Disgusting behaviour from Celtic supporters

[Kodjias Wrist]

9 minutes ago, sodburyred said:

Vile club. Didn't realise they were so bad until meeting a few on holiday who began openly singing pro Al Qaeda / IRA songs out of nowhere. Don't understand how they constantly do things like this without managing to prevent the same people doing it. 

That does not surprise me at all most scots i have met are ******* tossers. Their obsession with England is cringey!

[Miah Dennehy]

I was sat in the Jock Stein stand, but didn't see the dolls, it certainly is totally inappropriate , but I suspect that they are supposed to represent the fact that many Celtic fans believe Rangers are a 'dead' club (Not a view I share BTW).

Whatever the reason some ****** thought it would be funny/clever to hang these dolls up is pretty irrelevant, it just shows that some people have no sense of shame when it comes to 'supporting' their club, believe me have seen plenty of incidents (one on Saturday) from Rangers fans, that are equally/more disturbing than the hanging dolls.

I have been to countless Old Firm games (and Bristol derbies for that matter) where supporters embarrass themselves (and btw, I have seen far more trouble at Rovers/City games) but none of this behaviour makes Celtic or Rangers or Rovers or City a 'vile' club' it just means that some people act like ***** sometimes.

Anyway, I enjoyed the game , and if you look very closely at Dembeles hattrick goal, you will see me celebrating with gusto! I managed to make a dash across town for the Partick Thistle v St Johnstone, which wasn't quite as exciting.

Unfortunately I was taken ill at the airport and ended up in hospital in Paisley getting treated for kidney stones (**** me they hurt !), but still a great weekend. Hail. Hail to all the Celts on here!

[CotswoldRed]

Neither Celtic or Rangers fans have a grip on reality. It's a ****ing football match for God's sake. 

Big fish, tiny pond syndrome at its worst. 

Shamefully ignorant too, many of them. They lean on religion, the Irish etc. Never met one who has a scooby about any of it when pressed. 

[Guest]

 but none of this behaviour makes Celtic or Rangers or Rovers or City a 'vile' club' 

 

I assume that was aimed at me for calling them a vile club. Well my opinion is they are a vile club because they (as a club) seem to do nothing about any of their appalling behaviour and if anything they seem to rejoice in it. What would happen if this was done at the likes of Millwall?

The vile behaviour of groups like the Green Brigade has been rewarded with a standing area and a freedom to display pro terrorist and racist banner - is this true and if so what comment do you have on the matter Miah Dennehy?

[Cowshed]

This is type of thing is expected of Celtic. It is the type of thing which happens when fans including pro terrorists are allowed to display ... Anything. Hate this, hate that, stick it on a banner, dedicate entire sections of the ground to displays praising Bobby Sands, or insulting a team because they come from Israel. Latest display. They hung out the flag of war. No terrorist or anti British sentiment there at all of course. Vile club.

[Miah Dennehy]

26 minutes ago, wood_red said:

 but none of this behaviour makes Celtic or Rangers or Rovers or City a 'vile' club' 

 

I assume that was aimed at me for calling them a vile club. Well my opinion is they are a vile club because they (as a club) seem to do nothing about any of their appalling behaviour and if anything they seem to rejoice in it. What would happen if this was done at the likes of Millwall?

The vile behaviour of groups like the Green Brigade has been rewarded with a standing area and a freedom to display pro terrorist and racist banner - is this true and if so what comment do you have on the matter Miah Dennehy?

Personally I would prefer it if the Green Brigade did not come out with political statements  at every opportunity ( and I am not going to get into an argument on here what constitutes terrorism or racism), and actually Celtic has , as a club, taken steps when they do (even disbanding the singing section at one point). A lot of the Celtic banners hint at pro IRA stuff, but what on earth do you think the countless Rangers flag proclaiming 'loyal' and 'No surrender' were alluding to? The union flag I saw in Bridgeton on Saturday pulled no punches with UVF scrawled across it.

My background leads me to support Celtic, but for me as someone who loved football it was just that, and no different to a City supporting dad making sure his lad grew up a red. I or my family are/were not scum (BTW my dad served on the artic convoys from 1939 till the end of the war, and my granddad served with the British Army during WW1) just because I like Celtic (apart from me and my sisters, none of my dads family are around any more).

What I do know is that I never want to see an escalation of the hatred that led to the murder of Mark Scott in the mid 90s, that someone should be murdered for wearing a football scarf is truly appalling. I do worry that social media lends itself to keyboard warriorism and vitriolic outbursts that do not help the situation.

[Gakoe]

Wow. Words fail me.

Despicable, pathetic excuses for human beings doesn't even scratch the surface!

MD can I ask what you witnessed that was more disturbing than a public mock up of another persons suicide? 

[BS4 on Tour...]

This seems to cover the events in some detail:

https://anoutsideviewwordpresscom.wordpress.com/2016/09/12/the-snakes-have-surfaced/

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Personally I would prefer it if the Green Brigade did not come out with political statements  at every opportunity ( and I am not going to get into an argument on here what constitutes terrorism or racism), and actually Celtic has , as a club, taken steps when they do (even disbanding the singing section at one point). A lot of the Celtic banners hint at pro IRA stuff, but what on earth do you think the countless Rangers flag proclaiming 'loyal' and 'No surrender' were alluding to? The union flag I saw in Bridgeton on Saturday pulled no punches with UVF scrawled across it.

My background leads me to support Celtic, but for me as someone who loved football it was just that, and no different to a City supporting dad making sure his lad grew up a red. I or my family are/were not scum (BTW my dad served on the artic convoys from 1939 till the end of the war, and my granddad served with the British Army during WW1) just because I like Celtic (apart from me and my sisters, none of my dads family are around any more).

What I do know is that I never want to see an escalation of the hatred that led to the murder of Mark Scott in the mid 90s, that someone should be murdered for wearing a football scarf is truly appalling. I do worry that social media lends itself to keyboard warriorism and vitriolic outbursts that do not help the situation.

Fair enough reply and I get the "brought up to support xxxx". But what I do not understand is the clubs pathetic stance on it all.

What is the point of disbanding the singing section "once"? Disband them altogether. Don't let any banners with "hints" at pro IRA, or just ban every banner. It isn't exactly hard is it? Even if the club don't want to go that far it surely is easy enough to make an educated guess of what to take down etc.

It is easy enough to put a statement out for zero tolerance and if broken just ban the individuals for life who break that statement, simple enough to find out who has done what with all the CCTV around.

 

To me the biggest fault is at the clubs door who in my opinion seem to rejoice in all of it - that is why I think they are a vile club and until the club itself changes that will always be my feeling towards them. Let's get one thing straight - I do not hate every supporter who supports Celtic far from it.

[Acton Red]

Miah

A club is its fans and what they are prepared to tolerate. It is not up to the authorities. If Bristol City was inherently full of people who were racists, bigots, supported terrorism or whatever was over the line of what is morally acceptable,  I would not support them, or at least I would stop going,until it had sorted what kind of club it wanted to be. You cannot turn a blind eye to these things. You also cannot, in my view, say it is ok because it is a reaction to what another club does.  I want to be proud of the club I support and so should you.

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

Well this is obviously disgusting and abhorrent, but it's clearly connected to the belief Rangers are dead, rather than a tenuous link to the very sad passing of Kris Boyd's brother or Suicide Awareness Day.

Basically this game was always going to bring out the idiots from both sides, we could go tit for tat all day.. Although it's usually a bit one-sided on OTIB.

As horrible and needless as it is, if it's truly the worst thing some people have seen at a football ground then you have lived very sheltered lives.

Can only hope the people responsible for issues on both sides are found and educated.

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, ballwinningcentrehalf said:

Well this is obviously disgusting and abhorrent, but it's clearly connected to the belief Rangers are dead, rather than a tenuous link to the very sad passing of Kris Boyd's brother or Suicide Awareness Day.

Basically this game was always going to bring out the idiots from both sides, we could go tit for tat all day.. Although it's usually a bit one-sided on OTIB.

As horrible and needless as it is, if it's truly the worst thing some people have seen at a football ground then you have lived very sheltered lives.

Can only hope the people responsible for issues on both sides are found and educated.

Sheltered, maybe, if you were an oldie like myself.  

For the younger ones they've lived through a period where fans have learned to behave themselves for the most part.  I've taken the nipper to hundreds of games and he's seen nothing worse than an overpriced and undercooked pie

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

Sheltered, maybe, if you were an oldie like myself.  

For the younger ones they've lived through a period where fans have learned to behave themselves for the most part.  I've taken the nipper to hundreds of games and he's seen nothing worse than an overpriced and undercooked pie

You say that, and indeed the game now  (especially in England) is extraordinarily sanitised, but it could be argued that at the last Bristol derby game we saw our own fans invading the pitch, goading away fans that responded by ripping out and throwing back seats... 

I can only imagine the outcry if Celtic/Rangers fans dared to do similar. 

Nobody is perfect, but the pressure cooker atmosphere of a Glasgow Derby will make people do stupid things. As I said, I hope they can be educated on the stupidity of their actions.

[Gakoe]

Sheltered???

I refer to my earlier unanswered question;

What have you witnessed that is more disturbing than a public mock up of another persons suicide?

Please don't answer with mindless acts of violence. We've all seen that.

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

1 minute ago, Andy1970 said:

Sheltered???

I refer to my earlier unanswered question;

What have you witnessed that is more disturbing than a public mock up of another persons suicide?

Please don't answer with mindless acts of violence. We've all seen that.

I'm not going to debate that with you, as you'll see any of the things I list as trying to soften the horrible display on Saturday.

And it was horrible. The issue of suicide has affected my family directly and I know how heartbreaking it is. All I say is that it was quite obviously a very misguided and ignorant attempt at saying 'Rangers are dead', rather than anything to do directly with suicide. 

[Miah Dennehy]

2 hours ago, Andy1970 said:

Wow. Words fail me.

Despicable, pathetic excuses for human beings doesn't even scratch the surface!

MD can I ask what you witnessed that was more disturbing than a public mock up of another persons suicide? 

Well firstly, I don't think it was mocking a suicide, I think it was supposed to be a reference to Rangers being a 'dead' club, still in appallingly bad taste though.

In my opinion the big, hard Rangers fan outside the Turnstiles who threw, at close distance, a bottle of piss at a girl in a Celtic top is a low life**** , and that is worse than any 'joke', no matter how bad taste it was in.

Could I ask those that think pro IRA Celtic supporters are scum,  are they  any worse than pro UVF Rangers fans? Or are the UVF 'good' terrorists because they are on the Brits side?

TBH, I could not give a flying **** about it all, I want these games to be about football and passion, I would quite like to see a united Ireland, so I guess that makes me Republican, but do I think that it is worth ANYONE losing their life over it- no I don't.

Some may well say it is precisely the politics behind the fixture that gives it it's edge, but I think that is only because some fans on both sides have allowed it to become so. We are all aware how passionate a Bristol derby can be, and thankfully that is just inter city rivalry, with no political baggage.

Unfortunately many people are entrenched in their ideas, and have no intention of listening to the other side, you only have to read this forum to see utter crap written about Rovers fans, and a Rovers forum to see the same shite written about City fans. I think I may have said this several million times before, but some City fans are pricks, some Rovers fans are pricks, some Celtic fans are pricks, some Rangers fans are pricks. Who you support , no matter how big a part of your life it is, has no little bearing on how you act as a human being.

 

 

 

[Gakoe]

I didn't suggest that you were mocking it mate. I said "mock up" as in a reenactment. I don't believe it was simply a "Rangers are dead" statement though. Doubt that the Boyd family think that either. This was pre planned by the complete and utterly dregs of Scottish society. 

[Cowshed]

Rangers would not allow their supporters to dedicate a section of the stadium to a pro terrorist group and their displays. The Bobby Sands displays, the Ira sloganeering on banners, the pro Palestine displays, the anti poppy banners, the anti British display Saturday and on only occur because Celtic allow them to. The vile behaviour is understandable because it is inherently linked to the clubs approval.

[YorkshireSection]

On 11 September 2016 at 16:52, archie andrews said:

wouldn't like to be in their shoes...wont be that hard to find out names

I expect they'll not get done by the sfa or even the club itself.

what gets me is how they continuously get away with it, do they not have stewards or were the police just baton charging rangers fans for having Union Jacks in the ground.

Fill the ground with concrete on a Saturday, complete with the IRA........sorry I meant green brigade in it, SCUM.

[YorkshireSection]

2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Well firstly, I don't think it was mocking a suicide, I think it was supposed to be a reference to Rangers being a 'dead' club, still in appallingly bad taste though. UTTER RUBBISH & YOU KNOW IT, I THOUGHT BETTER OF YOU.

In my opinion the big, hard Rangers fan outside the Turnstiles who threw, at close distance, a bottle of piss at a girl in a Celtic top is a low life**** , and that is worse than any 'joke', no matter how bad taste it was in. BUT THE SCUM  THAT HUNG THE DOLLS WERE JUST MOCKING RANGERS DOWNFALL, BEEN WEIRD IF THE SCORE WAS REVERSED?

Could I ask those that think pro IRA Celtic supporters are scum,  are they  any worse than pro UVF Rangers fans? Or are the UVF 'good' terrorists because they are on the Brits side? THERES NO SUCH THING AS A GOOD TERRORIST BUT AS HISTORY GOES THE IRA FAR OUTWEIGH THE ATTROCITITIES CARRIED OUT THEY TRULLY ARE COWARDS. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIPOCRACY OF BEING ANTI DRUGS WHEN THE IRA FUNDED ARMS WITH DIRTY MONEY FROM THE IMPORTATION OF HEROIN YET THREATEN TO KNEECAP OR KILL ANYONE SELLING DRUGS WITHIN "Their" COMMUNITIES, EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE ESTATES EFFECTED SAY THEY HAVE THE MONOPOLY ON THE DRUGS MARKET IN REPUBLICAN BELFAST. PLUS THE UVF WERE FORMED AS A RETALIATION GROUP NOT THAT IT MATTERS AS THEY ARE STILL GUILTY.

TBH, I could not give a flying **** about it all, I want these games to be about football and passion, I would quite like to see a united Ireland, so I guess that makes me Republican, but do I think that it is worth ANYONE losing their life over it- no I don't. YOU WANT A UNITED IRELAND, YET YOU DONT WANT ANYONE LOSING THEIR LIVES OVER IT, TELL THAT TO THE INICICENT VICITIMS AND THE WIDOWS OF BRITISH ARMY

Some may well say it is precisely the politics behind the fixture that gives it it's edge, but I think that is only because some fans on both sides have allowed it to become so. We are all aware how passionate a Bristol derby can be, and thankfully that is just inter city rivalry, with no political baggage. 

Unfortunately many people are entrenched in their ideas, and have no intention of listening to the other side, you only have to read this forum to see utter crap written about Rovers fans, and a Rovers forum to see the same shite written about City fans. I think I may have said this several million times before, but some City fans are pricks, some Rovers fans are pricks, some Celtic fans are pricks, some Rangers fans are pricks. Who you support , no matter how big a part of your life it is, has no little bearing on how you act as a human being. AGREED BUT YOUD NOT SEE THE DEGREE OF PUNISHMENT HANDED OUT TO CELTIC BY STEWARDS, OFFICIALS, THE SFA, IN BRISTOL YOUD BE LOCKED UP FOR SUCH OFFENCES, WE GET BANS AND POLICE ESCORTS FROM BRISTOL THESE DAYS, ITS DISGUSTING.

 

NO HARD FEELINGS AND IM NOT GOING TO MAKE COMMENT BSCK AS IT JUST AS TO THE THREAD WHICH UNFORTUNATELY DOES KEEP GETTING MADE, IT SEEMS THAT THE GREEN BRIGADE ARE TOLERATED, IM NOT SURE IVE SEEN SUCH VULGARITY IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, THEY MAKE MILLWALL, CITY, SPURS, STOKE, UTD, WEST HAM LOOK LIKE ANGELS IN COMPARISON.

 

 

 

[shelts]

I can remember Rovers fans booing a minutes silence for our old chairman Des Williams and saying they did it because we did the same for Mickey Barrett.  City v Rovers and Holloway is manager and our own making reference to his deaf kids in the Atyeo. We are aren't Angels. On the other hand our support for Oscar. It's only a game. 

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Well firstly, I don't think it was mocking a suicide, I think it was supposed to be a reference to Rangers being a 'dead' club, still in appallingly bad taste though.

In my opinion the big, hard Rangers fan outside the Turnstiles who threw, at close distance, a bottle of piss at a girl in a Celtic top is a low life**** , and that is worse than any 'joke', no matter how bad taste it was in.

Could I ask those that think pro IRA Celtic supporters are scum,  are they  any worse than pro UVF Rangers fans? Or are the UVF 'good' terrorists because they are on the Brits side?

 

 

 

 

 

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Statistically certainly from the viewpoint of an Englishman living on the UK mainland UVF were of no threat whatsoever. Probably because they considered themselves British. Therefore it is quite natural to despise the IRA who bombed the shit out of the mainland for many years and to a great extent ignore the conduct of the UVF

http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html#statusperpetrator

 

 

 

[Miah Dennehy]

Yorkshire, I can put my hand on my heart and say I think the effigies were meant as a reference to the 'dead' club and nothing to do with anyone's suicide, still utterly tasteless though, as btw, are the effigies in Celtic shirts often seen atop bonfires in the July 'ahem' celebrations in many parts of Ulster, or indeed the hanging effigies Rangers fans made of their own directors a few short years ago!

As for 'you want a united Ireland but don't want anyone killed' well yeah, what I actually said was I would quite like Ireland to be united without any deaths, just to clarify, if there was a vote on it I would vote for unity, but I would lose as much sleep over losing that vote as I did after backing the losing side on the Brexit vote, which was none whatsoever, I don't really care, I just have a slight preference for it.

I love Celtic/Rangers games, there really is an electric atmosphere, and btw, I was at the 5-1 drubbing Rangers handed out a few years back at Ibrox sat in the Rangers end (and I promise you several of the Rangers support near me were pretty vociferous in their hatred for all things Irish and catholic, I would have objected, but I thought it was wise to keep my mouth shut :))

Anyway, sadly I think I will just have to agree to differ with a few on here, so lets get back to talking about the football.

Joey Barton claimed before the game that Scott Brown was 'not even in my league' Well Joey certainly got that one right

[BS4 on Tour...]

13 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I was at the 5-1 drubbing Rangers handed out a few years back at Ibrox sat in the Rangers end....

A few years back?! Wasn't that 16 or 17 years ago? Just after C*ltic had beaten the 'Gers 6-2?

[TV Tom]

1 hour ago, YorkshireSection said:

 

Yorkshire, history will tell you that the British army killed many, many more in Ireland than the. I.R.A. ever did but that is neither here or there, my suspicions are, unfortunately, is that there was something more sinister in Saturday's display than just mocking Ranger's demise

[Red-Robbo]

15 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Yorkshire, I can put my hand on my heart and say I think the effigies were meant as a reference to the 'dead' club and nothing to do with anyone's suicide, still utterly tasteless though, as btw, are the effigies in Celtic shirts often seen atop bonfires in the July 'ahem' celebrations in many parts of Ulster, or indeed the hanging effigies Rangers fans made of their own directors a few short years ago!

As for 'you want a united Ireland but don't want anyone killed' well yeah, what I actually said was I would quite like Ireland to be united without any deaths, just to clarify, if there was a vote on it I would vote for unity, but I would lose as much sleep over losing that vote as I did after backing the losing side on the Brexit vote, which was none whatsoever, I don't really care, I just have a slight preference for it.

I love Celtic/Rangers games, there really is an electric atmosphere, and btw, I was at the 5-1 drubbing Rangers handed out a few years back at Ibrox sat in the Rangers end (and I promise you several of the Rangers support near me were pretty vociferous in their hatred for all things Irish and catholic, I would have objected, but I thought it was wise to keep my mouth shut :))

Anyway, sadly I think I will just have to agree to differ with a few on here, so lets get back to talking about the football.

Joey Barton claimed before the game that Scott Brown was 'not even in my league' Well Joey certainly got that one right

I usually agree with you MD, but I think there's no way that the ******* who hung up those blow up dolls were unaware of Scott Boyd's suicide. It was all over the Scottish media. And Kris Boyd has been closely identified with Rangers and is something of a hero at Ibrox, although I know he's now at Killie. I can't think the timing was a coincidence, I'm afraid. I'm sure they'd be too thick to realise that it was also World suicide Prevention Day however!

As neither set of fans can behave themselves themselves clearly, it's time these fixtures were played without away fans. **** the atmosphere. It fuels hatred. Any offensive banners or intimidatory songs  would trigger an automatic points reduction. Eventually, the message that we are no longer living in the 17th century might filter down to central Scotland's football fans.

[CotswoldRed]

3 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Rangers would not allow their supporters to dedicate a section of the stadium to a pro terrorist group and their displays. The Bobby Sands displays, the Ira sloganeering on banners, the pro Palestine displays, the anti poppy banners, the anti British display Saturday and on only occur because Celtic allow them to. The vile behaviour is understandable because it is inherently linked to the clubs approval.

I hadn't seen that.  Although I'm sure the struggles of the average Glaswegian are comparable.  Empathy flows.

[Miah Dennehy]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

A few years back?! Wasn't that 16 or 17 years ago? Just after C*ltic had beaten the 'Gers 6-2?

It was that season, and thinking about it, it could well have been that long ago. At the time I had never been to Ibrox, and a season ticket holding mate up there had a spare next to him, and offered it to me on the grounds that I tried not to look like a catholic. I kept up the pretence, standing (but not cheering) as Rangers first 3 went in, but kept slumped firmly in my seat for the 4th and 5th, I think I was sussed out by that time, but even those around around me who had been singing some pretty unsavoury stuff, seemed more interested in the football, which is of course, exactly as it should be.

[Welcome To The Jungle]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

I usually agree with you MD, but I think there's no way that the ******* who hung up those blow up dolls were unaware of Scott Boyd's suicide. It was all over the Scottish media. And Kris Boyd has been closely identified with Rangers and is something of a hero at Ibrox, although I know he's now at Killie. I can't think the timing was a coincidence, I'm afraid. I'm sure they'd be too thick to realise that it was also World suicide Prevention Day however!

As neither set of fans can behave themselves themselves clearly, it's time these fixtures were played without away fans. **** the atmosphere. It fuels hatred. Any offensive banners or intimidatory songs  would trigger an automatic points reduction. Eventually, the message that we are no longer living in the 17th century might filter down to central Scotland's football fans.

I think it was probably planned before Scott Boyd took his own life with the intention of intimating the death of Rangers HOWEVER they almost certainly knew about Scott and still did it. Either way though it was disgusting.

And regarding the no away fans it works for Boca against River. I'd have it that every 5 years they allow away fans again and if there is misbehaviour then no away fans again.

[Miah Dennehy]

If I was in Barcelona tonight, I may be tempted to start singing 'Are we Rangers in disguise?'