rjt87 Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 there was a drum in the charlton end today, didnt really do much for them as we were too loud, but why have we not got one again? i think it would be brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I am the mole Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 we have got a drum but no drumsticks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 2 minutes ago, I am the mole said: we have got a drum but no drumsticks! Thankgod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 They're good if used well and sporadically. Could have been useful today when the Atyeo was quieter in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 11 minutes ago, rjt87 said: there was a drum in the charlton end today, didnt really do much for them as we were too loud, but why have we not got one again? i think it would be brilliant. Have to be honest - if he'd been within reach of me he'd have been playing it as a trombone with it stuck 2 ft up his rear passage ! Why we allow opposition fans a drum is beyond me - until he gave up it totally disrupted any atmosphere from our side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 That drum was irritating me no end and had I been in the Atyeo I'd have told the bloke so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 On the positive side, the drum was being played well. Unlike the old EastEnd drum, which seemed to be armed by Animal from the Muppets, after a caffeine and Haribo overdose. Gotta say, beyond Harry doing the flag dance in the first half, the Atyeo was fairly quiet from the Dolman today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 A drum? No. Just no. Annoying and makes us look poxy and small time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenn Loyal Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 Why would anyone in there right mind want to take a drum to a football match FFS if your desperate to bang a drum and make a noise join a f===ing band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 13 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: A drum? No. Just no. Annoying and makes us look poxy and small time. Considering almost every stadium on the continent (and the rest of the world for that matter) where atmospheres are significantly better has a drum, please elaborate. Drums are a brilliant tool for generating an atmosphere if it can be played properly. For me it is one more piece in seriously improving Section 82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 52 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Considering almost every stadium on the continent (and the rest of the world for that matter) where atmospheres are significantly better has a drum, please elaborate. Drums are a brilliant tool for generating an atmosphere if it can be played properly. For me it is one more piece in seriously improving Section 82 I'll elaborate. Drums have no place in English football grounds. They are f'ing annoying and just make you look tinpot. Just my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 41 minutes ago, Rednwhiterob said: I'll elaborate. Drums have no place in English football grounds. They are f'ing annoying and just make you look tinpot. Just my view. The problem is that English football grounds resemble libraries. Our culture has to change in my opinion before it becomes like a trip to the theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawey Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 nothing wrong with drums in the right place somewhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: The problem is that English football grounds resemble libraries. Our culture has to change in my opinion before it becomes like a trip to the theatre. English football support culture is the best when it's done well, very often though it just isn't. I don't think we need to copy Turkish fans/French/German as it's different and not in our identity - we just need to do what we're good at but better - safe standing would aid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 21 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: English football support culture is the best when it's done well, very often though it just isn't. I don't think we need to copy Turkish fans/French/German as it's different and not in our identity - we just need to do what we're good at but better - safe standing would aid that. Well the Atyeo is standing yet most people just stand with their arms crossed for 90 minutes. A few crash barriers won't change that. Finally I disagree about British football atmosphere being the best when done well, it just isn't, not anymore. We are now in a situation where many Stadia in the USA and Australia put our atmospheres to shame. The Dutch fans seem most similar to the British in terms of their culture, but are still miles ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Well the Atyeo is standing yet most people just stand with their arms crossed for 90 minutes. A few crash barriers won't change that. Finally I disagree about British football atmosphere being the best when done well, it just isn't, not anymore. We are now in a situation where many Stadia in the USA and Australia put our atmospheres to shame. The Dutch fans seem most similar to the British in terms of their culture, but are still miles ahead. That's interesting, all about opinions I guess. For me, this, a fine example of away support http://youtu.be/yGDySbJXQik Is miles better than this problem is many clubs don't necessarily even want a good atmosphere - associate it with trouble basically. They'd rather punters sit, drink the beer (in the safe plastic cups), eat the food and then leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemmyredjeff Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 21 hours ago, rjt87 said: there was a drum in the charlton end today, didnt really do much for them as we were too loud, but why have we not got one again? i think it would be brilliant. Don't kid yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 4 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's interesting, all about opinions I guess. For me, this, a fine example of away support http://youtu.be/yGDySbJXQik Is miles better than this problem is many clubs don't necessarily even want a good atmosphere - associate it with trouble basically. They'd rather punters sit, drink the beer (in the safe plastic cups), eat the food and then leave. Finding an example of a home crowd doing that though is very rare. And even rarer is finding fans doing that when their team is losing. And even rarer is finding an entire stadium singing as one for more than a minute (pre match songs such as YNWA and Penny Arcade do not count). Then again I accept that there is a problem with British football in general. Anyone who has been to Wembley, Hampden, Cardiff's ground or Windsor Park know that the home fans are like doormice, and although our away support is better, does it really stand out...no. Next time you're at the gate, glance over at the Atyeo (or around you if you are an Atyeo man) and observe the line upon line of people stood in silence with their arms crossed. These people (and for chunks of the game I stand like it too) need motivating, especially when we're losing. Would a drum help? Imo yes it would. It may not be popular with everyone but the question is I suppose, would you rather it was quieter with no drum or louder with one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 6 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Finding an example of a home crowd doing that though is very rare. And even rarer is finding fans doing that when their team is losing. And even rarer is finding an entire stadium singing as one for more than a minute (pre match songs such as YNWA and Penny Arcade do not count). Then again I accept that there is a problem with British football in general. Anyone who has been to Wembley, Hampden, Cardiff's ground or Windsor Park know that the home fans are like doormice, and although our away support is better, does it really stand out...no. Next time you're at the gate, glance over at the Atyeo (or around you if you are an Atyeo man) and observe the line upon line of people stood in silence with their arms crossed. These people (and for chunks of the game I stand like it too) need motivating, especially when we're losing. Would a drum help? Imo yes it would. It may not be popular with everyone but the question is I suppose, would you rather it was quieter with no drum or louder with one? Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 54 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes. Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me. The idea of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 11 minutes ago, RumRed said: Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me. The idea deal of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong. I absolutely hate the England band, awful. Was delighted when they were banned at a recent tournament!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Like to see City fans getting back to having a bit of originality. Lads in the Atyeo yesterday were attempting we love you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 17 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Like to see City fans getting back to having a bit of originality. Lads in the Atyeo yesterday were attempting we love you. Not on my watch!! There were a couple of attempts but they were soon shouted down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 46 minutes ago, RumRed said: Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me. The idea of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong. Rumred, I tip my hat to you sir, you've nailed that. I can hardly bring myself to watch England games now because of that dreadful dirge. I as I have a theory that it's so intrinsically linked with us performing badly that it's now a psychological barrier. We'll never lift an international trophy until it goes. I can feel a letter to Greg Dyke coming on :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 55 minutes ago, RumRed said: Good points but as an England supporter the dreadful dirge of 'the great escape' winds me up, absolute drivel and the reason why a band or a guy with a drum should dictate the feel of a game over the other thousands there is beyond me. The idea deal of a small group of people dictating the atmosphere as they've got a loud instrument into the ground is fundamentally wrong. Glad I'm not alone! Must be awful as a player hearing that constantly. edit This was a reply to @rednwhiterob, I don't talk to myself that often.. Honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 Might as well be doing we love you Harry. Everywhere we go = shit referee seven nation armies sloop b John to everything even Aden flint is jamie vardy at another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Interesting thoughts and I agree with you really. I think though that the England national team has the best away support in the world; that, to me, indicates that the culture of atmosphere creation is still alive in English fans. Other national teams don't come close for me, ok a few Eastern European nations aren't bad. at domestic level though, in general atmosphere is poor with only a few stand out teams. I'd say Bristol City are fairly good as it goes. Can't agree that England's away support is the best. Sorry is I sound self defeating but just my opinion. The Irish 4-0 down and going home is for me one of the great moments in football. They don't care that they're losing, they just want to have some good craic. The whole stadium as one. And the German Radio Commentary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 25 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Can't agree that England's away support is the best. Sorry is I sound self defeating but just my opinion. The Irish 4-0 down and going home is for me one of the great moments in football. They don't care that they're losing, they just want to have some good craic. The whole stadium as one. And the German Radio Commentary All the British sides are pretty good but we've all got the same fan 'culture' so really we're saying the same thing. I pick England out of the U.K. because we're consistently excellent, take the biggest numbers to tournaments, all stand, great atmosphere too. The other British nations don't consistently go to enough tournaments to compare really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 31 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: All the British sides are pretty good but we've all got the same fan 'culture' so really we're saying the same thing. I pick England out of the U.K. because we're consistently excellent, take the biggest numbers to tournaments, all stand, great atmosphere too. The other British nations don't consistently go to enough tournaments to compare really. Did England do that against Costa Rica in Brazil? For me the best fans are the ones still singing when you're in the sh*t. Sadly English fan culture rarely does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 13 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Did England do that against Costa Rica in Brazil? For me the best fans are the ones still singing when you're in the sh*t. Sadly English fan culture rarely does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I stand well a truly corrected. However if we detour back to the domestic game, then I think my point still stands.I can't remember the last time AG stood loud and proud after conceding a goal or losing. Feel free to put me in my place again though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 8 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: I stand well a truly corrected. However if we detour back to the domestic game, then I think my point still stands.I can't remember the last time AG stood loud and proud after conceding a goal or losing. Feel free to put me in my place again though. Last time I can remember may have been West Ham. I think our problem has been that we *expect* to win in league 1 and have many believe we've underachieved this season. Theres a stat that shows us in the top 10 most successful teams in terms of points for the last 20 years - we may even be top 5. I guess that's because we've largely been competitive/playoffs in league 1 with the occasional relegation so consistently done ok. Maybe this breeds a bit of complacency in our support which in turn leads to apathy/moans and boos when we're not doing well. When we got to the playoffs under GJ I remember AG being much more hostile. Warnock, Phil Brown etc all commented on it at the time, that's because we were overachieving and I feel there was more togetherness at the club. There were some great atmospheres in that playoff season, Palace playoff, QPR opening day, Hull and Norwich at home.. Good days. If we were premier league and fighting relegation, AG would be very noisy I'm sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Last time I can remember may have been West Ham. I think our problem has been that we *expect* to win in league 1 and have many believe we've underachieved this season. Theres a stat that shows us in the top 10 most successful teams in terms of points for the last 20 years - we may even be top 5. I guess that's because we've largely been competitive/playoffs in league 1 with the occasional relegation so consistently done ok. Maybe this breeds a bit of complacency in our support which in turn leads to apathy/moans and boos when we're not doing well. When we got to the playoffs under GJ I remember AG being much more hostile. Warnock, Phil Brown etc all commented on it at the time, that's because we were overachieving and I feel there was more togetherness at the club. There were some great atmospheres in that playoff season, Palace playoff, QPR opening day, Hull and Norwich at home.. Good days. If we were premier league and fighting relegation, AG would be very noisy I'm sure of it. Which I believe underlies the problem. The atmosphere under GJ was good because we were winning. We need to find a way to build AG up without the players needing to perform well, hence, imo a drum would help. However it must be played well by someone who is not pissed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 19 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Which I believe underlies the problem. The atmosphere under GJ was good because we were winning. We need to find a way to build AG up without the players needing to perform well, hence, imo a drum would help. However it must be played well by someone who is not pissed up. I remember a chap who had a go on the drum in the EE vs Rotherham when we were promoted, he was genuinely skilled and whipped the crowd right up. Didn't play it constantly but it really aided the atmosphere, he needs to come back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 9 hours ago, Cowshed said: Might as well be doing we love you Harry. Everywhere we go = shit referee seven nation armies sloop b John to everything even Aden flint is jamie vardy at another club. Most songs are not unique. I agree, I hate that most things revolve around sloop, seven nation or guantanamero, it's quite tiresome. But that 'We love you' dirge is just too much and I refuse to sing it. I hope it doesn't catch on here. We are a bit different though and have a lot of songs that are unique to us. Drink up, Blackbird, Cider Drinker etc all get outings regularly. There's not much more out there that is unique to any club, lots of songs are very generic these days. We probably have more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 On 26 December 2015 at 22:23, Kenn Loyal said: Why would anyone in there right mind want to take a drum to a football match FFS if your desperate to bang a drum and make a noise join a f===ing band Maybe a section of the ground for people who have an incessant desire to play an instrument.....could end up with an orchestral accompaniment to the game ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Too much of this wanting to be Crystal Palace. What the Atyeo copycats want is an entire drum kit. Bass drum, snare, tom toms, hi hats set the lot up at the front. Even Palace or whoever it is being imitated this week have not done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 On 12/26/2015 at 22:23, Kenn Loyal said: Why would anyone in there right mind want to take a drum to a football match FFS if your desperate to bang a drum and make a noise join a f===ing band The people behind the idea in your avatars did because going to football and making a noise was a large part of what it was about. An opinion is that the now emmigrated original post 2007 Eastend drummer was very good at what he did. And a shared opinion was that that those who followed were enthusiastic but not as effective. Drum in the Atyeo? Up to them really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Harry you have to be one of otib's most magnanimous posters. Going to have to disagree with the " we're a bit different though". Keep up the good work because it's beats the living granny out of the "Cotterill is a clueless idiot" internet vibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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