Londoner Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I like everyone would like to see youngsters getting a go, being brought up from the youth sides. But like I and some others said prior to the game, Brighton utilise their wide players Murphy and Knockeart....so why oh why would you play a kid with next to no experience? Dont get me wrong, Little is not the saviour far from it.....but he has experience, and judging by the goals seen on tv Vyner is to blame for the first, third and arguably the second....sorry, but what a massive howler playing the kid. Against MK he did well but made mistakes that weren't punished by a poor side, today he was punished....you must learn. But phase the kid in, LJ should know that. I hope this doesn't destroy his confidence, but you cannot play against a top top side at this level with someone with no experience....A real shame. Also I completely disagree with his idea that this was a "free game", this was for me an important game....the opportunity to virtually seal our survival, I think you got it completely wrong tonight. i don't mean to be the baerer of negativity but I'm very disappointed, today was not the game to play Vyner. Hopefully we can forget about today, but more big games coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 You know we just won 3 on the spin right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 was little fully fit? Oh well, Little and Baker will be back for Sat and we'll be much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Never, ever, say 'free game' to a football team. Law of football management Rule 1. Sure LJ wouldn't have been naive enough to say that. On to the next 'must win' game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 14 minutes ago, Kodjias Sprained Wrist said: You know we just won 3 on the spin right? Londoner had a draft of this post set up ready for our first defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 No win situation for LJ, he keeps a lad in who makes his debut in a winning side just 4 days earlier & we lose & he's wrong for playing him!! He could of brought ML back in & we still lose & he would of been wrong for dropping Vyner!! No matter what, LJ was fighting a losing battle & someone would of been jumping all over him!! Drop Vyner & he would of been accused of ruining Vyner's confidence as how can you drop a youngster who makes his debut in a winning side & you never change a winning side scenario!! Who'd be a football manager or should that be who'd be LJ managing at Bristol City FC? I guess it was only a matter of time before he did something wrong in someone's eyes, I'm just surprised it's taken so long!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 25 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: was little fully fit? Oh well, Little and Baker will be back for Sat and we'll be much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Tipps69 said: No win situation for LJ, he keeps a lad in who makes his debut in a winning side just 4 days earlier & we lose & he's wrong for playing him!! He could of brought ML back in & we still lose & he would of been wrong from dropping Vyner!! No matter what, LJ was fighting a losing battle & someone would of been jumping all over him!! Drop Vyner & he would of been accused of ruining Vyner's confidence as how can you drop a youngster who makes his debut in a winning side & you never change a winning side scenario!! Who'd be a football manager or should that be who'd be LJ managing at Bristol City FC? I guess it was only a matter of time before he did something wrong in someone's eyes, I'm just surprised it's taken so long!! The only difference is Vyner played a big part in their first 3 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, Londoner said: The only difference is Vyner played a big part in their first 3 goals. Big ask for him to play two games in 4 days too, that's what the head coach gets paid for though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Must have been questions over Little's fitness surely? Just a really really bad day at the office when everything went wrong. When the other team score four with three shots on target, well, it is not going to be your night. Need to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and get on with it. Still eight clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 If Little was fit he would've played him I'm sure of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 It was a gamble to play the lad, he would have known that, of course he would, it was a bold move,but he was found out, but that is all part of the learning curve. But when I say the makeshift back four I did fear the worst. Just hope we don't go on one of Lee's less wanted runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Ayling back in training this week.. Him and Baker back would make a massive difference. Tonight was a bad day at the office but the bottom 8 failed to win and we are still 8 points clear of the drop with one less game to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am the mole Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 He said before hand little wasn't fully fit unless you thinking about putting Agard there vyner was the logical choice to start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 My post wasn't a dig at the lad, far from it....young and learning his trade. Like others have said maybe little was still injured, but personally 2 games in 4 days against Murphy and Knockeart was going to be a nightmare waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 LJ just said on Radio Bristol that Little wasn't fully fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 13 minutes ago, Londoner said: The only difference is Vyner played a big part in their first 3 goals. And how was LJ to know that? What's to say ML wouldn't of made the same mistakes along with the own goal he scored once he actually got on the pitch? So your argument doesn't stand because at least Vyner didn't actually put one into his own net which ML managed to do in less time on the pitch. Hindsight is a wonderful thing & as I said, LJ was already on a loser before the game even kicked off!! Sadly some people just can't wait to beat him with that stick though, can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Have to say I was gobsmacked when Vyner appeared for the second half, bless him but he was so far off the pace it was like we had 10 men. Really poor decision by LJ to keep him on as long as he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 9 minutes ago, eardun said: LJ just said on Radio Bristol that Little wasn't fully fit Which is fairly obvious but had the score been 0-0 at HT you keep the kid on; if you are 2 down and he was at fault, arguably, for both the first two goals is it correct to risk him for the first 15 or so minutes of the second half as well? I think on balance he should have stayed in the dressing room at the end of the first 45. And thats not power of hindsight because you already have enough evidence not least you shield the lad from a shattering of confidence as the OP says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 LJ said in interview after, question marks remained over Little's fitness, heel and groin, so risk him or stick with Vyner who was part of a winning side keeping a clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 1 minute ago, hodge said: LJ said in interview after, question marks remained over Little's fitness, heel and groin, so risk him or stick with Vyner who was part of a winning side keeping a clean sheet. He also said that he doesn't make excuses for modern day footballers because modern footballers will take and believe those excuses, I thought this was not only funny but absolutely true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Think we may hear a few more hard truths from him being a recently retired player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 3 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: And how was LJ to know that? What's to say ML wouldn't of made the same mistakes along with the own goal he scored once he actually got on the pitch? So your argument doesn't stand because at least Vyner didn't actually put one into his own net which ML managed to do in less time on the pitch. Hindsight is a wonderful thing & as I said, LJ was already on a loser before the game even kicked off!! Sadly some people just can't wait to beat him with that stick though, can they? Well he is the head coach so you could argue it is his job to know that, or at least try and predict it. Brighton play down their wings, and they are very strong - putting a young lad there it's not too hard to predict he would struggle. I think Little although not the answer long term is reasonably solid, and I think he did a lot better down that side than Vyner after he came on, the weird own goal is irrelivent really. I see Little was injured but I was still very surprised Vyner came back out at the first half - not just due to his performance, but also for the confidence of the lad. I'm sure all pros have had games like that though and if he's going to make it hopefully he will have learnt more from that hour than he has in a long time, and come back better for it. People are not "bashing" LJ because they can't wait to, they seem fair enough in this thread anyway, they are raising a legitimate point - this is a discussion forum after all... Hopefully Little and Baker will be back for the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 6 minutes ago, Londoner said: My post wasn't a dig at the lad, far from it....young and learning his trade. Like others have said maybe little was still injured, but personally 2 games in 4 days against Murphy and Knockeart was going to be a nightmare waiting to happen. The dig seemed more at LJ rather than ZV but what choice was LJ left with? As I said, he was in a no win situation, ZV was clearly LJ's best option available to him & having done okay on Saturday he clearly felt that he could cope with it again but with NB missing & AP also having to come in to the back four against a team 4th in the table it was hardly ideal. I also got my updates from Sky TV & from the updates that were given it hardly sounded like we allowed Brighton a tonne of chances & others have alluded too, it was just a bad day at the office, we're in no worse a position than we were at the start of the game. LJ & ZV will have both learnt a lot from this game & lets hope that we have other options available to us come Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Hate to single out the young lad but to say he had a shocker is being kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagon Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I don't think we had alot of choice given the injuries other than perhaps I think Wagstaff could have possibly done a job there but it could have equally been disastrous, you can never know. The whole team were not with it though, with some of that down to a positionally organised Brighton team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Hopefully they will have recorded the game just for the horror show factor. Their goals, in my opinion, came from nothing. We just seemed to be the congenial host who invited them to a good meal. We had good spells in the game but still don't take our chances. Brighton, well we got a footballing lesson. Just got to hope it's a lesson learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Don't underestimate the absence of Baker either. Ayling and Baker fit again would make a massive difference to the current line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Given the rather thin nature of the squad it seemed LJ had no real option because of Little's fitness. Don't think LJ did a huge amount wrong tonight. Individual lapses and a huge difference in fitness between the two teams was how I saw it. Oddly enough that was the first time all season that I thought we looked noticeably less fit than an opposition team, and it comes after LJ made a comment about 'once we get up to fitness', or words to that affect after the game on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted February 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 20 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: And how was LJ to know that? What's to say ML wouldn't of made the same mistakes along with the own goal he scored once he actually got on the pitch? So your argument doesn't stand because at least Vyner didn't actually put one into his own net which ML managed to do in less time on the pitch. Hindsight is a wonderful thing & as I said, LJ was already on a loser before the game even kicked off!! Sadly some people just can't wait to beat him with that stick though, can they? Sorry but the proof is in the performance, responsible for 3 goals today and I, like many, were worried the moment the team sheets were read out? Why? Cos the play through the wings. This wasn't against the likes of Fulham, Ipswich, Leeds etc....if there is one team in this league that will utilise the wide men time and time again it's Brighton, LJ SHOULD of known that and realised we need to be as solid our wide as possible. I have no issue with LJ on the whole, but I thought this was a very basic error....at MK he made mistakes that weren't punished....I personally didn't think he was quite as solid as was made out....today he was battered. If little was crocked fair enough, the evidence of coming on was that he wasn't....to start with Vyner, against Brighton always had the potential to be a disaster, people were saying it before the game!!! And so it proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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