where's the joy Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 so how would our season have gone with over 20 goals from our target man? the sliding doors of life, burnley going up probably with a spirit and energy we can envy and try to emulate next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, where's the joy said: so how would our season have gone with over 20 goals from our target man? the sliding doors of life, burnley going up probably with a spirit and energy we can envy and try to emulate next year I don't know how much it would've altered things IF we'd have signed Andre Gray, a few more goals certainly but I don't for one second think we would've been in Burnley's position. Undoubtably though there's been plenty of games where we have seemed toothless going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Probably just inside the top 10, we'd have gotten more points from his goals, therefore Cotterill wouldn't have been sacked, meaning we'd still be playing 532 and costing us points here and there, however we're only 9 points off Preston in 10th as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 I wouldn't say any more than 2 or 3 places higher. Everything would have gone the same way, I think Steve leaving was almost written, as much as I loved the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Honestly? I doubt it would have made a difference. Unless signing him had been the catalyst to other quality joining as well. Simply to add Gray into the team under Cotterill during the first half of the season; leaky formation, no real midfield creativity = no impact. However, add a player like him to the team now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 And if my Uncle had boobs he'd be my Auntie, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodogs Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: And if my Uncle had boobs he'd be my Auntie, etc... Come and live in the forest of dean we're all related apparently.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 We would be 9 mill down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Our biggest problem has been shipping goals, we would have scored a few more definitely but o the whole I don't think it would have made much of a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted April 15, 2016 Report Share Posted April 15, 2016 Gray has scored 23 of Burnley's 64 goals (36%) and played 3115 minutes of football. Kodjia has scored 15 of our 45 goals (33%) and played 3112 minutes of football. Kodjia @ £2.5m = £0.17 per goal Gray @ £9m = £0.39 per goal. So Kodjia is far better value. Given our respective league positions, how much better Burnley are than us and how many more chances they would create over the season, I'd think you could reasonably suggest that Gray wouldn't necessarily have done any better here than Kodjia - and therefore our season might not have panned out any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 This is by bar the most ridiculous thread I've ever read....maybe not...but one man doesn't make a team. You might as well say, where would we be if Ronaldo or Messi was playing for us...you have to have players of similar ability or on the same wave length in the team as well. As for Burnley...with respect...the average fan has no idea as to how good their 'set up is'....way better than many teams above them or considered bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: We would be 9 mill down... And guaranteed 13 mill back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 8 hours ago, twodogs said: Come and live in the forest of dean we're all related apparently.... Is that you Mum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 5 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: And guaranteed 13 mill back That's not guaranteed though unless there is some legitimate speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 9 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: And if my Uncle had boobs he'd be my Auntie, etc... Lots of men seem to have them these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: Lots of men seem to have them these days. cue Lee Tomlin thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 7 hours ago, spudski said: This is by bar the most ridiculous thread I've ever read....maybe not...but one man doesn't make a team. You might as well say, where would we be if Ronaldo or Messi was playing for us...you have to have players of similar ability or on the same wave length in the team as well. As for Burnley...with respect...the average fan has no idea as to how good their 'set up is'....way better than many teams above them or considered bigger. At Championship level, I think Ronaldo or Messi probably would be a one-man team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 10 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: At Championship level, I think Ronaldo or Messi probably would be a one-man team what happens if he gets sent off?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Is that you Mum? No that's your Uncle Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 What about all if those players seen in the Avon Gorge Hotel. If we'd been able to sign them we would be challenging Leicester for the Premiership title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 A class act and far better than anything we have however our main problem was the formation under Cotts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 1 hour ago, archie andrews said: what happens if he gets sent off?............ The likes of Stephen Pearson or Richard Foster would have to fill in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I think Fulham's season might give us some useful indications what this season might've been like, had we bought AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 If he'd signed for us I think he would have regretted not signing for Burnley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 9 hours ago, spudski said: As for Burnley...with respect...the average fan has no idea as to how good their 'set up is'.... ...we "average" fans discussed this very thing on here a couple of weeks ago, spud, when Burnley announced a record £30m profit on the 31st March. I think GrahamC started the thread. But thanks anyway for your informed revelation about Burnley's set up that we have "no idea" about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: ...we "average" fans discussed this very thing on here a couple of weeks ago, spud, when Burnley announced a record £30m profit on the 31st March. I think GrahamC started the thread. But thanks anyway for your informed revelation about Burnley's set up that we have "no idea" about. Don't go over overestimating your knowledge JD...I'd have you no where near the 'average' fan level...way below Graham C on the other hand knows his onions :-) But thanks for pointing that out...like Forest used to be famous...you used to be funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, spudski said: Don't go over overestimating your knowledge JD...I'd have you no where near the 'average' fan level...way below Graham C on the other hand knows his onions :-) But thanks for pointing that out...like Forest used to be famous...you used to be funny Just tell us something we don't frickin' know, will you?! Like, is Tomlin likely to sign! And get your taste buds checked, spud, or try spending a bit more and buying vanilla extract, not essence. Or buy the pods themselves, plenty of flavour in them (I might not know footbalk, but I know my onions when it comes to vanilla). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 I haven't been on their forum for a while, but believe it or not there were quite a few on there missing about how many chances he needs to convert. One club's forum appears to be no different to another!!! Have to say though, that the stuff I've seen of him at the Gate for Brentford and Burnley, plus on to, showed he is a very decent forward. He would've made us a better side, but not by much. At £9m, I think that was too much, and our gamble of €3m on JK was a good one in retrospect. As others have said, a better 'defensive' unit (that includes the midfield too) and better depth of squad would've helped. I'm not anti-352 like a lot on here, but in The Championship we needed slightly different players. 352 has a lot going for it, but it really is position by position, specialists only, certainly the back 5 and holding midfielder. If Gray had scored 15/16 for us and we were 18/19/20th, at £9m, we would be moaning big-time, and saying we should have spread that money on 3/4/5 players. The bit we didn't do was add those 2/3/4 players to Kodjia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 11 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: Gray has scored 23 of Burnley's 64 goals (36%) and played 3115 minutes of football. Kodjia has scored 15 of our 45 goals (33%) and played 3112 minutes of football. Kodjia @ £2.5m = £0.17 per goal Gray @ £9m = £0.39 per goal. So Kodjia is far better value. Given our respective league positions, how much better Burnley are than us and how many more chances they would create over the season, I'd think you could reasonably suggest that Gray wouldn't necessarily have done any better here than Kodjia - and therefore our season might not have panned out any better. An accountant's answer - knows the price of everything and the value of nothing This is one of the those questions that can't be answered even with 20/20 hindsight It's the big IF question... IF only, What IF, IF only I'd picked the right numbers in the Euro millions... Personally, I try not to engage in the IF questions I try to learn from my mistakes and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted April 16, 2016 Report Share Posted April 16, 2016 Interesting scenario. If we had kodjia and gray that would be pretty potent, and would probably cause problems in the premier league, but we were still conceding way too many goals. Would have been fun to watch though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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