Bs4Red Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Interesting to see we are one of the top paying clubs to agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 No. 5 out of 24 suggests to me we are paying more than we should be. Naivety by those doling the negotiations? Maybe we can look forward to more robust dealings from the club's perspective under Mr.Ashton et al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 You can thank Kemari and Lee Tomlin's agent for a fair wedge of that. I believe, if the same as it was when he was at P'Boro, Tomlin's is one of his closest mates. Kemari the agency firm of Kod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Interesting that the 3 teams leading the Championship ( Boro, Burnley, Brighton) all spent less on Agents fees than us......even though all 3 made some big signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Perhaps a result of the number of loans. Some agents look out for themselves as much as/more than their players. We are 5 out of 24, but 4 or 5 other clubs paid between 300 and 400k so in the scheme of things we didn't pay much more than 9th and it looks less bad then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 22, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Is this after the summer fiasco? Looks like we just paid the asking price, rather than pushing the negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbcfc Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Just off the top of my head we've had 14 signings this year which translates to just over 25k a signing - apart from Rotherham I don't think many other clubs will have had that number of signings this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Numerous premier league loans will do that, Baker, Odewmingie, Tomlin, Moore, Hamer etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Scouting working fine as always. As for the club in general the potential for improvement is immense. If it's possible to screw it we are dead certain to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 52 minutes ago, mcbcfc said: Just off the top of my head we've had 14 signings this year which translates to just over 25k a signing - apart from Rotherham I don't think many other clubs will have had that number of signings this year. Yeah I don't think it's too much of an issue to be honest. Any multimillion pound business has recruitment costs, and any highly paid professional contractor has representation - it's business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted April 22, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Look at the time period its for. The £371k is for just 4 transfers: Golbourne, Tomlin, Pearce & O'Donnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ian M said: Look at the time period its for. The £371k is for just 4 transfers: Golbourne, Tomlin, Pearce & O'Donnell. Nope. Don't forget deals for Gladwin, Bennett and Garita. Also, it only says that time period is when payments were made, not necessarily when deals were done. Could well be inclusive of ongoing payments for Baker, or installments following the Kodjia deal. Possibly even delayed payments from the Robinson and Fredericks fiascos. May even include expenses (sweeteners) to agents for sending players out, so could be looking at the El-Abd deal. Odemwinge, Matthews and Burns deals do fall outside the time period though. My guess would be the premier league loan deals will command hefty agents fees...so, Baker, Tomlin, Bennett will account for hefty amounts of the total sum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, headhunter said: No. 5 out of 24 suggests to me we are paying more than we should be. Naivety by those doling the negotiations? Maybe we can look forward to more robust dealings from the club's perspective under Mr.Ashton et al? Also , we were in a very weak position. Desperately short of players and needing quality as well as quantity, the club could be held to ransom if they were really determined to stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 2 hours ago, CodeRed said: Interesting that the 3 teams leading the Championship ( Boro, Burnley, Brighton) all spent less on Agents fees than us......even though all 3 made some big signings. Easier for them to get the players to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 We should pay in hash tags rather than pound sterling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Yeah I don't think it's too much of an issue to be honest. Any multimillion pound business has recruitment costs, and any highly paid professional contractor has representation - it's business That would be Spud's view certainly. Am still waiting for him to come on this thread and tell us what a great job agents do! My view is that they are vampire-leeches sucking the lifeblood from clubs, pushing costs sky high and responsible in part for pricing football beyond the reach of millions of ordinary people, which in turn has spawned a generation of plastic Prem fans who have only ever watched the game on telly. To my mind, they are - like estate agents and car salesmen - completely unnecessary. Incidentally, I'm a relatively highly paid professional contractor and I negotiate my own contracts and set my own rates. As does everyone else in the industry I work in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: That would be Spud's view certainly. Am still waiting for him to come on this thread and tell us what a great job agents do! My view is that they are vampire-leeches sucking the lifeblood from clubs, pushing costs sky high and responsible in part for pricing football beyond the reach of millions of ordinary people, which in turn has spawned a generation of plastic Prem fans who have only ever watched the game on telly. To my mind, they are - like estate agents and car salesmen - completely unnecessary. Incidentally, I'm a relatively highly paid professional contractor and I negotiate my own contracts and set my own rates. As does everyone else in the industry I work in. Not at all RR...I think the whole situation with Agents needs to be addressed. Just because I know Agents, it doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. Of course they have a place in football...as Contracts with footballers are so complicated these days. The majority of footballers wouldn't have a clue where to start...and trust me, Football clubs would try to screw every penny they could out of a player. So it cuts both ways. However...Football is big business now, it's become a necessary evil...Clubs are just as bad as Agents for sharking. From what I've observed there is still an old boys type ethic at a lot of clubs...you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. At least these fees are going through the books. Agents get it in the neck...but there are far worse out there...hence why so many 'Interesting' people own football clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, spudski said: Not at all RR...I think the whole situation with Agents needs to be addressed. Just because I know Agents, it doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. Of course they have a place in football...as Contracts with footballers are so complicated these days. The majority of footballers wouldn't have a clue where to start...and trust me, Football clubs would try to screw every penny they could out of a player. So it cuts both ways. However...Football is big business now, it's become a necessary evil...Clubs are just as bad as Agents for sharking. From what I've observed there is still an old boys type ethic at a lot of clubs...you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. At least these fees are going through the books. Agents get it in the neck...but there are far worse out there...hence why so many 'Interesting' people own football clubs. Any player with a single brain cell should appoint a law firm instead of a agent with ½ a brain cell. The contracts are total nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Ian M said: Look at the time period its for. The £371k is for just 4 transfers: Golbourne, Tomlin, Pearce & O'Donnell. The deals covered are:- 08/10/15 Elliott Bennett 09/10/15 Simon Cox 12/10/15 Lloyd Kelly 07/01/16 Paul Garita 11/01/16 Richard O'Donnell 19/01/16 Alex Pearce 21/01/16 Benjamin Gladwin 27/01/16 Lee Tomlin 28/01/16 Scott Golbourne 29/01/16 Aden Baldwin 01/02/16 Richard O'Donnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: That would be Spud's view certainly. Am still waiting for him to come on this thread and tell us what a great job agents do! My view is that they are vampire-leeches sucking the lifeblood from clubs, pushing costs sky high and responsible in part for pricing football beyond the reach of millions of ordinary people, which in turn has spawned a generation of plastic Prem fans who have only ever watched the game on telly. To my mind, they are - like estate agents and car salesmen - completely unnecessary. Incidentally, I'm a relatively highly paid professional contractor and I negotiate my own contracts and set my own rates. As does everyone else in the industry I work in. Out of interest how do you/would you go about buying or selling what I imagine for many would be their most valuable asset - their home? Not that I'm an estate agent mind you. Just mildly interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 42 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Any player with a single brain cell should appoint a law firm instead of a agent with ½ a brain cell. The contracts are total nuts. A legal advisor might well get them a secure contract, bit you wouldn't expect a legal professional to negotiate the terms of a transfer, undertake additional marketing opportunities for players or assist clubs trying to move players on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Someone with better mental arithmetic will correct me, but whilst we are high on the highest spenders seems to me we would be bang average median wise. Unwise to how payments are recognised, could these include staged payments to agents which I am aware takes place (ie payments in respect of a deal last year which was deferred)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 As a matter of interest, in the same time frame Man U sent £10 MILLION on agents fees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 12 minutes ago, 29AR said: Someone with better mental arithmetic will correct me, but whilst we are high on the highest spenders seems to me we would be bang average median wise. Unwise to how payments are recognised, could these include staged payments to agents which I am aware takes place (ie payments in respect of a deal last year which was deferred)? Yes. These are payments made in the period. They may have been contracted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, downendcity said: As a matter of interest, in the same time frame Man U sent £10 MILLION on agents fees! And QPR spent a tenth of that FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 the gas spent £5,588. That's a huge amount to pay to an assistant at B&Q for the transfer in of some plastic chairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: That would be Spud's view certainly. Am still waiting for him to come on this thread and tell us what a great job agents do! My view is that they are vampire-leeches sucking the lifeblood from clubs, pushing costs sky high and responsible in part for pricing football beyond the reach of millions of ordinary people, which in turn has spawned a generation of plastic Prem fans who have only ever watched the game on telly. To my mind, they are - like estate agents and car salesmen - completely unnecessary. Incidentally, I'm a relatively highly paid professional contractor and I negotiate my own contracts and set my own rates. As does everyone else in the industry I work in. If I was a professional footballer with let's be honest minimal education I would instruct a professions to negotiate what might be a million pound contract. Every big business will use agents for their staffing I work for manpower we do it every day. It's our job to put professionals in front of employers, the cost of that service is arguable but common place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 4 hours ago, BigAlToby&Liam said: Out of interest how do you/would you go about buying or selling what I imagine for many would be their most valuable asset - their home? Not that I'm an estate agent mind you. Just mildly interested. Er, after my divorce we sold the family home without any recourse to estate agents. Saved us at least four grand. I also undertook moat of the conveyancing in the sale the current Mrs Robbo undertook. Saved us at least a grand. I had to pay some clown £85 to witness the transaction, biut the vast majority is easier than the legal profession will let on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 3 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: If I was a professional footballer with let's be honest minimal education I would instruct a professions to negotiate what might be a million pound contract. Every big business will use agents for their staffing I work for manpower we do it every day. It's our job to put professionals in front of employers, the cost of that service is arguable but common place. That's true Wolf, but the dark ages of "thick" footballers unable to comprehend basic contracts is in the past. Young guys who sign for clubs these days get an expensive private education thrown int. Let's face it clubs have to, as modern parents wouldn't accept their teens signing up to the uncertain future of professional sport without a fall-back position. Our academy guys go to Clifton College and virtually all tale A levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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