Super Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Malago said: Don't forget Don Revie, who was crooked as well as being useless. Never could stand Taylor's whining voice, plus he substituted Lineker and bought on Alan Smith in that vital Euro game in Swdden, possibly the most ridiculous decision in English football history. Keegan was a useless manager but IMO is forgiven because as a player along with Brooking he carried the England through dismal times. My vote goes to Sven, an overpaid clown, who ruined a team of talented players who should have done much better. He got us to 3 quarter finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneCity Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hodgson - there is no contest. 2014 was a disaster. They HAD to sack him then, but the FA bottled it, gave him another chance. WTF did they do that for, and stay with an inept manager with a terrible track record? It was awful under Hodgson in Brazil, we hit the plateau back then, but the FA failed to see it and failed to change it. Roy failed to do the brave thing, the right thing, and step down. He stayed probably because he saw the £££ signs. In those two years of planning, analysis, training, preparation and budget, what have we achieved? Sure, we beat Slavakistan or whatever tinpot backwater team in the qualifiers. Super duper. But it's all been for nothing. When the personnel fails, and the formula fails, you change both of them. If you do not... Well, small wonder we have crashed out yet again. Two bloody years wasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Dazzler Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Based on what? In terms of win % he's got a better record than Bobby Robson, Kevin Keegan, Steve McClaren, Terry Venables & Graham Taylor - now I don't particularly think he's been brill for us but you say he's 100% the worst England manager ever - so what does that make the rest of the list? That just reminded me how shocking Bobby Robson was up to and including the 1988 Euros when we lost all 3 group games. He managed to escape the sack god knows how, and then got us to the semi's in WC 1990 where he did well, mainly due to his wonderful idea to stick Mark Wright in as sweeper in the 2nd game against Holland (+ decent contributions from Gazza and Lineker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 McClaren, Taylor and are behind Hodgson for me. Hodgson's results are appalling but, dire as last night and the first half v Wales were, I actually thought we played better against Russia and Slovakia than in a lot of the tournament games that Eriksson won (and certainly better than we did under Capello in 2010). Ultimately we have not been good enough in tournaments under Hodgson but I'd still only put him fourth worst... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 2 hours ago, I am the mole said: Kevin Keenan was so bad everyone's forgot he managed us! keegan People have also forgotten Don Revie. As well as being a poor England manager, he secretly negotiated a contract with the United Arab Emitates, whilst still employed by the FA. After walking out from the England job to work for the UAE, the FA suspended from football for ten years (charged with bringing the game into disrepute) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Easier to say what good managers we ever had after Ramsey, Robson got lucky in '90 when having to change the system due to player pressure but I suppose he rates as the best, quicker we get a foreign manager in the better, looking at all the English names being shouted makes me shudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hodgson has now bottled a press conference this afternoon. Gutless****. Seems he is doing it now been told by the FA I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I can't excuse some of Taylor's picks.. Geoff Thomas, Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton etc but he did have some very bad luck. Shearer and Gazza suffered really bad injuries during his tenure and that debacle away against Holland when Koeman should have been sent off before he flicked one over Seaman to score the winner. I did actually feel for him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, Cunnyfunt said: I can't excuse some of Taylor's picks.. Geoff Thomas, Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton etc but he did have some very bad luck. Shearer and Gazza suffered really bad injuries during his tenure and that debacle away against Holland when Koeman should have been sent off before he flicked one over Seaman to score the winner. I did actually feel for him then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Cunnyfunt said: I can't excuse some of Taylor's picks.. Geoff Thomas, Carlton Palmer, Andy Sinton etc but he did have some very bad luck. Shearer and Gazza suffered really bad injuries during his tenure and that debacle away against Holland when Koeman should have been sent off before he flicked one over Seaman to score the winner. I did actually feel for him then. Cloggers all ! Geoff Thomas. Remember that goal attempt v France ? Pretty sure it went wide for a throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigratedRobin Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think the problem with Hodgson is he doesn't exude any confidence! He always sounds a bit worried or concerned about something and I think this energy fed into the players and the camp. The next manager must be in the mourinho mould, but obviously not Mourinho himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 For those of you too young, too old or too traumatised to remember, these are the players given a 1st cap under Graham Taylor: Name Date of birth Caps Goals First cap Opponent Most recent cap Opponent Profile Stuart Ripley 1967-11-20 2 0 1993-11-17 San Marino 1997-09-10 Moldova [887] Tim Flowers 1967-02-03 11 0 1993-06-13 Brazil 1998-05-27 Morocco [394] Teddy Sheringham 1966-04-02 51 11 1993-05-29 Poland 2002-06-21 Brazil [956] Les Ferdinand 1966-12-08 17 5 1993-02-17 San Marino 1995-05-29 Belgium [386] David Bardsley 1964-09-11 2 0 1992-09-09 Spain 1993-05-29 Poland [66] Paul Ince 1967-10-21 53 2 1992-09-09 Spain 2000-06-20 Romania [578] David White 1967-10-30 1 0 1992-09-09 Spain 1992-09-09 Spain [1,149] Keith Curle 1963-11-14 3 0 1992-04-29 CIS 1992-06-11 Denmark [313] Nigel Martyn 1966-08-11 23 0 1992-04-29 CIS 2002-05-26 Cameroon [700] Carlton Palmer 1965-12-05 18 1 1992-04-29 CIS 1993-10-13 Netherlands [803] Rob Jones 1971-11-04 8 0 1992-02-19 France 1995-03-29 Uruguay [608] Martin Keown 1966-07-24 43 2 1992-02-19 France 2002-05-26 Cameroon [622] Alan Shearer 1970-08-13 63 30 1992-02-19 France 2000-06-20 Romania [950] Tony Daley 1967-10-18 7 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1992-06-17 Sweden [319] Andy Gray 1964-02-22 1 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1991-11-13 Poland [449] Andy Sinton 1966-03-19 12 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1993-11-17 San Marino [967] Paul Merson 1968-03-20 21 3 1991-09-11 Germany 1998-11-18 Czech Republic [729] Paul Stewart 1964-10-07 3 0 1991-09-11 Germany 1992-04-29 CIS [1,022] Gary Charles 1970-04-13 2 0 1991-06-08 New Zealand 1991-06-12 Malaysia [233] Earl Barrett 1967-04-28 3 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1993-06-19 Germany [80] Brian Deane 1968-02-07 3 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1992-09-09 Spain [331] Mark Walters 1964-06-02 1 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1991-06-03 New Zealand [1,118] David Hirst 1967-12-07 3 1 1991-06-01 Australia 1992-02-19 France [531] John Salako 1969-02-11 5 0 1991-06-01 Australia 1991-09-11 Germany [922] David Batty 1968-12-02 42 0 1991-05-21 USSR 1999-09-08 Poland [92] Geoff Thomas 1964-08-05 9 0 1991-05-01 Turkey 1992-02-19 France [1,057] Dennis Wise 1966-12-16 21 1 1991-05-01 Turkey 2000-10-11 Finland [1,183] Lee Sharpe 1971-05-27 8 0 1991-03-27 Republic of Ireland 1993-10-13 Netherlands [944] Ian Wright 1963-11-03 33 9 1991-02-06 Cameroon 1998-11-18 Czech Republic [1,203] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 19 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: For those of you too young, too old or too traumatised to remember, these are the players given a 1st cap under Graham Taylor: Name Date of birth Caps Goals First cap Opponent Most recent cap Opponent Profile Stuart Ripley 1967-11-20 2 0 1993-11-17 San Marino 1997-09-10 Moldova [887] Tim Flowers 1967-02-03 11 0 1993-06-13 Brazil 1998-05-27 Morocco [394] Teddy Sheringham 1966-04-02 51 11 1993-05-29 Poland 2002-06-21 Brazil [956] Les Ferdinand 1966-12-08 17 5 1993-02-17 San Marino 1995-05-29 Belgium [386] David Bardsley 1964-09-11 2 0 1992-09-09 Spain 1993-05-29 Poland [66] Paul Ince 1967-10-21 53 2 1992-09-09 Spain 2000-06-20 Romania [578] David White 1967-10-30 1 0 1992-09-09 Spain 1992-09-09 Spain [1,149] Keith Curle 1963-11-14 3 0 1992-04-29 CIS 1992-06-11 Denmark [313] Nigel Martyn 1966-08-11 23 0 1992-04-29 CIS 2002-05-26 Cameroon [700] Carlton Palmer 1965-12-05 18 1 1992-04-29 CIS 1993-10-13 Netherlands [803] Rob Jones 1971-11-04 8 0 1992-02-19 France 1995-03-29 Uruguay [608] Martin Keown 1966-07-24 43 2 1992-02-19 France 2002-05-26 Cameroon [622] Alan Shearer 1970-08-13 63 30 1992-02-19 France 2000-06-20 Romania [950] Tony Daley 1967-10-18 7 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1992-06-17 Sweden [319] Andy Gray 1964-02-22 1 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1991-11-13 Poland [449] Andy Sinton 1966-03-19 12 0 1991-11-13 Poland 1993-11-17 San Marino [967] Paul Merson 1968-03-20 21 3 1991-09-11 Germany 1998-11-18 Czech Republic [729] Paul Stewart 1964-10-07 3 0 1991-09-11 Germany 1992-04-29 CIS [1,022] Gary Charles 1970-04-13 2 0 1991-06-08 New Zealand 1991-06-12 Malaysia [233] Earl Barrett 1967-04-28 3 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1993-06-19 Germany [80] Brian Deane 1968-02-07 3 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1992-09-09 Spain [331] Mark Walters 1964-06-02 1 0 1991-06-03 New Zealand 1991-06-03 New Zealand [1,118] David Hirst 1967-12-07 3 1 1991-06-01 Australia 1992-02-19 France [531] John Salako 1969-02-11 5 0 1991-06-01 Australia 1991-09-11 Germany [922] David Batty 1968-12-02 42 0 1991-05-21 USSR 1999-09-08 Poland [92] Geoff Thomas 1964-08-05 9 0 1991-05-01 Turkey 1992-02-19 France [1,057] Dennis Wise 1966-12-16 21 1 1991-05-01 Turkey 2000-10-11 Finland [1,183] Lee Sharpe 1971-05-27 8 0 1991-03-27 Republic of Ireland 1993-10-13 Netherlands [944] Ian Wright 1963-11-03 33 9 1991-02-06 Cameroon 1998-11-18 Czech Republic [1,203] Quite a mixed bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I do not understand how a 68 year old manager with experience of management in a number of different countries, and coaching and managing with a succession of professional football teams…………..can be so tactically inept? Just basics, such as formations, and marking at set pieces were ignored and left to chance. For this alone I nominate him as Englands worst ever manager, he has no excuses and should be ashamed to pick up his salary. Apart from the fact that he must have been sleeping with Raheem Sterling, because how else could that one trick pony have ever been chosen to play international football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hodgson. Unbalanced squad selection with undroppables, resting players in key match, inept game management, lack of motivational nouse. Clueless, totally clueless. Oh, for Townsend and Carroll in the last two matches. The entire team just disappeared last night. Shocking stuff, not one leader on the pitch. I genuinely think there must either have been an illness or mutiny in the camp. Walker could hardly make it over the half way line, Sturridge was even more sulky than usual, Kane went awol and Ronney just gave up. The lot of them were utter shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 When Hodgson was appointed, I thought we were in for a treat. We had a manager with international experience! He'd be the man to push the agenda for more English exports, and to ensure that the FA have the balls to fight the Premier League on its dominance of the English game. Sadly, none of this happened. Hodgson lacked a cutting edge, and it showed throughout each tournament offering. In many ways, they did everything expected of them. They qualified, and they bottled a tournament. Hodgson had too much faith in his players, and without a plan in place they were unable to do anything. Either way, the reign of Hodgson is over, and it's time to look forward. Sadly, Southgate is an even further step backward. The man lacks passion, a proven track record, and the tactical nous to handle a tournament at this level. It's trading one FA Yes Man for another. There's only one name in my mind that can bring some level of success to England, and that's Big Sam. Sure, the football will be shit, but: We'll have a forward thinking manager that is willing to use every trick in the book to get the most out of his players We'll have a manager that can perform miracles. He brought West Ham from the brink, he made Bolton a force, he kept Blackburn as a solid Premier League club, and he kept Sunderland up against all the odds. We'll have a manager that won't pick based on form or star power. He'll pick players that play his way. We'll have a manager that will bite a players ******* head off if they don't follow instructions Most importantly, we'll have a manager that can make a mediocre team better than the sum of their parts. He's done it for at least four other teams. He can do it a fifth time. I hope the FA see sense and give Big Sam at least some consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Based on what? In terms of win % he's got a better record than Bobby Robson, Kevin Keegan, Steve McClaren, Terry Venables & Graham Taylor - now I don't particularly think he's been brill for us but you say he's 100% the worst England manager ever - so what does that make the rest of the list? I am sorry but petty pointless wins against Estonia and San Marino dont wash with me. Tournament football is what it is all about and he failed, not once but twice and on both occasions they were embarassing failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 18 minutes ago, BA14 RED said: I am sorry but petty pointless wins against Estonia and San Marino dont wash with me. Tournament football is what it is all about and he failed, not once but twice and on both occasions they were embarassing failures. I agree - but I was challenging the view that he is "100% the worst England manager ever.." - don't forget in the Euros in 1988 we lost all three group games....and didn't qualify for other tournaments....eg World Cup 1974, 1978, 1994 and Euros in 2008... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 7 hours ago, simon uk said: Clearly that result last night was a disgrace, but the key problem is too many crap foreigners clogging up our top league. Hodgson has no charisma but at least it was young players he picked representing us, not gerrard lampard terry et al who would never win us anything. The fact it was iceland is galling but wd were never going to win it anyway, and it just saved us getting humbled 5 nil by someone half decent. Why? Ireland and Wales manage to field teams with a bit of passion despite having even less to pick from. its short sighted to blame just the premier league but I would like to see more English players in our top flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 4 hours ago, Super said: Does that matter? Surely it's all down to how well you do in major tournaments. So he's worse than managers that didn't even get us to qualify for tournaments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 14 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: So he's worse than managers that didn't even get us to qualify for tournaments? I'm saying I don't care about win rates. Winning ten out of ten in qualifying in a piss easy group counts for nothing when you flop in a major tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 16 hours ago, EnderMB said: When Hodgson was appointed, I thought we were in for a treat. We had a manager with international experience! He'd be the man to push the agenda for more English exports, and to ensure that the FA have the balls to fight the Premier League on its dominance of the English game. Sadly, none of this happened. Hodgson lacked a cutting edge, and it showed throughout each tournament offering. In many ways, they did everything expected of them. They qualified, and they bottled a tournament. Hodgson had too much faith in his players, and without a plan in place they were unable to do anything. Either way, the reign of Hodgson is over, and it's time to look forward. Sadly, Southgate is an even further step backward. The man lacks passion, a proven track record, and the tactical nous to handle a tournament at this level. It's trading one FA Yes Man for another. There's only one name in my mind that can bring some level of success to England, and that's Big Sam. Sure, the football will be shit, but: We'll have a forward thinking manager that is willing to use every trick in the book to get the most out of his players We'll have a manager that can perform miracles. He brought West Ham from the brink, he made Bolton a force, he kept Blackburn as a solid Premier League club, and he kept Sunderland up against all the odds. We'll have a manager that won't pick based on form or star power. He'll pick players that play his way. We'll have a manager that will bite a players ******* head off if they don't follow instructions Most importantly, we'll have a manager that can make a mediocre team better than the sum of their parts. He's done it for at least four other teams. He can do it a fifth time. I hope the FA see sense and give Big Sam at least some consideration. In total agreement. Top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 16 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I agree - but I was challenging the view that he is "100% the worst England manager ever.." - don't forget in the Euros in 1988 we lost all three group games....and didn't qualify for other tournaments....eg World Cup 1974, 1978, 1994 and Euros in 2008... It's not a like-for-like comparison, though. In 1988, we were in a group with the two eventual finalists, Holland and Russia. The Dutch were a decent team! And the manager of us then bookended 1988 with a WC quarter and a WC semi. For 1978, we were in a qualifying group of 4 (with Italy, Finland, Luxembourg) so little margin for error. We came second to Italy on goal difference. No mugs, Italy. Some of them won the WC four years on. For 1974, we were in a QG of 3 (with Poland and Wales). Again, one slip up and you stay at home. And Poland finished third in the 74 Finals. In 74 and 78, 16 countries qualified for the WC. In 2016, 24 make the Euro finals. Including countries with smaller populations than Bristol. In 94, Koeman should've been taking an early bath, not scoring from a free kick. Still, failing against Italy, Holland, Poland, no great shame. The thing with Hodgson seems to be a gradual decline the longer he was in the job. A few weeks in the job, he's knocked out by Italy. After four years under Roy's influence, we are sent home by Iceland. I'd put the Iceland defeat right up (or down) there with our worst, including the failures to qualify in the past. Coupled with the embarrassment in Brazil, I'd have Roy amongst our worst but that's in part due to him being tolerated for longer than Maclaren, Taylor and others, when really he should've been fired two years ago. Graham Taylor would've been as bad as Roy, given time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bend it like brian Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Alan shearers goal return is pretty decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GodEmperor Palpatine Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 09:36, simon uk said: Clearly that result last night was a disgrace, but the key problem is too many crap foreigners clogging up our top league. Hodgson has no charisma but at least it was young players he picked representing us, not gerrard lampard terry et al who would never win us anything. The fact it was iceland is galling but wd were never going to win it anyway, and it just saved us getting humbled 5 nil by someone half decent. Bit disrespectful to Iceland don't you think? They came out of a tough qualifying group with Holland, Czech Republic and Turkey. Agree with your point about picking the younger players though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yardy Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Without any doubt it's Hodgson in my lifetime, never have i seen a England team so clueless! Not got the time to write what he did wrong it's painfully obvious...... .....except for Hodgson himself !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted June 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 You can't really blame the influx of foreign players in the Premier League for our shitness. Virtually every one of the players in our (sorry, their - I don't want to be associated with them) team is a first choice at his club. It's not like we're picking players who sit on the bench at Man City (apart from maybe Sterling, who should never have made it to pro-level football anyway). I think a bigger problem is that not a single one of our players has ever played abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: You can't really blame the influx of foreign players in the Premier League for our shitness. Virtually every one of the players in our (sorry, their - I don't want to be associated with them) team is a first choice at his club. It's not like we're picking players who sit on the bench at Man City (apart from maybe Sterling, who should never have made it to pro-level football anyway). I think a bigger problem is that not a single one of our players has ever played abroad. ....... which is why I voted Brexit. In two years it will be only British players playing in our British league*. Uncle TFR * Source: Project Fear ............... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Worse England manager? Easy Sir Alf Ramsey, got our hopes up for the next 50 years!! Git!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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