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11 minutes ago, rjt87 said:

there was a drum in the charlton end today, didnt really do much for them as we were too loud, but why have we not got one again? i think it would be brilliant.

Have to be honest - if he'd been within reach of me he'd have been playing it as a trombone with it stuck 2 ft up his rear passage !

Why we allow opposition fans a drum is beyond me - until he gave up it totally disrupted any atmosphere from our side

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13 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said:

A drum? No. Just no. Annoying and makes us look poxy and small time. 

Considering almost every stadium on the continent (and the rest of the world for that matter) where atmospheres are significantly better has a drum, please elaborate. 

Drums are a brilliant tool for generating an atmosphere if it can be played properly. For me it is one more piece in seriously improving Section 82 

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52 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Considering almost every stadium on the continent (and the rest of the world for that matter) where atmospheres are significantly better has a drum, please elaborate. 

Drums are a brilliant tool for generating an atmosphere if it can be played properly. For me it is one more piece in seriously improving Section 82 

I'll elaborate. Drums have no place in English football grounds. They are f'ing annoying and just make you look tinpot.  Just my view.

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41 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said:

I'll elaborate. Drums have no place in English football grounds. They are f'ing annoying and just make you look tinpot.  Just my view.

The problem is that English football grounds resemble libraries. Our culture has to change in my opinion before it becomes like a trip to the theatre. 

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1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

The problem is that English football grounds resemble libraries. Our culture has to change in my opinion before it becomes like a trip to the theatre. 

English football support culture is the best when it's done well, very often though it just isn't. I don't think we need to copy Turkish fans/French/German as it's different and not in our identity - we just need to do what we're good at but better - safe standing would aid that.

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21 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

English football support culture is the best when it's done well, very often though it just isn't. I don't think we need to copy Turkish fans/French/German as it's different and not in our identity - we just need to do what we're good at but better - safe standing would aid that.

Well the Atyeo is standing yet most people just stand with their arms crossed for 90 minutes. A few crash barriers won't change that. 

Finally I disagree about British football atmosphere being the best when done well, it just isn't, not anymore. We are now in a situation where many Stadia in the USA and Australia put our atmospheres to shame. 

The Dutch fans seem most similar to the British in terms of their culture, but are still miles ahead. 

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1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Well the Atyeo is standing yet most people just stand with their arms crossed for 90 minutes. A few crash barriers won't change that. 

Finally I disagree about British football atmosphere being the best when done well, it just isn't, not anymore. We are now in a situation where many Stadia in the USA and Australia put our atmospheres to shame. 

The Dutch fans seem most similar to the British in terms of their culture, but are still miles ahead. 

That's interesting, all about opinions I guess.

 

For me, this, a fine example of away support

http://youtu.be/yGDySbJXQik

Is miles better than this

problem is many clubs don't necessarily even want a good atmosphere - associate it with trouble basically. They'd rather punters sit, drink the beer (in the safe plastic cups), eat the food and then leave.

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4 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

That's interesting, all about opinions I guess.

 

For me, this, a fine example of away support

http://youtu.be/yGDySbJXQik

Is miles better than this

problem is many clubs don't necessarily even want a good atmosphere - associate it with trouble basically. They'd rather punters sit, drink the beer (in the safe plastic cups), eat the food and then leave.

Finding an example of a home crowd doing that though is very rare. And even rarer is finding fans doing that when their team is losing. And even rarer is finding an entire stadium singing as one for more than a minute (pre match songs such as YNWA and Penny Arcade do not count). 

Then again I accept that there is a problem with British football in general. Anyone who has been to Wembley, Hampden, Cardiff's ground or Windsor Park know that the home fans are like doormice, and although our away support is better, does it really stand out...no. 

Next time you're at the gate, glance over at the Atyeo (or around you if you are an Atyeo man) and observe the line upon line of people stood in silence with their arms crossed. These people (and for chunks of the game I stand like it too) need motivating, especially when we're losing. Would a drum help? Imo yes it would. It may not be popular with everyone but the question is I suppose, would you rather it was quieter with no drum or louder with one? 

 

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6 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Finding an example of a home crowd doing that though is very rare. And even rarer is finding fans doing that when their team is losing. And even rarer is finding an entire stadium singing as one for more than a minute (pre match songs such as YNWA and Penny Arcade do not count). 

Then again I accept that there is a problem with British football in general. Anyone who has been to Wembley, Hampden, Cardiff's ground or Windsor Park know that the home fans are like doormice, and although our away support is better, does it really stand out...no. 

Next time you're at the gate, glance over at the Atyeo (or around you if you are an Atyeo man) and observe the line upon line of people stood in silence with their arms crossed. These people (and for chunks of the game I stand like it too) need motivating, especially when we're losing. Would a drum help? Imo yes it would. It may not be popular with everyone but the question is I suppose, would you rather it was quieter with no drum or louder with one? 

 

Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. 

at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes.

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54 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. 

at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes.

Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me.

 

The idea of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong.

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11 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me.

 

The idea deal of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong.

I absolutely hate the England band, awful. Was delighted when they were banned at a recent tournament!!!

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17 minutes ago, Cowshed said:

Like to see City fans getting back to having a bit of originality. Lads in the Atyeo yesterday were attempting we love you.

Not on my watch!! 

There were a couple of attempts but they were soon shouted down. 

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46 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me.

 

The idea of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong.

Rumred, I tip my hat to you sir, you've nailed that.

I can hardly bring myself to watch England games now because of that dreadful dirge.  I as I have a theory that it's so intrinsically linked with us performing badly that it's now a psychological barrier. We'll never lift an international trophy until it goes.

I can feel a letter to Greg Dyke coming on :-)

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55 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me.

 

The idea deal of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong.

Glad I'm not alone!  Must be awful as a player hearing that constantly.

 

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This was a reply to @rednwhiterob, I don't talk to myself that often..  Honest

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1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. 

at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes.

Can't agree that England's away support is the best. Sorry is I sound self defeating but just my opinion.

The Irish 4-0 down and going home is for me one of the great moments in football. They don't care that they're losing, they just want to have some good craic. The whole stadium as one.

And the German Radio Commentary 

 

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25 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said:

Can't agree that England's away support is the best. Sorry is I sound self defeating but just my opinion.

The Irish 4-0 down and going home is for me one of the great moments in football. They don't care that they're losing, they just want to have some good craic. The whole stadium as one.

And the German Radio Commentary 

 

All the British sides are pretty good but we've all got the same fan 'culture' so really we're saying the same thing.

I pick England out of the U.K. because we're consistently excellent, take the biggest numbers to tournaments, all stand, great atmosphere too. The other British nations don't consistently go to enough tournaments to compare really.

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31 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

All the British sides are pretty good but we've all got the same fan 'culture' so really we're saying the same thing.

I pick England out of the U.K. because we're consistently excellent, take the biggest numbers to tournaments, all stand, great atmosphere too. The other British nations don't consistently go to enough tournaments to compare really.

Did England do that against Costa Rica in Brazil? For me the best fans are the ones still singing when you're in the sh*t. Sadly English fan culture rarely does this. 

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