Londoner Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 That the moment that Cotterill goes suddenly we seem to be making progress on transfers? The likes of Wiggins, Dack and Lafferty there seems to be clear evidence that we are making some progress on these deals....something that seemed completely oblivious when Cotts was in charge both in the summer and now. im starting to think that perhaps Cotts was to blame for the summer rather than the board, I was one of the many who blamed the board for summer but starting to think that perhaps Cotts got things very very wrong both in the summer and now....could be very wrong though! Perhaps Cotts displayed why he isn't a top championship manager, or why he is viewed negatively by some of the footballing world. either way we seem to making progress off the field and a good result Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Londoner said: That the moment that Cotterill goes suddenly we seem to be making progress on transfers? The likes of Wiggins, Dack and Lafferty there seems to be clear evidence that we are making some progress on these deals....something that seemed completely oblivious when Cotts was in charge both in the summer and now. im starting to think that perhaps Cotts was to blame for the summer rather than the board, I was one of the many who blamed the board for summer but starting to think that perhaps Cotts got things very very wrong both in the summer and now....could be very wrong though! Perhaps Cotts displayed why he isn't a top championship manager, or why he is viewed negatively by some of the footballing world. either way we seem to making progress off the field and a good result Saturday. I don't know but as far as I'm aware listening to his interview about Clough, it was his decision not to pay the wages…so who knows what happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinrobin Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 To be fair, Cotts did say right at the start of January that most of our business will be done at the back end of the transfer window. I think it is mostly coincidental that there appears to be more going on now. still onwards and upwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 minute ago, rockinrobin said: To be fair, Cotts did say right at the start of January that most of our business will be done at the back end of the transfer window. I think it is mostly coincidental that there appears to be more going on now. still onwards and upwards He said that in the summer too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 It's only speculation at the moment. Plus we don't know what deals, if any, would've been tied up had Cotterill remained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinrobin Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Robin101 said: He said that in the summer too! Oh for the what if'sss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 48 minutes ago, Londoner said: That the moment that Cotterill goes suddenly we seem to be making progress on transfers? The likes of Wiggins, Dack and Lafferty there seems to be clear evidence that we are making some progress on these deals....something that seemed completely oblivious when Cotts was in charge both in the summer and now. im starting to think that perhaps Cotts was to blame for the summer rather than the board, I was one of the many who blamed the board for summer but starting to think that perhaps Cotts got things very very wrong both in the summer and now....could be very wrong though! Perhaps Cotts displayed why he isn't a top championship manager, or why he is viewed negatively by some of the footballing world. either way we seem to making progress off the field and a good result Saturday. City's interest in Dack preceded Cotterill's departure and we now know 2 players were lined up to sign for City late last week. That these 2 players then changed their minds on hearing of SC's dismissal indicates they were happy to sign for BCFC under his management, and not prepared to after he'd gone. Looking at it that way Cotterill wasn't the problem, indeed for some he was clearly a big part of the appeal when it came to players contemplating signing for City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: City's interest in Dack preceded Cotterill's departure and we now know 2 players were lined up to sign for City late last week. That these 2 players then changed their minds on hearing of SC's dismissal indicates they were happy to sign for BCFC under his management, and not prepared to after he'd gone. Looking at it that way Cotterill wasn't the problem, indeed for some he was clearly a big part of the appeal when it came to players contemplating signing for City. Do we know for definite that 2 players changed their minds about signing following Cotts' dismissal? Apologies if I've missed this on here. Who were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TETBURY MASSIVE Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 37 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Do we know for definite that 2 players changed their minds about signing following Cotts' dismissal? Apologies if I've missed this on here. Who were they? In 'My Opinion' they were Alex Pearce from Derby and Peter Whittingham from Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Don't get me wrong TM I love the 'my opinion' bits, in fact I called for it in the summer, however I now find myself getting extremely frustrated trying to work out if it is 'my opinion' (but that I have been told by my pretty reliable sources) or 'my opinion' (as in just my opinion)! You could make it clearer for us poor, desperate fools. Maybe a new code? 'my opinion' for the former, and 'my personal opinion' for the latter? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Its all in the presentation.. Cotts was less forthcoming with info. I would have thought it is currently even more difficult to sign a player than it was a week ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 7 hours ago, Robin101 said: He said that in the summer too! And he was right, we made a complete back end of that window as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 2 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: In 'My Opinion' they were Alex Pearce from Derby and Peter Whittingham from Cardiff. Your opinion on whether either of these deals are likely to be salvaged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Back to the orginal post. We will have made progress if anyone signs. At the moment no one has come in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: City's interest in Dack preceded Cotterill's departure and we now know 2 players were lined up to sign for City late last week. That these 2 players then changed their minds on hearing of SC's dismissal indicates they were happy to sign for BCFC under his management, and not prepared to after he'd gone. Looking at it that way Cotterill wasn't the problem, indeed for some he was clearly a big part of the appeal when it came to players contemplating signing for City. But it could just be that they didn't want to sign for a club without a manager…it would unsettle some people surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Momentum gathering that we are soon to sign Alex pearce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawey Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 is that the son of tom pearce the one with the grey mare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 7 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: In 'My Opinion' they were Alex Pearce from Derby and Peter Whittingham from Cardiff. Very interesting, thank you for 'your opinion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Quite clear that it would have been Cotts who has been the issue in not signing players as his personality was that he ran the show and wanted the 'manager' title for good reason. SL is on record as saying wages were not an issue with the two big names that fell through. Cotts on the other hand is on the record that, words to the effect, in his last press conference that he didn't want to break the wage structure within the squad and spoil the close knit and hard work ethic attitude. I suspect he was told that if he wasn't going to sign realistic targets that the new stucture headed by Mark Ashton would help him along with the process to put it politely. Cotts would have objected hence parting of the ways. Pure speculation but it adds up. I don't blame Cotts for that but he should have had a plan B and gone for players who would not have caused that wages issue - promising talent below the Championship and overseas. Not all will come off but a decent % would do and have done .... Albert, Bollasie, Kodjia and some of the players in the current team signed from lower leagues have proven to be at least Championship quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie_Turner Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Snufflelufagus said: Back to the orginal post. We will have made progress if anyone signs. At the moment no one has come in! This exactly ! Everyone seems to be speculating that SC had made no progress....or was it just that he didnt say anything about the progress to the press ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 13 hours ago, Londoner said: That the moment that Cotterill goes suddenly we seem to be making progress on transfers? The likes of Wiggins, Dack and Lafferty there seems to be clear evidence that we are making some progress on these deals....something that seemed completely oblivious when Cotts was in charge both in the summer and now. im starting to think that perhaps Cotts was to blame for the summer rather than the board, I was one of the many who blamed the board for summer but starting to think that perhaps Cotts got things very very wrong both in the summer and now....could be very wrong though! Perhaps Cotts displayed why he isn't a top championship manager, or why he is viewed negatively by some of the footballing world. either way we seem to making progress off the field and a good result Saturday. The progress you speak of have brought in not a single player. Too early to make any fair judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 6 hours ago, citywest30 said: Don't get me wrong TM I love the 'my opinion' bits, in fact I called for it in the summer, however I now find myself getting extremely frustrated trying to work out if it is 'my opinion' (but that I have been told by my pretty reliable sources) or 'my opinion' (as in just my opinion)! You could make it clearer for us poor, desperate fools. Maybe a new code? 'my opinion' for the former, and 'my personal opinion' for the latter? :-) In TM's absence, I can will confirm for him 'my opinion' - without any shadow of doubt. He's got a hell of a strike rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 25 minutes ago, bcfcnick said: Quite clear that it would have been Cotts who has been the issue in not signing players as his personality was that he ran the show and wanted the 'manager' title for good reason. SL is on record as saying wages were not an issue with the two big names that fell through. Cotts on the other hand is on the record that, words to the effect, in his last press conference that he didn't want to break the wage structure within the squad and spoil the close knit and hard work ethic attitude. I suspect he was told that if he wasn't going to sign realistic targets that the new stucture headed by Mark Ashton would help him along with the process to put it politely. Cotts would have objected hence parting of the ways. Pure speculation but it adds up. I don't blame Cotts for that but he should have had a plan B and gone for players who would not have caused that wages issue - promising talent below the Championship and overseas. Not all will come off but a decent % would do and have done .... Albert, Bollasie, Kodjia and some of the players in the current team signed from lower leagues have proven to be at least Championship quality. As others have said; we will never find out the full truth, but I think you are right. SL had made the point on several occasions that he had not refused any of the deals put in front of him. I think Cotts was not keen on any confrontation with existing players over wages, wanting to keep a lid on the supposed "cap". This is, perhaps, a case of the manager being too close to his players. From the day of his arrival, SC repeated a number of times that he would not succumb to the demands of agents, and that he treated the owner's money as his own. This almost became obsessive. The last press conference where once again Cotts made the point "no irons in the fire" was possibly the last straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 12 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: City's interest in Dack preceded Cotterill's departure and we now know 2 players were lined up to sign for City late last week. That these 2 players then changed their minds on hearing of SC's dismissal indicates they were happy to sign for BCFC under his management, and not prepared to after he'd gone. Looking at it that way Cotterill wasn't the problem, indeed for some he was clearly a big part of the appeal when it came to players contemplating signing for City. Nice try Nogbad, however I would suggest that it's completely normal for deals to be stalled when a manager departs...let's see if those deals are resurrected - looks like Pearce may be back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: The progress you speak of have brought in not a single player. Too early to make any fair judgement. I was thinking this, all that may have really changed is that we are not playing our cards so close to our chest as we did under Cotts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Have we even signed anyone yet though? I'd say it's a coincidence but surely something has to happen first.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatchers Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 City put in a bid in the summer for DACK which was turned down by Paul Scully. Kyle Lafferty's position has altered with new faces coming into his club and him wanting and needing game time to get to the Euro's. A lot of players availability can be down to movement in the market or lack of movement. SOD was after El Abd but he wanted to stay at Brighton to fight for a place. We ended up with Dunk on loan, The following season when Cotts wanted a defender mr Burt went in and got El Abd who by then had changed his mind because he was'nt getting games. It's always the case where clubs may be willing to let a player go, but not until they have a replacement in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 10 hours ago, TETBURY MASSIVE said: In 'My Opinion' they were Alex Pearce from Derby and Peter Whittingham from Cardiff. Sounds like one of them's back at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 "In My Opinion", no, totally not coincidental. The events of this week tell you all you need to know. Don't believe for one moment that Mr Ashton was only appointed last Saturday. He's been on board for a few weeks and been making waves in the recruitment area. There was only one blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishponds_Red Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 18 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said: I don't know but as far as I'm aware listening to his interview about Clough, it was his decision not to pay the wages…so who knows what happened! That is also what I took from that interview! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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