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

TBF The conference halls, hospitality, boxes etc will be a more substantial income than any loss of individual fans in 'economy seats'

Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly).

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4 minutes ago, ciderup said:

Are people making assumptions that the greater revenues from the corporate stuff will be heading into BCFC coffers? I'm not sure they will. Bristol Sport coffers certainly but there is no guarantee that we will receive the lions share is there? 

Fair point Cider

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly).

Maybe the corporate stuff is coming from people who normally sit in the stands.

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Have to say if this is SLs stance aim surprised - accepting the money drain can't continue I understand you have to work to a budget....

But having 'wasted' over £50 million in previous campaigns in the Championship I'm surprised that he wasn't tempted to have one last financial hop out the budget, if necessary, to build on the success of last season with a real (best we will get) chance of establishing ourselves in the Championship, especially as he must realise the finances in the Championship compared to L1 is getting wider, as is the standard meaning the jump from L1 to Championship , is or is going to be soon, as difficult as the jump from Championship to Prem.

 

As the owner he has the right to call the shots but I'm just a bit surprised as I've explained - not my money to spend sadly

 

Cant see us ever being able to compete financially (Independently) in Championship I if I'm honest which paints a clear picture.

The idea of creating some form of a mini Barcelona academy at City producing a stream of first team gems or buying up the best L1 and L2 players every year is lovely but in reality not that simple to put it mildly

At least supporters now know the situation - if we can stay up we have another chance to build a few steps next year , if we drop it could be L1 for a while

Fingers and toes crossed then !

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7 minutes ago, spudski said:

Makes the leaving of Pelling even more intriguing.

I mentioned in another thread about SL not knowing about football...I stand by that comment from what has been quoted on here.

Like I said before...any manager would struggle to succeed here.

what owners do "know" football though. The difference for me is the personnel at executive level. 

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25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees?

Isn't that a completely flawed business model? 

From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times?

Yes.

Seems he understands finance but not football.

Also, if that is going to be our strategy why didn't we follow it in the summer then and sign the likes of Egan at Gillingham, Morsy at Chesterfield, etc?

By now they'd be 20 games experienced at this level, not playing in it for the first time as the need for points will get more crucial.

Still, at least it might cut Cotterill some slack from those who think this is all down to him.

Worrying.

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25 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees?

Isn't that a completely flawed business model? 

From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times?

I guess that the type of player we were supposedly looking to bring here would have a strong capital value which in the short term would be maintained so could recovered when sold on. Where as high wages are obviously not recoverable. 

Seems a flawed strategy!

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23 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

So, we're not willing to bow to players wage demands but we will throw around vast sums on transfer fees?

Isn't that a completely flawed business model? 

From one of the most successful businessmen in the UK in recent times?

Theory being KITR that you can recoup the fee, even profit later when you sell on (as long as your scouting and purchase price are good) compared to wages which  when paid are gone

I agree that the buy has to come as a package and that discussion

has been done to death

Im not the money man but would suggest you do your calculations and include wages in them

Hypothetically - let's say we pay 7m for Andre Gray and let's say we give him 25k a week on a 3 year deal (total approx 3.2million) 

That gives you a package price of 10.2 million

IF you are confident in your recruitment process and those proposing the purchase (Manager, Burt etc) then, in this current climate with fee ever increasing you should be confident you could sell Gray in this example for £10 million or more at any time during the three years)

(Fine unless you buy duffs or let contracts expire !)

Its not my money and it is big money to us mere mortals but it's all about whether you have confidence in those wanting to buy said player

Looks like (understandably) SL isn't in a rush to trust when it comes to those sort of figures as he's signed the cheque for numerous bad buys in the past.

That's how I see things

Certainly appears to puts any idea we (SL) might splash out in January to bed

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Very interesting! Thanks for posting. I for one hope SL doesn't bow to the pressure from SC. There are players out there who we can get with our wage structure, Cotts is being stubborn. Fingers crossed January is a good month and we sign some great players on non-ridiculous wages

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1 hour ago, Southstandoriginal said:

We were promoted with young and hungry league 1 players and they've proved to be not up to it in the championship. So Steve thinks the solution is to go back for more of the same. I hope I'm wrong but that ain't gonna work!

He's préparing for our return to League 1 .

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So, if it is as SL stated, the average league 1 wage is 2k a week and it seems to be the general view that we now have a wage cap of 10k how much were our players on last season? I can`t see 8k pay rises all round for getting promoted so I guess it was somewhere over 2k to begin with. Was that a major factor in why we were able to attract the quality of players we did?

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1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said:

So, if it is as SL stated, the average league 1 wage is 2k a week and it seems to be the general view that we now have a wage cap of 10k how much were our players on last season? I can`t see 8k pay rises all round for getting promoted so I guess it was somewhere over 2k to begin with. Was that a major factor in why we were able to attract the quality of players we did?

Yes - or at least what I would think - No doubt we were one of the better payers in L1 - would have guessed Freeman, Wilbs, Smith on ? 5-7k last year

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1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Yes - or at least what I would think - No doubt we were one of the better payers in L1 - would have guessed Freeman, Wilbs, Smith on ? 5-7k last year

Me too. The next logical question then, is what happens if we do go down? Do the ones that stay go back to the 5-7k and that is what would be on offer to any quality new recruits? I suppose it would have to be.

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1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said:

Me too. The next logical question then, is what happens if we do go down? Do the ones that stay go back to the 5-7k and that is what would be on offer to any quality new recruits? I suppose it would have to be.

Depends on relegation clauses being in the new or existing contracts

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52 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Yep. That`s where the money is these days. As someone said, we`ve already sold all the corporate stuff for next year no matter what league we`re in and if we were to go down, realistically how many less season tickets would we shift? About 2k I should think. If we do well, there`s lots more POTD to be had and there will be some decent sized games - Blades, Swindon, Plymouth (possibly), Bolton (probably), Pompey (possibly), Wigan, Coventry (possibly).

 

Not forgetting The Gas.

Imagine their delight rocking up to our sparkling new stadium in their caravans. 

What a thought. A risk worth spending 100 million to avoid.

 

 

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I'm surprised at the 2 Grand quoted. I know for a fact last time Southampton were in League One, about 4 years ago, they were paying at least one of their players £13,000 a week. This player wasnt anyone that well known, but 'experienced' yet hardly a household name, ie not a young player with upcoming value in him.

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I wasn't happy when cotts said we  would have lost with 12 players,when we play them at the gate by his thinking we might as well stay at home or in the pubs around ashton

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13 minutes ago, RedM said:

I'm surprised at the 2 Grand quoted. I know for a fact last time Southampton were in League One, about 4 years ago, they were paying at least one of their players £13,000 a week. This player wasnt anyone that well known, but 'experienced' yet hardly a household name, ie not a young player with upcoming value in him.

With the greatest of respect Saints had fallen a couple of divisions in short order and so we're paying well above the odds then.

Don't forget Karl Robinson's comments about our wage bill last season too, wages of £5k or £6k a week are a fortune down there.

Seen comments on various forums that this season's League One is one of the weakest ever, Burton and Walsall are both flying high, I doubt they even pay £2k a week to their players myself.

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3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Or indeed field the full twelve 

May I suggest a 4-5-2 ?

He said we would have still lost with 12 players,so we need 13 at home against them

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17 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Ok - well being a bit revolutionary - I'll stay with my 4-5-2 but have two keepers

seems as feasible as any other plan we have ;)

A great idea but do we have 2 good keepers?i dont mind the walk back to the lions after the game is getting longer so it would save me the walk unless we have 13 players

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