Londoner Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man....and what did we get? Looks like Lee Johnson. Almost identical to the Nigel Farage speech in Brussels when the new leader of the EU was announced back in 2010.....we were promised the best, and so far seems that won't happen. For what it's worth I am willing to give LJ a chance if employed. But why oh why would Mark Ashton come out and gloat about us as a club and the top attractions we are and then go for a manager unproven at this level? After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Maybe he is just a complete bell end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, supercidered said: Maybe he is just a complete bell end? Wouldn't surprise me if he is one of these manipulator bullshitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well he was only used to Oxford Utd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 No problem with LJ. I do think right now the club would be well advised to avoid language like 'building for the premiership' and 'surprised by some of the names...' etc however. The only focus right now is staying up, pure and simple. Not the time for pointless comments, even if well meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Londoner said: He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man....and what did we get? Looks like Lee Johnson. Almost identical to the Nigel Farage speech in Brussels when the new leader of the EU was announced back in 2010.....we were promised the best, and so far seems that won't happen. For what it's worth I am willing to give LJ a chance if employed. But why oh why would Mark Ashton come out and gloat about us as a club and the top attractions we are and then go for a manager unproven at this level? After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. Or maybe The Master Bater? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Maybe he is telling the truth.......my problem is when he goes public with these comments it makes the club look like spanners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, shelts said: Maybe he is telling the truth.......my problem is when he goes public with these comments it makes the club look like spanners And us as fans by association. I feel really mugged off by the bloke! Anyway off to the pub for as many Thatchers Katy as I can neck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 SL's version of Alistair Campbell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 the problem he has people can see he's a politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 TBF, he hasn't lied when saying that you'd be surprised by the "quality" of the applicants. Perhaps they were ALL shite ! It's how you perceive that statement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, slartibartfast said: TBF, h hasn't lied when saying that you'd be surprised by the "quality" of the applicants. Perhaps they were ALL shite ! It's how you perceive that statement . Aye. Looks like they filed the list of applicants in the bin and went and poached someone,so i think you may be onto something there slarti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 31 minutes ago, Londoner said: He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man That was until they realised they would only be head coach with no time left to affect the team with transfers (apart from 1 loan) MA decided they would be to strong and therefore had the wrong DNA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Less is more. Think it don't say it. It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all trace of doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 37 minutes ago, Londoner said: He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man....and what did we get? Looks like Lee Johnson. Almost identical to the Nigel Farage speech in Brussels when the new leader of the EU was announced back in 2010.....we were promised the best, and so far seems that won't happen. For what it's worth I am willing to give LJ a chance if employed. But why oh why would Mark Ashton come out and gloat about us as a club and the top attractions we are and then go for a manager unproven at this level? After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. Same old, same old. Ond day the worm will turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 41 minutes ago, Londoner said: After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. I think the key word in your posting is 'assumed'. I don't recall Mark Ashton saying anything about Pearson, Clarke, Monk or (God help us) Sherwood. Maybe he was telling the truth. Maybe they had lots of applications, but maybe they have decided that Lee Johnson is the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB. And why not, given that he is rated as one of the, if not the, most promising young managers in the football league? Pearson was always a non-starter, given that he would have wanted compete control; Clarke has no great record, certainly in recent seasons and won't get better; Sherwood is hopeless; so if it was a choice between Monk and Johnson, then I doubt there was much in it. However, none of this suggests that Mark Ashton has lied at any stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 38 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: TBF, he hasn't lied when saying that you'd be surprised by the "quality" of the applicants. Perhaps they were ALL shite ! It's how you perceive that statement . As I said at the time, not all surprises are pleasant. So did Lee apply, or did we just bin the surprises and lower our expectations and seek out someone who they knew. Always easier to work with a known person, having already done the 'getting to know you' phrase. This isn't anti lee, far from it. But he's already onto a hiding to nothing if he comes and the fans had this bigging up statement of intent from Ashton & Co. I think I'd love it if Lee comes and really stirred the pot by not being the yes man they might think they are getting. But haven't we just done this, progress, what progress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 51 minutes ago, Londoner said: He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man....and what did we get? Looks like Lee Johnson. Almost identical to the Nigel Farage speech in Brussels when the new leader of the EU was announced back in 2010.....we were promised the best, and so far seems that won't happen. For what it's worth I am willing to give LJ a chance if employed. But why oh why would Mark Ashton come out and gloat about us as a club and the top attractions we are and then go for a manager unproven at this level? After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. I'm yet to see a convincing argument for appointing Monk or Sherwood. Neither have done anything of note and have less actual managerial experience than LJ. Are they more qualified than LJ just because they managed premier league clubs badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, RedM said: As I said at the time, not all surprises are pleasant. So did Lee apply, or did we just bin the surprises and lower our expectations and seek out someone who they knew. Always easier to work with a known person, having already done the 'getting to know you' phrase. This isn't anti lee, far from it. But he's already onto a hiding to nothing if he comes and the fans had this bigging up statement of intent from Ashton & Co. I think I'd love it if Lee comes and really stirred the pit by not being the yes man they might think they are getting. But haven't we just done this, progress, what progress? Not sure he can apply, he can only apply if he resigns. We can approach. All a bit a bit crazy as you should be able to apply for any job you like if you are under contract or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, TRL said: Not sure he can apply, he can only apply if he resigns. We can approach. All a bit a bit crazy as you should be able to apply for any job you like if you are under contract or not That's what confused me, we can't talk to him without permission, so he can't have been one of those applicants. So what happened to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I think the key word in your posting is 'assumed'. I don't recall Mark Ashton saying anything about Pearson, Clarke, Monk or (God help us) Sherwood. Maybe he was telling the truth. Maybe they had lots of applications, but maybe they have decided that Lee Johnson is the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB. And why not, given that he is rated as one of the, if not the, most promising young managers in the football league? Pearson was always a non-starter, given that he would have wanted compete control; Clarke has no great record, certainly in recent seasons and won't get better; Sherwood is hopeless; so if it was a choice between Monk and Johnson, then I doubt there was much in it. However, none of this suggests that Mark Ashton has lied at any stage. Rated by who? Was there a most promising young manager in the football league award, voted for by peers and other football dignitories? Or is this you and your mate. Serious question. What mark is he rated off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just now, RedM said: That's what confused me, we can't talk to him without permission, so he can't have been one of those applicants. So what happened to them? exactly, which makes me think the applicants have seen the structure they have to work under and have said do one. Nothing like deflating a big personality manager by taking away half his job! Time will tell if the structure works. I am for it as it breeds continuity, as long as that continuity breeds success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 He never had me fooled. That's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Londoner said: He said we have received a wide range of applicants, he said we would be suprised by the quality of applicant, he said we would do everything in our power to get the right man....and what did we get? Looks like Lee Johnson. Almost identical to the Nigel Farage speech in Brussels when the new leader of the EU was announced back in 2010.....we were promised the best, and so far seems that won't happen. For what it's worth I am willing to give LJ a chance if employed. But why oh why would Mark Ashton come out and gloat about us as a club and the top attractions we are and then go for a manager unproven at this level? After what he said we all assumed the likes of Pearson, Clarke, Monk, Sherwood etc were interested....maybe he was lying, maybe he over estimated the draw, maybe he got it very wrong.....or maybe he was manipulating the fans into think the impossible was possible. Mark Ashton clearly a politician, and a poor one at that. OR just maybe after all the previous negotiations there just was n't a good fit and LJ perhaps is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, shelts said: Maybe he is telling the truth.......my problem is when he goes public with these comments it makes the club look like spanners You have to think about who the message is for - when the club was talking about the prem we were probably talking to potential players. When we say were surprised by some the applicants were probably trying to convince other managers that are on the fence about applying to make them think better managers see something that they haven't and get them to apply. The club release lots of stuff for fans but the stuff that seems too good to be true typically is and I can't believe people put so much faith in the words of what is basically a salesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, supercidered said: Or maybe The Master Bater? Or a third burglar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: I think the key word in your posting is 'assumed'. I don't recall Mark Ashton saying anything about Pearson, Clarke, Monk or (God help us) Sherwood. Maybe he was telling the truth. Maybe they had lots of applications, but maybe they have decided that Lee Johnson is the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB. And why not, given that he is rated as one of the, if not the, most promising young managers in the football league? Pearson was always a non-starter, given that he would have wanted compete control; Clarke has no great record, certainly in recent seasons and won't get better; Sherwood is hopeless; so if it was a choice between Monk and Johnson, then I doubt there was much in it. However, none of this suggests that Mark Ashton has lied at any stage. ANY manager worth their salt will want full control..this is the reason we are so restricted in our choices.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Harry said: I'm yet to see a convincing argument for appointing Monk or Sherwood. Neither have done anything of note and have less actual managerial experience than LJ. Are they more qualified than LJ just because they managed premier league clubs badly? You could say, Lee is pretty sharp and wise beyond his years, by moving on from each job before getting bogged down or making a mess of things. Or, indeed, achieving something notable. He's keeping one step ahead of the sack, or the threat of the sack. How long will he hang around here? We just don't know what he is capable of, good or bad. We might be about to find out exactly what he's got in his locker, as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 34 minutes ago, Pezo said: You have to think about who the message is for - when the club was talking about the prem we were probably talking to potential players. When we say were surprised by some the applicants were probably trying to convince other managers that are on the fence about applying to make them think better managers see something that they haven't and get them to apply. The club release lots of stuff for fans but the stuff that seems too good to be true typically is and I can't believe people put so much faith in the words of what is basically a salesman. Do potential players and managers listen to Geoff Twentyman on RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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